swybs said:
I don't have to read all the posts but to say that I have been using drugs for 20 of my 32 years on this planet. I have travelled and lived in different areas outside the NY area, and I lived in 2 of what I consider meth hotspots (arizona and southern cali). Meth is fucked--plain and simple. So is crack. This board is filled with educated and experienced drug users--why is it so hard to believe that certain drugs harm users more than others.
The point, plain and simple, is that crack and meth are both drugs that are not easy to use "for special occasions" and thus are often drugs that cause the most harm, due to their inherent addictive qualities and binge-factor.
For the original thread starter, you are eloquent in your answers--but how can you disregard many a mofo's experience in seeing meth having ruined more lives than any other drugs these drug users have come into contact with.
Many times, the argument has been presented on whether or not one drug is more evil than another. Drugs aren't evil--drug users without sleep for multiple days tend to be, though. The proof is pudding clear--which means, there isn't one on a liberal board as this.
I'm not sure I understand your point, but I do know mine. Meth can be a very dangerous drug, ESPECIALLY for those using drugs to escape, since the majority of drug users (BL users somewhat excluded, since I firmly belive BL users are a unique segment of this society) DO use drugs to escape--and if you can escape for longer periods, well -- yea, you will. And a drug like meth as an escape hatch--fucked. Good luck trying to explain that to anyone.
swybs
35, huh? You're old enough to be my son...
OK, why in the fuck am I doing this?
Well, I've used various drugs for about 35 of my 52 years on this earth. And every time there is a drug which is wrapped in mystery, there has been those who wish to explore it. And if the mystery is full danger, it just makes the desire to explore it stronger.
There is nowhere that you will find a positive message about methamphetamine. Pretty much everything is basically, "it's bad, don't do it!" And what happens? The problem continues to build.
Tell me, how can that be since folks like you have such a clear message regarding it?
Your "Just say no" style message has been applied everywhere to the meth crisis, and has not only had no effect in curbing the devistating effects of the drug, but has seen the greatest increase of use probably in the whole history of the prohibitionists movement!
That is the net effect of your message. You haven't seen fit to even read mine.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Regarding the accusations that I am somehow doing this for egotistical reasons: what would I stand to gain? Answer me that.
paradoxcycle and I discussed the creation of these guidelines via PM. I told him that I didn't think that this should be done in public (for many reasons, some being personal), and that a group should be assembled in private to do it. I told him that I wanted a group because it was critical for a peer review of the information.
Does this sound like something someone looking for some kind of ego fix would want to do?
Some here have said that what is already available is fine, and that a set of guidelines is not needed. Where is this "fine?" Opinions are presented as facts, and when you ask someone to verify what they have asserted the responce is as if you've insulted their mothers. 8(
I've worked in medical science for most of my career. I have no need to show off, especially on a recreational drug forum.
Next week there is a kid somewhere who will try meth for the first time. All he is going to see are the negative marketing about the drug. His initial impression will be that it is fine, his friends will reinforce that notion. So he'll use it again. Pretty soon, he will be using it every day. And will progress to becoming one of those friends of your's who dropped out of school.
All of these horror stories and peopel are telling me that what is available is "enough" and is "fine?!!" It is an utter failure! And until people get the notion in their heads that long periods of abstance are needed in between use, they will use it regularly.
swybs, your message is nothing more than a challange. A challange which so many kids are taking, and being consumed by in the process.
Back in the early 80's when the AIDS problem was growing, Surgeon General C. Everett Koop announced a set of guidelines which utterly pissed off the Reagan administration. He said that if you can not abstain from having sexual relations, then to use a condom. The Reagan administration wanted him to push total abstinence. He knew that people would not do that, and offered the safest path that would keep the spread of the disease under control.
People are not going to stop using meth, telling them to not use it is paving the way for perhaps the single worst case of mass compulsive drug use in world history. Unless we take the mystery out of the drug, and offer a safe standard of use, it will just keep getting worse. And if my approach fails, I know for sure that if won't fail any worse than your's already is.
