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methamphetamine is EVIL

Chubba: so you would say that even though meth is rather addictive, there were outside factors that made you turn to meth more than just pure physical addiction? Like you were self-medicating with meth.
Moon Flower: MDMA has been shown to be much less neurotoxic than meth, especially with typical human use. MDMA does fuck with your seratonin though, so look into some good postloading recipes. I would still scale back my use if i were using every single weekend, though. If you feel you NEED to do some type of drug every weekend, you are already begining to become mentally addicted so I wouldn't start with a drug that will add a strong physical addiction. Have you tried something like LSD? Or some of the more stimulating RCs?
 
Chubba: so you would say that even though meth is rather addictive, there were outside factors that made you turn to meth more than just pure physical addiction? Like you were self-medicating with meth.
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Definetely not self-medicating, that would mean I was trying to fix something. Of course there are outside factors. NOONE would ever use drugs if there life was perfect, it's common sense. I won't live in denial though, even *IF* everything in my life stayed stable, I most definetely would of ended up addicted... just because I like it so much... just being in a bad situation accelerated it.
 
But what the hell is a perfect life anyway? I mean, it really is subjective. There are people who try drugs for other reasons than being dissatisfied with their lives. I mean, not all drug users are trying to escape reality. Some people do drugs to get a better picture of reality, because they realize that what we perceive as reality is nothing more than a contruct created by sensory stimuli. If reality were absolute how could any chemical change our perception of it?
 
alrighty its' time i put a stop to the misinformation.
Jan 18, 1887 Amphetamine was first synthesized by German chemist L. Edeleano and originally named phenylisopropylamine. It was then largely forgotten for the next 40 years.

and oh yeah, "it burns cuz it's evil!"
 
zx13xz said:
But what the hell is a perfect life anyway? I mean, it really is subjective. There are people who try drugs for other reasons than being dissatisfied with their lives. I mean, not all drug users are trying to escape reality. Some people do drugs to get a better picture of reality, because they realize that what we perceive as reality is nothing more than a contruct created by sensory stimuli. If reality were absolute how could any chemical change our perception of it?
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right, i think i do it cuz i have an addictive personality. that's not a good reason though.
 
speed!

well agreed it is "the evil of all substances", alas, it has some benificial and amazing properties, in that meth is a quick pep, taking any sleepyhead and doin a 180, like a lightningbolt, yep aint nuttin better than being able to recieve a motivational boost when so needed.
Like one said above, study aid, alertness aid, etc. and not to mention ultra sexual drive and lengthened sex all together. it had helped me to the greatest degree within the creative funk, and imaginative intuition. I have created many pieces of art and collage-type stuff, and not to forget the dozens of track samples ive made while on meth. I really like the fact that it helps in the means of elongated drinking, since i dont need much booze to get tipsy, I tend to get wheezy and sick-dizzy from what most people call a starter, so I had this habit of going to the bar while tweekn, or doing it somewhere down the line after a few beers.
The shitty thing I call a bad habit, is the need for cigs and the craving for one all the time when im spun. Any other time, even stoned, I crave no cig or I dont even nicc.
Tweak is bad cause it makes people irritable, twitchy, overstimulated sensory protocol (uncontrolled subconcious motor-skills) and tends to make people appear freakishly insane, but typically when they had been binging for like 3 days + w/no sleep
T'was made by a German chemist , was used by the Nazis to give a startling advantage with armed soldiers, and promote alertness and motivation.
Modern day use: alternative energy source for dancing, sex, alertness, inspiration, etc.
FunFact: This popular evil is made through the "whitetrash chemist" method, and it really silly how much of the time its a white redneck with a mullet that cooks it. (at least the lab busts that ive seen on tv were)
 
I've never been too wild about any speed in my 35 yrs of drug-ingesting. Never have liked that jittery feeling. I'll take a nice opiate anyday & of course my old stand-by, WEED. Pot is still my favorite high [outside of opiates] there is. Don't drink alcohol anymore, no more acid, never into speed...speaking of speed, where is RyanM? Anybody know? He hasn't been around & getting a little worried now.
 
there is no such thing as "Usefull Drugs" or "Evil Drugs" if you think a drug is usefull than that is an addictive personality. and how can drugs be evil??? no you got it the wrong way around... Addiction is evil.. and Nazis were brainwashed by Hitler into think that germans were a super race of people and that the USA and democracy was evil
 
i'm not even gonna comment on some of the things said in this thread. lots of clever insights, but outnumbered by ignorant non-sequiter remarks...

anyway, does anyone know if there is a correlation with amount and frequency of use to damage? for example, i know people who only tweak on the weekends but actually do more meth in the short period of time than others i know who have a daily habit. the weekend tweakers go thru ~3 grams each in a 3 day period while the weekly tweakers usually dont even do ~2 grams the entire week...
 
Researchers have reported that as much as 50 percent of the dopamine-producing cells in the brain can be damaged after prolonged exposure to relatively low levels of methamphetamine. Researchers also have found that serotonin-containing nerve cells may be damaged even more extensively. Whether this toxicity is related to the psychosis seen in some long-term methamphetamine abusers is still an open question.

New studies are revealing that meth abuse is far more harmful to the brain than originally thought. Over time, methamphetamine use causes a sharp decrease in the brain's ability to produce dopamine. This damage can lead to an actual loss of enjoyment of life.

A 2001 study suggested that methamphetamine also damages areas of the brain which control learning, memory, and movement. For this reason, meth is especially harmful to children as it severely impairs their ability to learn.
 
^--nice info! thanx red:D

it's so odd that meth is the worst drug for you...i feel like way more damage is done when i take things like E, acid, opium, etc. it seems like u can get around most of the harmful effects by maintaining proper sleep patterns and a balanced diet, but i guess not:(
 
some call it "The Devil" one specific RPG i own calls it "MoonSugar"(funny thing is that the actual item in the game that u would come across looks like a pile of opaquish white shards and even more so, if u are carrying the shit in a shop, they wont do biz witcha cause its {no shit} notoriously illicit. oh ya and it well um, ya temporarily boosts the characters 'speed' kinda too freakn close to be anything else id say. makes me wonder if them game dezynrs are methheads or what not....hehe
 
Beagle said:
eh, I used to be one of those people who defended meth and said it could be used in moderation. Well, I hate to say this, but bullshit. I sloooooowly but surely threw moderation out of the window like most people do. It took a long time but I did.

As far as how bad meth is for your brain/body compared to other things, I don't really know since I haven't done tons of research. All I know is I hated how meth made me begin to really not care about things.

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Amen!

I thought I was untouchable. I saw everyone in my tight little group crumble under the intensity of the drug while I remained intact and unaffected by the negative side effects. I defended meth and my usage by comparing my ability to moderate to those around me. Then...it all started to slip away. I became a daily user. I did it for so long that it wouldn't keep me awake anymore. I started to over sleep for my job nodding out on the couch with my glass pipe in one hand and my torch lighter in the other, not to wake up for hours. It got to the point that I couldn't function normally without it, yet I could barely function with it. Thousands of dollars and over a year and a half later having lost 2 jobs over it I had to admit to myself. As strong as I thought I was compaired to everyone else, it took hold of me too.

If there was one drug that can't be done in moderation I would have to say it was meth, IMHO.
 
mAgiC8baLL said:
^--nice info! thanx red:D

it's so odd that meth is the worst drug for you...i feel like way more damage is done when i take things like E, acid, opium, etc.
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i find that wierd to. ive never done meth but ive done amp and E and i would say the same thing too.
 
-=ReD-hAzE=- said:
Researchers have reported that as much as 50 percent of the dopamine-producing cells in the brain can be damaged after prolonged exposure to relatively low levels of methamphetamine. Researchers also have found that serotonin-containing nerve cells may be damaged even more extensively. Whether this toxicity is related to the psychosis seen in some long-term methamphetamine abusers is still an open question.

New studies are revealing that meth abuse is far more harmful to the brain than originally thought. Over time, methamphetamine use causes a sharp decrease in the brain's ability to produce dopamine. This damage can lead to an actual loss of enjoyment of life.

A 2001 study suggested that methamphetamine also damages areas of the brain which control learning, memory, and movement. For this reason, meth is especially harmful to children as it severely impairs their ability to learn.
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RedHaze - it'd be great if you could post links or studies on it. I'm really interested in the subject.
 
Most of the people on here are talking about weekly use as moderate...and in all these cases it seems to have lead/be leading to addiction.

What about say, once off for a party? Like one weekend. I can't imagine anyone doing weekend long binges EVERY week like chubba talked about, and considering that moderate usage.

In my mind, moderate is infrequent irregular use...like a few times a year maybe. Especially with a substance as notoriously addictive as meth.
 
thursday said:
ey, fuck you man. that's a very bold statement to be making on BL. let people make choices for themselves. they'll learn from the consequences, they don't need your close-minded judgement. my first experience with meth was definitely worthwhile and socially rewarding.
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i agree with thursday.
im surprized this came from you of all people, red haze. it may be YOUR truth, but it still comes off as very condescending :p :p :p considering the fact that you contribute A LOT to the meth theads and are in fact a user, i just dont like the way you come out *sounding* like a hypocrite.(am not saying you *are* ayt. BIG difference.) It just seems sort of a let down hearing such brash statements re: meth from you, of all people. Its like you're openly being self-deprecating, and for what reason? i dunno. Try to sound a little more tactful. What you say is as important as how you say it (yeah, even if this IS the internet. you know what i mean).
 
I would like to chime in here, and back up what Red Haze has said (sort of).

Young he may be, but you cannot argue with experience. How many people do you hear saying "Methamphetamine change my life, I am a better person for having used methamphetamine".......

LSD, MDMA, people actually say these drugs improved their lives. There are good and bad drugs, in my eyes.
 
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