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Methamphetamine in the UK/Europe V. Still Elusive

I've noticed the price for Methamphetamine via Dark web sources in Europe has dropped dramatically since I last checked about 4 years ago, I've never tried it but love speed (and heroin and mdma) am I right in thinking it's effects are somewhere between chasing the dragon and stimulation?

I recall seeing 0.5g for about £200 in 2012/13 when first flirting with the idea now it seems from the mainland it's gone down in price 90%?
 
£400 a g ?? Lol, ok I see what you mean. Crazy profit for the dealers!

Did you ever try any ?

edit. Sorry was reading on my phone can now see you haven't tried it.
 
cLaTTeReD said:
living in the Midlands I have never come across it before, Speaking to cloudie on here is my first real knowledge of someone using it. He says it's rather good and I would quite like to try.
with the amount he had and how long it lasted I would say it's scarily cheap in comparison to coke etc.
Though I have no idea what you would consider a rip off :)
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I remember it being £160/g some years back, which I considered a rip-off compared to the States. But, I actually didn't mind that as it really discouraged me from stupidity. It's cheaper than that now.

It's more than rather good, which is why I would not encourage you to try it lol!! And if you do, avoid smoking it. Take it orally or nasally. Smoking really kicks your ass with the need to compulsively re-dose, and you'll resist taking it any other way afterwards. Even for a control freak like myself. It's not like coke in this regards, and way too addictive.
 
CFC said:
I remember it being £160/g some years back, which I considered a rip-off compared to the States. But, I actually didn't mind that as it really discouraged me from stupidity. It's cheaper than that now.

It's more than rather good, which is why I would not encourage you to try it lol!! And if you do, avoid smoking it. Take it orally or nasally. Smoking really kicks your ass with the need to compulsively re-dose, and you'll resist taking it any other way afterwards. Even for a control freak like myself. It's not like coke in this regards, and way too addictive.
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Thanks for the reply mate, probably not a good idea for someone in my situation tbf, I joined this site as I had read Le Junks thread on cleaning up coke HCL. I should probably stick to that really, just that this forum has given me a few other ideas of stuff I would like to try. 8o
 
cLaTTeReD said:
Thanks for the reply mate, probably not a good idea for someone in my situation tbf, I joined this site as I had read Le Junks thread on cleaning up coke HCL. I should probably stick to that really, just that this forum has given me a few other ideas of stuff I would like to try. 8o
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Good plan. As nice as it may seem initially, it's something many struggle to handle recreationally. It's not easy to do the weekend thing either like with coke and some others. It's half-life is so long that you can't just take a bit in the evening and go to sleep later - you'll be wired all night and the next day, then you'll probably keep re-dosing throughout that day, and so on all weekend and be wrecked into the week. It soon starts to take over and sucks the joy out of life...
 
Yeah the long half life concerns me and is the reason I shouldn't do it, I've used lots of party drugs over time and never really had a problem with any of them, probably did do too much 4mmc when it was legal, but never been an addict as such.

have thought about trying a bit of freebase produced during the clean up process of the coke before its turned back into HCl though.
 
Meth is very common in the right circles. Broad pricing, you are looking at £40 for a quarter gram, £70 for a half-gram and £120 for a full gram. Mates rates will usually drop them down a bit and dealers paying considerably less. The price can often increase if the batch is made via the birch method or its a variety called pink champagne which is very popular.
 
Recently recieved a bit of a batch with huge crystals. Look like quartz really, youd probably be able to weight a half gram in 4 crystals. Does this indicate anything about purity and such?
 
It can definitely be quality if it looks like quartz, but the same way that coke gets cut up and pressed back into blocks, meth can be recrystallised with msm or isopropylbenzylamine or something that burns clean.

Clarity can be a sign of high purity and the crystal structure is another way to get an idea of the quality, but really, it's difficult to tell by appearance.
 
Crystal appearance means very little. Most of is it is cut and recrystalised but even so here the purity is usually 80%+.

Be careful with it especially smoking or iv. I think its probably the most addictive drug on the planet having seen whats happened here in oz and Thailand. It's subtle at first but before you know it twirling that pipe becomes the most important thing in your life. Buyer beware.
 
yeah i dont really plan to smoke (my technique is shit with any substance) or IV (i fear needles and wouldnt trust anything in my veins).
and it is a subtle drug. subtle and powerful and one must indeed tread very lightly.
 
People in the Uk are so new to Meth and it's hard to explain but a lot goes into using meth, if you're going to do it properly. I mean we need to think dextro/racemic, method, birch, anhydrous ammonia. The shape of the crystal and density can tell you a lot:
fine sharp vertical shards clear as day, perhaps a little damp -> Iranian
quartz-y, hard, clouded -> Classic Hong kong
sharp, fine, hard and transparent with tinges of yellow-y brown -> Annie, "Birch Method" strong, powerful rare
Then there's cleaning the products, doing the crackback, reading it like a tarot card.
Then the taste, the aftertaste. The method of smoking: how much to put in, butane or bic, take first smoke or not (don't), rolling the bowl, don't hold it in - it's not vapour, you need it to pass over capillaries, so blow it out through your nostrils or do a seesaw or use a blowback pipe. Cooling it down....I could write a book on this
 
Yeah, the different isomers are a significant factor in the potency. D-meth is a lot stronger than racemic-meth. I found the dextro a lot smoother, I'd feel more focused and it lasted longer. The racemic made me a bit jumpier, I'd feel my skin tingle. Like adderall and dexamphetamine, people seem to have a preference for one over the other.

I really hope it stays elusive over there. Europe and UK have had more alternatives; relatively cheap amphet, quality MD, coke and research chemicals. I guess there hasn't been as much demand for methamphetamine. In Australia, it just seems to be the default stim; speed is meth, ice is higher purity meth, coke is around, but still a bit of a novelty. MD is good, but people don't really go running their errands on it

...most people anyway.
 
Most people I know seem to prefer the kick from racemic. I hate it, too much PNS involvement. Sadly I think it is becoming more popular in the UK and spreading out from the gay community.
 
CFC said:
Most people I know seem to prefer the kick from racemic. I hate it, too much PNS involvement. Sadly I think it is becoming more popular in the UK and spreading out from the gay community.
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Most here generally prefer the d meth which is basically all we get. I disagree you can read so much from the crystals purely on the basis that most of it is going to be cut and recrystalised. Unless you are in Thailand , Cambodia or China getting uncut meth would be unusual. Same with reading the crack back. Nothing more than reading tea leaves.
 
consumer said:
Most here generally prefer the d meth which is basically all we get. I disagree you can read so much from the crystals purely on the basis that most of it is going to be cut and recrystalised. Unless you are in Thailand , Cambodia or China getting uncut meth would be unusual. Same with reading the crack back. Nothing more than reading tea leaves.
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True. I've seen powder or very fine crystal dismissed as being low-grade based on the appearance when it was actually very high purity. It's also possible for transparent shards to be rubbish.
 
I tried it this year and it felt extremely good. At the time I preferred it to Coke. It made me super horny too which is a worry as the sexual euphoria is easy to get addicted to. Not feeling like death after 30 minutes made it better than Coke for me. I couldn't believe that I could feel good for 24+ hours. I literally had no comedown and went to sleep the next night. I was lucky that I stopped smoking when I did, well we ran out. The urge to puff up is strong. I still remember how the first few puffs gave me hard erections. Now I've forgotten all about it. I probably won't seek it out because it's too damn good and I need to get to work. Once I considered it for the MDMA comedown, and using it to get tasks done before work. I thought about going to work high then I snapped myself out of it. For this reason I think I'll leave it alone.

I just came back from a trip to South America too. I have now forgotten about Meth and think Colombian Coke is better than Meth. I think I've had one of my best drug experiences on the Colombian Coke I had. I still dream about it. Makes you so horny as well. No nose bleeds either, even after 4 days on it. And you can sleep. ;) What a drug though, best to stay away almost, from both lol.
 
consumer said:
Crystal appearance means very little. Most of is it is cut and recrystalised but even so here the purity is usually 80%+.

Be careful with it especially smoking or iv. I think its probably the most addictive drug on the planet having seen whats happened here in oz and Thailand. It's subtle at first but before you know it twirling that pipe becomes the most important thing in your life. Buyer beware.
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So true! Apart from the erection, I didn't think much of it at first. I thought what is the fuss all abou? But then I had to keep having it. And I started getting these body tingles. And then I was so horny, really chatty, and just felt great. It definitely creeps up on you. It's amazing how clean you feel, especially after all the negative press you hear about it.
 
D-0meth is far superior to racemic, unfortunately, D-meth requires either entantioselective crystallization with a chiral aminoacid, or single isomer tartaric acid to selectively form salt of one isomer, then separation, or requires the hard to get in large quantities ephedrine.

Other synth routes to meth such as the knoevanagel condensation, then reduction and anything from P2P produces racemic product that needs chiral resolution. Dealers up to that? don't think so, plus they are all profit minded, quantity over quality is what those pricks want so why would they remove the laevo-meth? answer? they wouldn't, because then they have more, but crappier, meth to sell.
 
The stuff I got at the moment is absolutely banging though. Best I've had yet. Nothing has been able to sedate me enough to get any shut eye of any sort this weekend. The other stuff I've had prior (and quite a bit) I seem to remember being knocked out easily after a few benzos. Not this time it seems. I haven't used the benzo's enough to start needing a jump in dose, I'm sure.

I know this is good stuff, as I've actually had a few of those hand party sessions over the course of the weekend, which is unheard of for me. Ha!
 
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