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Stimulants Methamphetamine Hydrochloride

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JLJ4E

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Hello,

This is my first post, though I have read through these forums for a while. I have used the search engine, and looked throughout many threads and other websites (erowid, Big Trancer's amphetamine FAQ etc.), but still can not find the information I want.

I was initially under the impression that crystal methamphetamine was in it's freebase form, like cocaine as it's freebase, but after research, I am now unsure. I see conflicting information, some saying the salt is smoked, where others say it is the freebase that is smoked. What I wanted to know is if the methamphetamine 'crystals' are the hydrochloride salt, i.e. crystallised methamphetamine hydrochloride.

If the crystals are methamphetamine hydrochloride, is the meth powder still the hydrochloride salt that just has not been allowed to crystallize? Again, assuming the crystals are the hydrochloride salt, would I be right in assuming they are water soluble too, so you could chop up your meth crystals and rail them like powder, but knowing they are crystals, you would assume it would be a much more pure product, as it would be hard to cut with inactive ingredients like with the powder?

Sorry for the amount of questions, but I just thought this was the best place to ask them, after looking elsewhere for quite some time, thanks.
 
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It should be methamphetamine hcl because a lot of people report shooting meth with water alone.

I may be wrong that it is hcl, some people may produce base form, but I highly doubt it for some reason; this stems from also having looked over DEA Micrograms; I typically only see methamphetamine hcl in the micrograms.

Anyone else want to throw in a guess?
 
recrystalized methylamphetamine is a salt, typically the HCl salt, although other acids could be used. its not really relevant, because if its, for example, the sulfate salt, you just need a higher dose compared to the hcl salt for the same effects. freebase methylamphetamine is a very caustic oil and wont crystalize, iirc, and you wouldnt want to smoke it anyway. (other phenethylamine/alpha-methyl-phenethylamine freebases are caustic oils, so i'm assuming meth is the same)

'powder' is what you get when you dry a substance too quick. its basically a bunch of tiny, 'fluffy' crystals that didnt get a chance to grow, so its very disorganized, and thus scatters light very easily, making it opaque and giving it color. i'm not going to provide information about how to cut the stuff and still make it look pure, but there is at least one substance that can be crystalized with meth, where you can have gorgeous shards that are only, shit, 25% meth and 75% cut (i think the DEA has caught shipments which were that impure, though maybe it was 30/70).

but yeah either way, you can still snort or smoke it or shoot it or take it orally, it doesnt really matter...

i'm not sure i understand your question about it being water soluable. it depends on the cut. depending on what is used, you could use various solvents, like acetone and xylene, to 'wash' out the impurities, but it is entirely dependent on what exactly the cut is.
 
Welcome

Also, welcome to Bluelight! Go ahead and post a thread here if you want to.

And welcome to OD as well. It sounds like you've looked around here for a while, but if you need help finding anything don't mind asking one of us about it.

And, thank you Tathra for the input. What you've put forth sounds pretty reliable so I'm glad to hear that my assumptions were right that most meth out there is the hcl, or salt (not base) form.

Now that we've answered this question, do you think it would do best locked, or should we keep it open for anyone else with something helpful to add?
 
In reference to your question tathra. If the methamphetamine hcl is soluble in water, that would allow it to be insufflated, whereas if it was insoluble in water, it wouldn't absorb through the mucous membranes, thus being useless to snort...Thanks for your information though, very helpful.
 
JLJ4E said:
In reference to your question tathra. If the methamphetamine hcl is soluble in water, that would allow it to be insufflated, whereas if it was insoluble in water, it wouldn't absorb through the mucous membranes, thus being useless to snort...Thanks for your information though, very helpful.
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you CAN snort substances that arent water soluble, such as benzos and freebase cocaine, but the bioavailability is less and its much slower. but the fact remains that you can snort them without it being a total waste.

in all truth, snorting meth is the worst way to do it. oral/sublingual gives the longest duration and is actually quite good; smoking and shooting are excellent too because of the rush and euphoria; but snorting... it just burns a lot and doesnt work as well as other methods.
 
Oh really? I would have thought crushing the crystals up into a really fine powder then snorting it would work well, seeing as that is the most common way to take the amphetamine powder.

Seeing as I do not want to smoke it, and injecting isn't really an ROA I want to do, would you think that taking about half a point orally for the extended duration, then another half point intranasally for the 'rush' would be a good way of taking it? (Considering I do not particularly care about the burn of snorting it)
 
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meth powder

can anyone plz tell me if meth powder can be crystalized? and if so how? just i have some powder and want to smoke it, ive tried but it leaves residue and tastes awful, ive done alot of readin latly and am getting confused with all the different imformation, some say meth powder is like a salt consistensy where as some others say its a proper powder(which i have) plz could someone help me out?. thanks:)
 
A proper powder would mean that it's a salt IIRC (somebody correct me if I'm wrong!)

If you had freebase methamphetamine it would be an oily liquid and you would have a hard time smoking it.
 
search for recrystallization methods. if you've got powdery stuff that tastes like ass you're smoking a lot of cut. probably the MSM that the above poster didn't want to refer to (dunno why). a basic acetone wash and IPA re-x should be standard procedure. its very hard to get the msm out, even with a dual solvent re-x.

if you want to grow bigger crystals, you gotta slow and cool the evaporation. so, you can get a nice re-x using distilled water - mix the meth into as small a quantity of heated distilled water as possible, then put into the fridge and don't disturb it until the water evaporates. will take awhile, be patient. doing this you can learn to separate out the cut crystals. they will look like shards, but be soft and breaky. the good stuff will form smaller harder crystals on the edge of the container. but you'll never get all the crap out.

and don't do this stuff high. you tend to get comfortable with multiple highly volatile solvents and heat sources and they all look the same basically. you've got a fire hazard, weird smells, looks really suspicious if people come over.

i quit meth a little over 2yrs ago. best thing i ever did. no good will come of a meth addiction.
 
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