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Methamphetamine Discussion Thread 3.0

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hunter1 said:
I'll post a random meth musing.
Under my guise of try anything twice I did some meth with a mate 2 nights ago. My second time. Her first.
Prox 2.5-3 points between us. We were high for a good 6-8 hours.
I take Concerta daily so I'm somewhat versed in stimulant land. She not really at all. I was a little concerned by how much she enjoyed it. I was 'meh'. She was super chatty and I could see it in her eyes that she was quite taken. Allot of the usual 'nothing like the scare munger ing adds ect'. Very smooth, said she felt like she was 20 again. She's 50 and only done MDMA a few times in terms of Stims. Never done coke.
Anyway, 2-3 days later and neither of is have slept still and my concern has pretty much gone now.
I enjoyed it... Sorta but that's my twice now. Cost vs benifit with this drug has just confirmed the conclusion I knew I'd end up making.
Scary thought that this drug is the first drug after alchohol a teen-adult will take.
We are both well adjusted to not sleeping and have benzos and opiates in abundance so should an anxiety attack ect happened we could deal with it. Worries me with youngsters because most will not have such access and could have a horrible horrible experience.



I can see why people may love this stuff and if they can control their usage and not end up a street zombie then I have no issue with them. Won't be bothering myself again though
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Wait till you build a tolerance, and it doesn't take long especially if you are using concerta. I'm going through 17 in 2 days and I eat and sleep in fact I'm putting weight on for the first time in 20 years.
 
so i'm wondering right
i noticed in aus it seems like people buy really small quantities of methamphetamine at once due to cost, but it also seems like people use far less at a time.
is this due to cost, or because the gear is better quality?
Cause from what I've heard, a lot of people buy single points, and some dealers even sell half points..but all the methamphetamine I've ever tried here in the US, I would smoke (or IV, the last few times I used it)between .1-.15 at a time depending on quality and whatnot, and I'd get anywhere from obscenely ridiculously high to a decent but not too intense or overwhelming high...and the people I've asked here int eh US about how much to do told me that .1-.2 is good if you're not strung the fuck out as long as its not shit speed....
and on that new ice rush shit, they booked that guy with "20 points" and said that was a dealer quantity and Iwas like wat 2g is a dealer quantity over there..
thats why I ask, I just watched that shit and I'm amazed that the police seriously said 2 grams was an amount for sales.
 
I cant exactly recall the bit you speak of right now, but I did see it. There is a site (a .edu i think) that has all the drugs and amounts for various categories for being busted with, ill try find it sometime, i think i bookmarked it on my other comp.

the 2 gram is prob where it kicks over to being a dealer i guess.
 
nah see what i'm asking is
in australia
is just 2 GRAMS considered possession with intent to distribute (what its called in the US, ya know. except more than 2 grams lolol)
or just possession
dude on documentary, they confiscated "20 points from him" (in one bag...not even individually wrapped) and then claimed that that quantity is consistent with low level dealing and is excessive for just personal use
here this is the section i'm talking about
idk if you can embed in here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ-JO6bWD5Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=878
it should be set to start at the proper time, but start at 15:25 and they'll show a pic of like an iphone and a bag of meth containing "20 points" and say that it is a common seizure right nwo for the local dealers in what sounds like bumfuck, victoria

and they claim in that that dealers are mixing heroin in with it to cause addiction. this is also untrue correct?
cause shit, unless you made the speed 50% speed 50% heroin people doing just points aren't going to get addicted even with everyday use.
unless they have some superheroin that I never saw in my 3 years of heroin addiction here in the US.
 
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Yes I am pretty sure most of us would think the heroin part is bullshit. Here's the law for Vic. note the 2 grams trafficable quantity for speed.

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Supply and Trafficking

Police can charge you for trafficking drugs including:

Preparing a drug of dependence for sale, for instance by drying cannabis or packaging heroin for distribution);
Manufacturing or making a drug of dependence; or
Selling, exchanging, agreeing to sell, offering for sale, or possessing for sale, a drug of dependence.
The kinds of things police look for to prove a person is trafficking include:

Direct evidence;

Possession of large quantities of a drug;
Admissions by the person who has the drugs.
Quantity

If you have a large amount of drugs on you or at your place, the police will probably think that you were not going to use all the drugs yourself, and that you must have been planning to sell them to other people.

If your drugs are over a certain weight (even if you say that they were for your personal use), then the court will presume that you were supplying unless you can prove otherwise. This is called a ‘trafficable quantity’.

Here are some trafficable quantities:

Cannabis - 250 grams or 10 plants (includes fresh or dried parts of plants);
Opium plants - 100 grams;
Coca plant - 800 grams;
THC (ie hashish or hashish oil) - 25 grams.
Cocaine - 2 grams;
Heroin - 2 grams;
Speed - 2 grams.

So if you have these amounts or MORE, it will be assumed that you are guilty of the more serious crime of “drug trafficking”. It is then up to you to prove to the court that you were not intending to ‘supply’ the drugs (i.e. that they were for your personal use), or you obtained the drugs by medical prescription.

The penalty for drug trafficking can include a maximum of 15 years in jail and a $15,000 fine per offence.


Trafficking to a minor (below 18) carries penalty of up to a fine of $250,000 and 20 years imprisonment.

Commercial Quantities

Basically, the more drugs the police find, the more trouble you could be in. Higher penalties apply for trafficking ‘large commercial quantities’ of drugs.

Some commercial quantities:

Cannabis - 100 kilograms;
Hashish - 50 kilograms;
Cocaine - 2 kilograms (pure);
Heroin - 1.5 kilograms (pure).

The penalty for trafficking a commercial quantity is up to 25 years to life in jail.



Last updated 12th January 2010

- See more at: http://www.lawstuff.org.au/vic_law/topics/drugs/article6#sthash.HwBvVrEE.dpuf
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Does that answer what you are asking?
 
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yeah.
Wow though.
I wonder how aus methheads compare to US methheads, cause it sounds like you cant possibly come close to doing as much in aus as from what I understand people commonly use out west.
 
I was addicted to meth in 2012, and I used from morning until sunset until I drank myself to sleep every couple of days. I seemed to manage that just fine. I just started using it again and every single time I do I find myself taking 7mg of klonapin in a matter of hours because of the panic and anxiety. I feel good at time, or when I take my first hit, then it's kind of like I'm coming down just a few minutes later. It's good shit, I assure you, I just can't get the hight I want. Does anyone else have panic attacks with meth use? Is there anything that helps? Anything I can take besides all of my klonapin, that I can't afford to abuse.
 
I was going to ask a similar question about panic attacks/manic behaviour, yet not while on stimulants, but while abstaining. I use d-amphet(bi-weekly-monthly)/meth(occasional(6months), and while on breaks or if im off all stims for ages in between my moods go up and down like a yo-yo, yet i have very good defence mechanisms ( meditation,exercise,balanced diet,no meds) now over yrs of struggling to cope, so as to mimise harm to friends/family.

It seems without the infrequent use of high dose amphets, my moods dont stabalise. Ive had spells of over a year and a half without and amphets and life strank to high heaven dealing with this monkey on my back, like an alter ego ready to inflict pain and savagery on this god forsaken piece of rock we call earth. It quells the savage beast, and calms the adrenaline junkie in me.
 
Anxiety or panic attacks are extremely common and I myself go through periods where I find it hard to use without ending up losing my mind worrying about something that's never going to happen.

I used to have easy access to benzos (mainly clonazepam and xanax) and got a massive habit because I could use meth endlessly without wigging out. Then the pills dried up and method anxiety became a nightmare.

Don't mix benzos and method unless you have to and if you haveto cconstantly find a new drug to meth!
 
Ohh! My partner found my pipe yesterday arvo :-( It was so embarrassing and degrading I felt so terrible. I smashed it and he didn't say a lot after that but it was not at all good :-(
 
thanks for your thoughts ketaman, I know the pain of the pipe rearing its flashy exterior at times not permitted. The guilt is the hardest thing to hide. I feel like diving into into the deep end with meth and then abstaining for MANY years, leaves you with a undying yearning to get on again, until the unrelenting mania(which is mostly euphoric and enjoyable until the ape-like rage persists) forces you into use because finding sanity inside insanity is hard at times.
 
smokedup said:
it would probably be considered the 'best' drug if the high ceased abruptly 3 hours later, and there was no drawn out comedown and duration.

at the 3 hour mark this is where you realise you've made a date with the devil, and hes comin' a knockin. Almost all the fun is being sapped from your very brain and the curtains are closing on what was a wonderful show. You plead for an 'encore', to no aveil. funds dont permit. The rollercoaster ride starts yet there is no happy ending to this david/goliath battle of wits, instinct, impulse and lust.
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Hell yeah I know EXACTLY how that shit is..
 
Looking for suggestions to tackle the negatives of meth use.

1. Possible paranoia, drug-induced psychosis: Do anti-psychotics help?

2. Bad breath: I've read that amphetamines constrict the blood vessels in your mouth, cutting off your mouth's ability to naturally clean itself with saliva. When I've used any amphetamine in the past, I've always had rancid breath.

3. Anything else to just take the edge off? I like the first day or two, but everything after that is downhill.
 
mouth wash for the bad breath lol

benzo-dimazapan/zanex for when ya ready to shut up shop

if the paranoia gets to bad have a break but even when after ya break it onlys takes a couple of big sessions then the paranoia comes back
 
h3o said:
2. Bad breath: I've read that amphetamines constrict the blood vessels in your mouth, cutting off your mouth's ability to naturally clean itself with saliva. When I've used any amphetamine in the past, I've always had rancid breath.
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Nicotine makes it worse so try and cut back/quit smoking if you do.
Chew sugarfree gum.
Drink plenty of water.
You can buy this saliva stimulating liquid stuff from the chemist that you spray in your mouth. Might be wroth a go.

3. Anything else to just take the edge off? I like the first day or two, but everything after that is downhill.
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Staying hydrated and eating makes a huge difference. There's not really any silver bullet, opiates near the end and smoking cones when it's over always helped me - but heaps of people don't do well with that combination.

1. Possible paranoia, drug-induced psychosis: Do anti-psychotics help?
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They're like an off switch. If you want to get knocked into a comatose state and sleep for a long time they could help with that.
 
Don't chew sugar free gum. That's a fucking dumb idea for people on meth. Sugar free gum has aspartame in it which isbhighly carcinogenic. Meth binge = packets of sugar free gum end on end will kill you quicker than a meth addiction will. Just remember to drink plenty of water, so t at properly hydrated and don't binge for days on end. I was addicted to meth, got off it and can manage to enjoy it every now and then. Yeah its hard but just remember that methionine everything.
 
so is sugar free gun (extra) ok in moderation? You just mean because people on meth may go through lots of it that it can be dangerous? I only ask because I do use some extra every now and then, but I dont use meth, so I dont go thru that much gum really.
 
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