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I think the pic was from this bust -

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/l...vdi5hdSUyRm1lZGlhJTJGNDEzOTUuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ==

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After speaking to the driver, police conducted a search of the vehicle where they allegedly located nearly 1kg of amphetamines and almost half a kilo of methylamphetamines (Ice).

So that orange shit is probably the 1kg of amphetamines? Which we would call base/ox blood or whatever? Yeah?
 
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I have been using meth for the last few weeks or so small doses in the morning stuff like that have been eating sleeping ecsep some weekends I get rally messt up and stay up all weekend just to have some fun drinking lots of water and Gatorade but 2 nights ago I started getting little red dots on my feet it from my feet sweating in from the meth cuz the sometims sweat bad or am I just freking out about nothing
 
I have been using meth for the last few weeks or so small doses in the morning stuff like that have been eating sleeping ecsep some weekends I get rally messt up and stay up all weekend just to have some fun drinking lots of water and Gatorade but 2 nights ago I started getting little red dots on my feet it from my feet sweating in from the meth cuz the sometims sweat bad or am I just freking out about nothing

Could be anything.

Are they itchy?

I would say go to the Doctor if they get worse or last longer than a couple weeks.
 
Hi everyone. I'm curious about ways to try do meth. I'm gonna be going on another vacation soon to Cambodia. On my last one I ended up binging on meth for almost four months straight. Had the time of my life. Back then I didn't know how to properly use my gear. After buying an overpriced bag of some quality shards I went back to my $7 a night room then chopped up and snorted a tiny line. After four months though I was semi pro at snorting and smoking meth. I was a little crazy by then too. This time I want my first time doing meth again to be PERFECT! Since it'll be more than a year since I've had any my tolerance will be back down to square one. What should I do?

I'm thinking I'll start out by snorting a fat line up my left nostril. I always feel like I get a better effect from using my left nostril. Anyways, after I snort my first line I'm gonna have a cigarette while I play on the computer for the next 15- 20 minutes and wait for the full effect to kick in. After 15-20 minutes go by and I'm feeling the euphoria I'm gonna pick up my glass piece and take 3-5 huge hits before spending the next 14 hours on porn sites. What do you guys think? Does this sound optimal for achieving the best high for someone who hasn't gotten spun in a long time?
 
People say up ya pooper is pretty good.

I really fucked my nostril over snorting speed and mdxx over a prolonged period of my youth, that and being smashed in the face a few times, who knows which ones done the damage. Maybe a bit of both.
 
I too am off to Cambodia in about 2 weeks time, though I'm not too keen on even considering "hard" drugs in such a country as I'd very much like to return home some time in the next 20 years o.O

Not on the topic of meth, but I'm really hoping to get hold of some good mushrooms and explore temple ruins/jungle. Would be wicked :D
 
Lucky dudes. I wouldnt touch harder drugs over in Asian places either personally.
 
Discretion is key. Cambodia is alright. Thailand not so much. The only people that get caught in Cambodia are the ones who flaunt their habit. Try to find a good dealer and stick with him. At first just buy it from the tuk-tuk drivers. If you're scared of getting caught establish a relationship with a tuk-tuk driver first. Feel him out. Another good tip is to keep an extra $100 on you so that if in the unlikely chance that you do get caught you'll be able to bribe your way out of it. Most police in Cambodia are just looking for a bribe anyway. Beware of crackdowns. Make sure you're in the know so that if there's a crackdown going on you'll already have a heads up. You're not risking that much unless you're actually dealing the drugs in Cambodia or if you're stupid enough to try hopping on a plane with a bunch of drugs hidden on you.
 
Hello, I have a simple question regarding methamphetamine - should I try it? I've done amphetamine, MDMA, mephedrone, methylphenidate, cocaine and crack cocaine and never had problems with any of them. I have experienced addiction, but it was heroin that bought me to my knees (even though every heroin dealer I went to invariably also had crack, regular use never appealed to me, even when my supply was basically unlimited), but I'm now on day 28 and definitely am out of the woods physically and psychologically. I was planning on trying it around Christmas time, my only source is very far away and a huge inconvenience to get too, so my supply will be somewhat limited. but I thought I should seek advice first as I never heeded anyone's warnings about heroin - that finding a true long term chipper is like finding a fuckin unicorn - so I thought I should be less arrogant first and do some research. Is it easier to use methamphetamine on a purely recreational basis than it is heroin? Any advice would be much appreciated.
 
^ Nice post bro! Personally I found the appeal far greater than heroin. I knew what I was getting into but I just had to kill the curiosity.

First time I tried it was 2007 in Phnom Penh .... I wasn't worried about addiction as I was on holiday and it wasn't available at home.

When I got back from holiday I had dreams about it up to one year later.

I have been using it last 5 years every 3 or so months with no problems ... how?

By not smoking it ... seriously insuffulation halves the abuse potential ... it's amazing what a different type of beast it is when smoking.

I would say try it but if you choose to smoke it the risk is far greater.
 
By not smoking it ... seriously insuffulation halves the abuse potential ...

I started out snorting it and you're right about that. Before I started smoking it I could leave a few pts sitting in the back of my desk for a week or two until the next big weekend, maybe dipping into it occasionally for a quick bump before work. For a good year or so I did this and never had an issue with it. But it was smoking for the first few times that I really got (or got into) the drug, in the sense of smoking till my stash was gone once I got started (then texting for more), buying some during the week for the weekend then having to buy more on friday night because I'd smoked it all already, staying up all night smoking even when I had no one over or wasn't going out, pipes in the bathroom at work, calling in sick on monday to sleep off the comedown, that kind of crap.

Although I had the dubious luck of developing some serious anxiety as a result of overdoing it one too many times (I'd always drink when I smoked, except at work, and because I was drunk I'd smoke more than normal, then the booze would run out and wear off and I'd have a shitload of shard in my system and my heartrate would skyrocket and freak me out - kinda like a really ghetto reverse speedball, ODing on the upper instead of the downer) which stopped me from continuing till I hit the full blown tweaker stage. But by then I was already shifting my attention to oxys/morphine/H/fent, so I didn't really care too much, I just stopped going out partying and started having my fun nodding off indoors - and that story ended the way it usually does (3 years on suboxone this month, 10 months without shooting up opiates, finally started tapering off the subs, which is oh so fun).

Point being, leave the smoking (and definitely the injecting) alone and yeah, you'll handle your meth use a lot easier. But it's every bit as seductive and addictive as heroin, and far harder on the body and the mind, and if you snort enough you'll eventually find yourself making excuses to try stronger ROA's. It's no different than heroin in that respect - that thing they say about chippers being as rare as unicorns is just as true as that other thing they say about everyone eventually ending up stepping up to a harder and more addictive ROA, if you've been around enough opiate users, I'm sure you've watched someone go through the process and listened as they say ''yeah I'll just try it this once - just do it on weekends - just snort/smoke it - just every 3rd day - just shoot up this once - just shoot up occasionally - oh shit I'm a junkie, what do I do." Exact same process happens to people with meth. If you're only 28 days clean from H, then using meth is just begging for trouble. Sounds to me like you're subconsciously looking for a replacement. You just got off the H, do you really want to do another round on that rollercoaster with another drug? At least wait a year or two, meth isn't going to dissapear off the face of the planet, if you still want to try it when you're in a more stable place, do it then.
 
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Yeah, I have a similar story in some ways I used to use speed/base a fair bit at raves, like once a month, maybe fortnight, maybe weekly sometimes for over a decade, we'd sometimes get 1/4, 1/2 or full ounces of it and divide it amongst a few mates so we had a fair bit and could flog some to make our money back and maybe a little profit, anyway I always bombed it or racked it, i do recall people having snow cones but I never did it and we didnt ever see crystal so smoking it wasnt common and injecting wasnt something i wanted to try but some of my old mates did. I never formed a massive addiction, like said above I could keep relatively small amounts at home and not use it for weeks until the next rave or house party or club.

Around the yr 2000 I had pretty much stopped going to raves and clubs and also pretty much stopped using speed and E's and I noticed the powder speed was becoming rare and my mates were getting shards which they were smoking, and smoking alot, i kept being offered it but kept refusing, a few yrs later I left and moved away but kept hearing some pretty bad stories about some of them doing some horrible shit that they had never done whilst we used pills and speed, things like robbing people and scamming friends and friends of friends for large amounts and not repaying them, losing jobs and gf's and places they lived in etc etc.

I mentioned in one of these threads a while back that I thought the smoking and injecting part was a big part of the the addictiveness to ice but someone went nuts and said it's all the same, its the same drug and you can become an addict using it any type of way. I just look back at my back ground and my friends and how we didnt really become full on addicts and be bad people but some of the ones who moved on and couldnt stop puffing the pipe and injecting it really did some damage to their relationships and personal integrity imo.
 
I started out snorting it and you're right about that. Before I started smoking it I could leave a few pts sitting in the back of my desk for a week or two until the next big weekend, maybe dipping into it occasionally for a quick bump before work. For a good year or so I did this and never had an issue with it. But it was smoking for the first few times that I really got (or got into) the drug, in the sense of smoking till my stash was gone once I got started (then texting for more), buying some during the week for the weekend then having to buy more on friday night because I'd smoked it all already, staying up all night smoking even when I had no one over or wasn't going out, pipes in the bathroom at work, calling in sick on monday to sleep off the comedown, that kind of crap.

Although I had the dubious luck of developing some serious anxiety as a result of overdoing it one too many times (I'd always drink when I smoked, except at work, and because I was drunk I'd smoke more than normal, then the booze would run out and wear off and I'd have a shitload of shard in my system and my heartrate would skyrocket and freak me out - kinda like a really ghetto reverse speedball, ODing on the upper instead of the downer) which stopped me from continuing till I hit the full blown tweaker stage. But by then I was already shifting my attention to oxys/morphine/H/fent, so I didn't really care too much, I just stopped going out partying and started having my fun nodding off indoors - and that story ended the way it usually does (3 years on suboxone this month, 10 months without shooting up opiates, finally started tapering off the subs, which is oh so fun).

Point being, leave the smoking (and definitely the injecting) alone and yeah, you'll handle your meth use a lot easier. But it's every bit as seductive and addictive as heroin, and far harder on the body and the mind, and if you snort enough you'll eventually find yourself making excuses to try stronger ROA's. It's no different than heroin in that respect - that thing they say about chippers being as rare as unicorns is just as true as that other thing they say about everyone eventually ending up stepping up to a harder and more addictive ROA, if you've been around enough opiate users, I'm sure you've watched someone go through the process and listened as they say ''yeah I'll just try it this once - just do it on weekends - just snort/smoke it - just every 3rd day - just shoot up this once - just shoot up occasionally - oh shit I'm a junkie, what do I do." Exact same process happens to people with meth. If you're only 28 days clean from H, then using meth is just begging for trouble. Sounds to me like you're subconsciously looking for a replacement. You just got off the H, do you really want to do another round on that rollercoaster with another drug? At least wait a year or two, meth isn't going to dissapear off the face of the planet, if you still want to try it when you're in a more stable place, do it then.

Fantastic post, thank you very much for the advice, I will heed it. I think waiting at least a year is probably the best idea, and yeah I guess a part of me is looking for a replacement. I'm not even allowing myself to smoke weed or even drink as I don't want anything to jeopardize me recovering from heroin, and I think some killer stimulant comedown will probably give my brain the perfect excuse it needs to go out and score some heroin, especially if my judgement is thrown from the meth anyway. I think for now I'll leave it well alone.

This is all by the by, but I actually went from smoking #3 heroin to injecting then back to smoking, since bad injection technique ruined all my veins within <2 weeks and it got too frustrating trying to find one when I was getting sick. I'll never forget that I.V. rush though, and I still was trying to find veins all of the time. I just thank my lucky stars every clean day that I had the moment of clarity when I did, about a month after I started injecting, otherwise God only knows how much of a mess I'd be in now. I really don't want to trade one addiction for another, so I agree with you that waiting a year or so before trying meth is the best idea. I'm still curious though as to whether meth's addiction potential really is quite as high as it is for heroin? As in practically impossible to maintain at a recreational level? For the record, I was planning on oral use - I like to come up and down slowly and have a longer high when it comes to stimulants, plus as we all know the stronger the rush the stronger the pull and the higher the chance of addiction.
 
Fantastic post, thank you very much for the advice, I will heed it. I think waiting at least a year is probably the best idea, and yeah I guess a part of me is looking for a replacement. I'm not even allowing myself to smoke weed or even drink as I don't want anything to jeopardize me recovering from heroin, and I think some killer stimulant comedown will probably give my brain the perfect excuse it needs to go out and score some heroin, especially if my judgement is thrown from the meth anyway. I think for now I'll leave it well alone.

Yeah thats a good call man, too many people hop from one addiction to the other, decade after decade, or cycle between them, and end up going nowhere in life. Hell I've done a bit of that myself and only really cut it off in the last month or two because I hit my 25th and decided that if I didn't draw the line there, I'd be going till 30, and by then I'd write myself off and be a lifer. Now I'm in the middle of my 20's and in the same place in life as I was at 17 when I first started this whole lifestyle, but at least I'm moving forward.

And you're 100% right about how shitty the meth comedown is and how much it makes you crave opiates (or you end up popping benzos or drinking yourself into oblivion and just form an addiction to those, neither of which is especially healthy).


This is all by the by, but I actually went from smoking #3 heroin to injecting then back to smoking, since bad injection technique ruined all my veins within <2 weeks and it got too frustrating trying to find one when I was getting sick. I'll never forget that I.V. rush though, and I still was trying to find veins all of the time. I just thank my lucky stars every clean day that I had the moment of clarity when I did, about a month after I started injecting, otherwise God only knows how much of a mess I'd be in now. I really don't want to trade one addiction for another, so I agree with you that waiting a year or so before trying meth is the best idea.

Haha, I can sympathize with you on the vein issue (well, it sounds like yours are even worse than mine, which is rare), I have tiny, deep veins and the crook of my elbow is the only place I can hit reliably, even after years of practice and refining my technique - hydration, pushups, tying off properly, etc. (I can hit on my forearm or wrist maybe 1 time in 10, but usually I just end up with a missed shot and a big lump). I did my best to rotate between the various veins in my elbow, but they're still in awful shape after 3 & 1/2 years of IVing. After my second to last binge (ketamine and MXE) I had to get a blood test, and even drinking a ton of water over the hours beforehand and all the rest, they ended up having to use a few tiny little veins in my upper arm to get enough blood. The veins seem to bounce back after a few weeks (which is why it was my second to last binge, and not my last) except for the big, central one on my right arm (left hander, so whenever I was feeling lazy that was my go-to injection site, which means I trashed it in the first year). You probably lucked out in the long run, I turned to needles purely out of necessity (tolerance), but even I ended up a bit fixated on them, trashed a bunch of veins and probably have some crap floating around in my body that I shouldn't, despite my careful filtration.

Moments of clarity are good for getting you sober, but willpower, smart decisions and lifestyle changes are what keep you that way (at least in my limited experience with sobriety).

I'm still curious though as to whether meth's addiction potential really is quite as high as it is for heroin? As in practically impossible to maintain at a recreational level? For the record, I was planning on oral use - I like to come up and down slowly and have a longer high when it comes to stimulants, plus as we all know the stronger the rush the stronger the pull and the higher the chance of addiction.

It absolutely is, at least psychologically. Luckily it doesn't have the same severe physical dependence of opiates or GABAergic drugs, but the comedown from extended periods of daily use is pretty close to kicking H, allegedly. The only reason I stopped using is because I couldn't without it triggering severe anxiety and my heart rate/blood pressure shooting up into dangerous territory (of course I tried a few times anyway by countering this with benzos, which just ended up in fucked up blackout situations).

Oral use might mean you lag behind, but that can often just give you an excuse to keep using the drug (oh I'm just bombing it, no big deal), or step up to a stronger ROA (I managed it oral for years, surely snorting can't be any worse). That's what did it for me - I figured I'd snorted it recreationally for over a year, so smoking couldn't be so bad. And you'll still get a comedown from taking it orally, it'll just be more protracted.
 
I don't know what to tell you. Different strokes for different blokes I guess. I tried herion once. Only snorted it. I snorted $15 worth my very first time. Puked my guts out for about an hour straight and after I was done puking I just laid awake in my bed for about 12 hours feeling extreme euphoria. It was all good but not something I could ever see myself getting hooked on. Downers are fun but they'll never really have a hold on me. Meth on the other hand has me for life. I haven't had any meth in almost a year but still there are many nights where I don't sleep at all because I can't stop thinking about it. I can't stop thinking about the next time I'm gonna binge. It excites me that much even though I won't be able to have any again for almost another year. You're now on day 28? What do you mean? You've gone 28 days without using heroin? If that's the case and your naturally a downer kind of guy and you can't see yourself getting addicted to an upper then I'd say there's no reason for you not to try it out of mere curiosity. Unless of course trying meth will somehow lead you to get back on heroin. If it were me, as a life long "meth lover", I could never see myself getting addicted to any other drug. Especially not a downer.
 
I don't know what to tell you. Different strokes for different blokes I guess. I tried herion once. Only snorted it. I snorted $15 worth my very first time. Puked my guts out for about an hour straight and after I was done puking I just laid awake in my bed for about 12 hours feeling extreme euphoria. It was all good but not something I could ever see myself getting hooked on. Downers are fun but they'll never really have a hold on me. Meth on the other hand has me for life. I haven't had any meth in almost a year but still there are many nights where I don't sleep at all because I can't stop thinking about it. I can't stop thinking about the next time I'm gonna binge. It excites me that much even though I won't be able to have any again for almost another year. You're now on day 28? What do you mean? You've gone 28 days without using heroin? If that's the case and your naturally a downer kind of guy and you can't see yourself getting addicted to an upper then I'd say there's no reason for you not to try it out of mere curiosity. Unless of course trying meth will somehow lead you to get back on heroin. If it were me, as a life long "meth lover", I could never see myself getting addicted to any other drug. Especially not a downer.

I said the exact same thing for years, that I loved uppers, that I wanted drugs I could do stuff on and party, that I didn't see the appeal of downers (leaving out booze, as people seem to do), that there was no fun in drugs you just sat around doing nothing on, that I'd never do opiates, etc etc. So did most of the people around me. But I burnt out on that party/upper lifestyle, and I bumped into codeine by way of upper back pain (although I think it would have happened anyway via natural curiosity, especially with bluelight), and things just kinda went from there. Now I'm addicted to opioids and benzos, although both supplied by my doctor for maintenance/medical purposes these days.

Sure, there are some people who stay into the pills and/or meth kinda thing for life, but my experience over the last 8 or 9 years has been that there's usually a cycle of sorts, which most of the heavy drug users around me have gone through. Weed and booze as a teenager, then you hit 17/18 and suddenly it's pills and maybe hallucinogens, then you can't keep up with the partying with those alone, so you pick up meth, go hard for a few years, then burn out on the drug and the scene surrounding it (if you're lucky), by which point you've usually started using downers to cope with the side effects and the comedown, and you find yourself spending less time running around on uppers and more time chilling out on the downers (which I'll grant are a bit of an acquired taste), until one day you realize you'd rather spend a weekend in than out. Then it goes from weekends to every few days, to daily, etc etc. If you're lucky you're one of those types who finds weed sufficient as a comedown aid and you come full circle and end up a stoner again, if not it's benzos/opiates/booze/sometimes GHB.

My point is, these things go in cycles. I'm sure most meth users said they'd never use "ice" at one point back when they were a teenager first trying weed and pills, I'm sure most IV users said they'd never shoot up, I'm sure most opiate addicts said they'd never become addicted, or use opiates in the first place. Likewise for benzo addicts. It's easy to say you won't do something when you're at one stage in your life and your drug use, only to enter a different stage and have different need. Never say never, especially since it's easy to go from "never" to "just this once," and we all know where that leads.

Yeah, I have a similar story in some ways I used to use speed/base a fair bit at raves, like once a month, maybe fortnight, maybe weekly sometimes for over a decade, we'd sometimes get 1/4, 1/2 or full ounces of it and divide it amongst a few mates so we had a fair bit and could flog some to make our money back and maybe a little profit, anyway I always bombed it or racked it, i do recall people having snow cones but I never did it and we didnt ever see crystal so smoking it wasnt common and injecting wasnt something i wanted to try but some of my old mates did. I never formed a massive addiction, like said above I could keep relatively small amounts at home and not use it for weeks until the next rave or house party or club.

Around the yr 2000 I had pretty much stopped going to raves and clubs and also pretty much stopped using speed and E's and I noticed the powder speed was becoming rare and my mates were getting shards which they were smoking, and smoking alot, i kept being offered it but kept refusing, a few yrs later I left and moved away but kept hearing some pretty bad stories about some of them doing some horrible shit that they had never done whilst we used pills and speed, things like robbing people and scamming friends and friends of friends for large amounts and not repaying them, losing jobs and gf's and places they lived in etc etc.

I mentioned in one of these threads a while back that I thought the smoking and injecting part was a big part of the the addictiveness to ice but someone went nuts and said it's all the same, its the same drug and you can become an addict using it any type of way. I just look back at my back ground and my friends and how we didnt really become full on addicts and be bad people but some of the ones who moved on and couldnt stop puffing the pipe and injecting it really did some damage to their relationships and personal integrity imo.

Yeah it's a common story. The stuff completely tore up the rave scene here during the MDMA drought, K dried up just before the MDMA did, half the ''acid'' over here is DO* and GHB has never had a big presence in Adelaide (though that's probably a good thing, looking at what it did to the Melbourne scene), so once the MDMA was gone, and the summer of mephedrone was over, it was a choice between booze, dodgy piperazine pills or getting on the gear. I thought the anti-smoking laws were bad because they put 1/3 the crowd outside the venue, but the MDMA drought and subsequent inflow of shard into the scene put another 1/3 in the parking lot, smoking all night instead of actually going in to see the acts they'd paid for. A lot of people stopped going out (either because only 1/4 of the crowd was in the venue or because they figured it was just cheaper and easier to set up some decks or a playlist, invite a few people over and smoke at home), which meant less ticket sales, which meant less gigs, which kind of spiraled down. Not to mention all previous pill/K dealers who started dealing shard and ended up with their own habit, smoking all their profits. Luckily MDMA made a comeback last year, and from what I've heard and seen on FB, the scene has picked up considerably. Shame I don't have the energy for it anymore, and it feels strange going out at 25 and being surrounded by 17 - 19 year old gurners.
 
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I mentioned in one of these threads a while back that I thought the smoking and injecting part was a big part of the the addictiveness to ice but someone went nuts and said it's all the same, its the same drug and you can become an addict using it any type of way. I just look back at my back ground and my friends and how we didnt really become full on addicts

I remember that exact post and yeah someone did go nuts saying it doesn't matter how you use it. I didn't post at the time but I felt quite strongly that ROA is the deal breaker when it comes to ice addiction

For me using meth by sniffing it once in a while for a party has really improved my fun/sexy times but I will never touch the devils dick.

Interesting stories from the above posters to, cheers for the insight.
 
Here's an old trip report from years ago regarding meth in Cambodia .... it's a shame the photos are gone. http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...rienced-Smoking-Shards-in-the-Cambodian-Slums

And I doubt you will find shrooms in Cambodia .... maybe possibly in Sihanoukville in a beach hut .... maybe but that's a long shot.


Crazy seeing Bong kok lake in that last photo, it's no longer there of course , hard to imagine PP without it for those that spent time there in the past. Many fond memories of days spent lounging lakeside.

All the shrooms I've ever been offered there were def not psilocybes and yeh all in Sihanoukville.

95% of the fun of shards is using the pipe, it definitely encourages obsessive re-dosing though, not so good if you can't control your usage.
 
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