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Methamphetamine Discussion Thread 2.0

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Meanwhile I was ducking into the bathroom to snort 80s :| Wonder which would have stirred up more fuss if they found out, the stigma surrounding opiates amongst people who consider a bottle of gatorade and a quick twirl breakfast is amazing.
 
Meth smokers probably not the best example for illustrating unsound reasoning when it comes to stigma. To be honest anything that can be used to deflect that kind of attention from themselves will be used. Too many times have I heard something like:

"Did you see suchandsuch *insert trivial thing here such as taking an extra long puff on the pipe*? They've got a problem and its out of control." said one daily meth user to another, who both shake their heads in disapproval.

But back on topic, stigma sucks but I'm glad its there for the people I know would otherwise probably end up as the extreme stereotypical crazy violent deviant.
 
I remember being at a party once, at least 3 different pipes in rotation, one bloke goes into the kitchen for a shot and everyone whispers about it like there's a satanic baby eating ritual going on in there.

Of course on the flip side, maybe if that stigma didn't exist it would have been 3 different boxes of fits being passed around - hardly seems like an improvement. Who knows?

I was in that exact same situation once (the night I was honest enough to tell two close mates and make them promise never to repeat it)

except instead of whispering, they were discussing it within hearing distance and really tryin to make it obvious I must have turned in an IV meth addict over night.. it got to the point where one mate tried to take the piss outta me for something un-related and I put him in his place (verbally, to his embarrassment) to then he said quietly, go shoot up some more gear.. I am a very placid person but after he said it the second time and infront on the group, (to put keep it short) I straight out said I will punch your head in if you are to even bring that up again to anyway so yeah, word was out and Ive slowly had to prove Im not a 'meth junkie' (by their standards)

I would never hit a mate (nor anyone unless it was extremely serious) but his and a few others attitudes that night really put me in a dark mood were I felt like belting the disrespectful cunts..

one day I will find this parallel universe where fit packs are openly passed around the circle why we rant about those filthy smokers :p

Meanwhile I was ducking into the bathroom to snort 80s :| Wonder which would have stirred up more fuss if they found out, the stigma surrounding opiates amongst people who consider a bottle of gatorade and a quick twirl breakfast is amazing.

the funny thing is, I use the exuse around my friends that Ive had oxy (when Ive really shot heroin) just so they dont look down on me.. what the fuck ay....

was havin a BBQ the other day and the beach n my mate driving the car was gettin inpatient because she had to go pick up another friend and it took me 5 minutes to piss out like 10 units of urine haha so I had to give up n apologize because of the oxy I took.. "aww thats alright then" now imagine if I said I shot up heroin before and I can no longer piss, shit or fart :p
 
I was in that exact same situation once (the night I was honest enough to tell two close mates and make them promise never to repeat it)

except instead of whispering, they were discussing it within hearing distance and really tryin to make it obvious I must have turned in an IV meth addict over night.. it got to the point where one mate tried to take the piss outta me for something un-related and I put him in his place (verbally, to his embarrassment) to then he said quietly, go shoot up some more gear.. I am a very placid person but after he said it the second time and infront on the group, (to put keep it short) I straight out said I will punch your head in if you are to even bring that up again to anyway so yeah, word was out and Ive slowly had to prove Im not a 'meth junkie' (by their standards)

I would never hit a mate (nor anyone unless it was extremely serious) but his and a few others attitudes that night really put me in a dark mood were I felt like belting the disrespectful cunts..

one day I will find this parallel universe where fit packs are openly passed around the circle why we rant about those filthy smokers

Ahhhh, crackhead drama. Now that I don't miss a bit :p Junkie drama is easier, everyone just fucks off to get high by themselves and ignore the problem.


the funny thing is, I use the exuse around my friends that Ive had oxy (when Ive really shot heroin) just so they dont look down on me.. what the fuck ay....

was havin a BBQ the other day and the beach n my mate driving the car was gettin inpatient because she had to go pick up another friend and it took me 5 minutes to piss out like 10 units of urine haha so I had to give up n apologize because of the oxy I took.. "aww thats alright then" now imagine if I said I shot up heroin before and I can no longer piss, shit or fart

Yeah it's insane how much of a difference a name can make. Hell, you probably could have just said 'diamorphine' and she would have reacted the same way, just as long as there's no mention of the drug that may not be named.
 
Crystal Meth has a pretty epic stigma...I haven't injected, only smoked, and I'm not fucked up...yet lol.

I was introduced to it by a friend from athletics. Most of our friends are elite athletes, they massively frown upon smoking weed so you can imagine their reaction if they found we had smoked crystal. We just keep it completely to ourselves as a result.

Even my other group of friends, who munch pills on a weekly basis and often dabble in coke etc, see meth as some next-level devil's substance.
 
well it is ^ and you will find that it is in the long run, It will go better if you realize now that satan lives at the center of this planet smoking crystal non stop at the lake of fire, he walks around on the corpses of the living dead souls as they scream in agony and float in the lava unable to escape
 
well it is ^ and you will find that it is in the long run, It will go better if you realize now that satan lives at the center of this planet smoking crystal non stop at the lake of fire, he walks around on the corpses of the living dead souls as they scream in agony and float in the lava unable to escape

Haha...it is quite insane. The biggest thing I noticed is the absolutely insane craving to use more. I never really understood addiction before, despite previously using opiates a fair bit I never felt any real craving for more (never been a smoker or coffee drinker or anything so never really felt addiction). First time smoking crystal, about 3 hours after consumption when the initial rush was starting to wear off a bit, my brain was flooded with 'GET MORE NEED MORE MUST HAVE MORE NOW', it was seriously insane, and made me completely understand how easy it would be to get addicted to this stuff. Luckily I didn't have more on hand (was at an athletics function/party lol) so didn't have a choice to use more otherwise if I did have more on hand, I reckon I would have found myself in a multi-day binge immediately. The feeling during the initial rush was out of this world...like turning on god mode or something.

It is definitely not something to be taken lightly, I'm still in awe at just how strong that feeling to use more was even on the first use.
 
well it is ^ and you will find that it is in the long run, It will go better if you realize now that satan lives at the center of this planet smoking crystal non stop at the lake of fire, he walks around on the corpses of the living dead souls as they scream in agony and float in the lava unable to escape

hahah you know what you remind me of (no offensive to Christians intended here), one of those off chops mutherfuckers that stand in the middle of the city screaming random (mostly incoherent) quotes and 'preaching' fuck knows what for whatever reason...

please tell me your trolling... please

haha and who remembers that doco where they reffer to meth as 'the devils drug'? I think it was an aussie one, possibly 'ice age'..

I only remember because one of our finest members, brn cuzzins, once nobly said
watch out boys, Im off me chops on the devils drug yeww
 
There are a lot of people who inject meth who are not fucked up at all.


You have a source to base your claims on that or you will just stick with the 1 or 2 people you know who blast and they appear "ok" then just proceed to generalize and feel that if they are ok then all is ok?

If you use the needle the likely hood of more problems are a lot bigger. If you use the needle something that can go wrong that is life altering is more of a chance. This is from a person who used to blast I have more experience then what you would know , there is a stigma attached and there is a reason for that. Defend your use of the needle that is all good and well if it makes you feel better however the needle won't ever defend you. Trust me on this.
 
IVing is dumb- on an american meth doco, the interviewer asks a user why she doesn't filter her shots to get rid of impurities. She just chuckled to herself and said 'cause the whole drugs an impurity.' I admire the fact she wasn't deluded about here use, but geez what a shitty drug when even hardcore addicts know the stuff they're shooting is crud.
 
I don't understand what the big problem is with IV'ing meth. If the meth is pure and clean and the user uses a clean new needle and cleans the injection site prior to injection what's the big deal? I can understand the stigma attached with IV use but for the majority of IV users it's not like that.

I have been a drug user and abuser ever since I was 17 years old. Whe I started smoking pot I became a full blown pothead for years. When I started drinking alcohol I became an alcoholic. When I started taking ecstacy pills I turned into a rave obsessed pill head. Same with LSD, Coke, opiates and pretty much every other drug I have ever tried. I was never born with that switch in my brain that people have stopping them from doing shit like this. I never knew why I did the things that I did or why I was different (turns out I was diagnosed with chronic AADD recently which explains most of it, unlimited 5mg Dexies for me now yaaayyyyy) I always loved to push the edge of the envelope as far as I could to see how high I could get. This resulted in at least 6 hospitalisations that I can remember for overdoses of various poly drug adventures (a terrible time of my life, a complete horror story).

The funny thing is I left all my old drug mates and returned 6 years later to see they were all IV meth heads. Even though I was still a drug fiend I had no desire to take it to that next level. For over 12 months I would tell them they were fucked for using that shit, and they should stick to other drugs or just smoke pot. Over the course of those 12 months though I started to develop severe clinical depression. I was absolutely debilitated by it. Constant suicide fixations (and attempts), hospitalisations (Alma St, Bunbury Psychiatric etc). At my worst I couldn't even get out of bed for days or even shower myself (my drug and alcohol abuse definitely did not help this).

So one day I was drunk with my meth mates when they were going to get on and I thought to myself "fuck it, why not?" I've tried just about every other drug and they all seemed fine and never OD'ed or died, and I didn't even really give a fuck if it killed me or hurt me because I wanted to hurt myself and I wanted to die (in fact in years to come I pushed the edge of that envelope to a 6 point shot, 100 units of one very pure shard, what happened after that is another story altogether but all I can say right now is I'm very lucky to be ranting to you guys right now).

So anyway, I got a friend to shoot me up with a single point. Holy shit!! Where the fuck have you been all my life? it made everything in my life instantly better. Where I had no motivation at all I was able to get up and do stuff. Where I always felt sad I now felt happy. All my problems seemed far away and didn't bother me no where near as much. To me meth was a cure for my illness. When I was on it I didn't feel depressed or sick anymore and life seemed brighter. You see out of all the drugs I have ever consumed meth is the only one that I felt I could function on all the time. Could you imagine living your life 24/7 stoned on pot or tripping on LSD or mushies, or drunk off your face or munging on MDMA all the time? You can't function normally or live a normal life high like that all the time, but...on meth? That I could do. Like I said it was the cure to my horrible illness and I was self medicating on that shit.

Ten years have passed since that first shot and I could write pages upon pages of my life story to do with this drug but I'm not going to bore you with my shit. Basically I'm only writing this so that some of the dickheads who have posted in the last two pages of this thread who think that they are somehow better then the rest of us just because they choose to smoke their meth and for that reason they are somehow smarter then the IV users and that IV users are somehow crazy for doing meth this way, you're wrong. If you lived my life you wouldn't have done it any other way. You think you know everything about methamphetamine? You're way off, I know exactly how far you can push it and what that feels like. You will never know what that intense rush feels like or what the butterflies feel like just before that, or the love of the ritual and the steel. Leave that for the big boys. Hahahahahaha for fucks sake do you think you don't look like drug fucked fiends blowing clouds out of you're crack pipes? You're all going to get early dementia with us and lung cancer to boot, Lol' don't forget, you're here right now, reading a methamphetamine thread with the rest of us druggos ;)
 
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haha ^ I never said I approved of my ingestion, smoking, snorting of meth... I HATE/LOVE it.... I know I would love IV meth, I just can imagine it takes it to a complete different level.... And as with anything, that new level is gonna fuck you up in the long run === and don't pretend people smoking get dementia or lung cancer, (even though we very well could) ... my point being IV meth is going to have all the same side effects as smoking and MORE, I GONE AND DONE THE RESEARCH.
 
Different ROA = some different side effects. I'm sure you haven't shut down any of your veins or put as much fatigue on your heart as I have. You don't run the risk of septicaemia and I'm sure my lungs haven't been exposed to anywhere near as much carcinogenic poison as yours have. Meth is bad for your body no matter which way you do it but I think it all comes down to the frequency in which you do it that ultimately determines our fate. Almost anything that you do in life if done excessively for long periods of time will ultimately shorten your life whether it be meth, cigarettes, prescribed medications, alcohol, cheese burgers, sugar, saturated fats, red meat, boxing, veganism, welding, breathing polluted air etc, shit...even fitness freaks who push it too hard for too long can cark it early because of the stress they have placed on their body and hearts. Just about everything causes cancer nowadays. I guess it's all about trying to have self control and only using drugs once in awhile and looking after and respecting your body. I've always lived by the mantra "I'm here for a good time and not a long time" I'm pretty sure I've reduced the amount of years that I will live dramatically considering the stresses I've placed on my body, mind and spirit in the last 20 years.

I was only poking fun when I mentioned the dementia and lung cancer because who really knows what meth does to our body or brains over long periods of time?. So what exactly was the research you did to come to the conclusion that IV meth has the exact same side effects as smoking meth and more? I hope it wasn't from reading the pamphlets at your Narcotics Anonymous, was it? ;)
 
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They say that cravings last 10 minutes...... Not with meth! I've been dying for a shot for 4 days straight! Full junkie shift and so much worse than H. Last week I used SO MUCH!!!

Managed 1.5 points IV this morning and smoked the rest then found a 2mg clonazepam & 2 5mg vals so I'm smoking weed n chilling.
 
I guess you've noticed the spun ramblings and deletions short after lol
A diary isn't the same. Anyway the main point of my last post is CRAVINGS LAST MORE THAN 10 MINUTES!!!!

& meant to say that smoking meth has caused me more damage than IV but that's because I IV properly and cleanly. I get a chest infection almost every time I smoke no matter what.
 
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hahaha all good mate :)

It's funny because in the ten years of me sticking needles in my arm I've never once missed the vein ever, it's weird because I'm right handed but prefer to use my left hand to hold the pick.

Yeah those cravings will get ya, even after an abstinence from gear for months the cravings just jump up and I hang for it for days. Sometimes I'll have a dream that I've just scored a bag and I mix it up and have a shot. I usually wake up with my heart pounding and I can't get back to sleep or get the thought of having a taste out of my head, it's fucked.

I switched to smoking it a couple of times usually after massive week long binges and was butchering my arm up pretty bad. I started getting bad pains in my arm and very noticeable track marks. My veins up near my bicep started turning blue and if I was on the couch and leaned on my arm it would get bad pins and needles (no pun intended ;) ) really easy (poor blood circulation I think) so thought it would be wise to change over. Smoking it was fun but I could never reach that peak or intensity that IV gives you. And you know what it's like, once you know how to IV meth no other ROA feels like it and I just went back to the needle.
 
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