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going to hit it on wednesday night . . got a good 48 hours off from work and the place to myself. party time! it's been too long... a few months to be precise.
 
I just picked up some crystal this week and it is the strongest crystal meth batch I have had in a very long time. The crystals are more rock like in appearance/shape(rather than the thin shard like appearance), and they have a faint yellow/beige tinge to them. Oh yeh they were sourced from western syd.

Ps hey ketaman I just read one of ur posts and i started thinking how we are now both the grandpa's of the ausDrug room lol :( Ive passed my 10years of service and your not too far off now too. :sus:
Lol it's good to see ur still kicking strong mate haha
 
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Shit 20 units for 250 mg?! Sounds like a bloody strong hit!

I used to use 30 units for a point and thought that was strong.
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It takes a little bit to mix one of those bell-ringers up having to sit there and be patient to dissolve the bastard but I find that the first shot is always the best shot so make it the best ya'know :) Nothin' better then a shot that makes you dry-reach... some people hate it though :)
 
Hi there, I'm a new member and I've smoked it, done lines, and points before. I'm trying to find some pro-tips on how much water to mix with my point filled up to right under 30 units. This is going to be my first time administering to myself, previous times another person would have to for me, but I'm set on trying to do myself. Thanks
 
Oh sorry. Question is how much water should I use with a point that's packed right below 30 units? Just measure out 30ml of water then mix it together?
 
Yeah I agree the question is a little unclear. My understanding is that you have done IV before but only with someone else doing it up for you. 30 units is heaps for a point as floatingaround suggested. If its good gear usually can grow 5-10 units leaving you with roughly about 35+ units of solution once drawn up :) Be sure to read some of the IV safety threads around BL, once you can administer yourself an IV easily it can be a slippery slope to never going back to any other ROA. Be safe!

What do you mean by packed? Are you pouring your gear into the syringe barrel and then adding water?? Can be a bad idea honestly... If you haven't weighed this so-called point perhaps use 50 units of water to mix then drawing it up and shooting half of whats in the barrel of the syringe and wait for a few seconds without pulling the needle out if your good re-register and follow through with the rest.
 
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Yah, gear went in then added water, or at least that's how I would see majority of past guys do with me. I'm thinking of just letting someone else admin, I don't want to learn how to do it myself after re-re-re-thinking about it. Thanks for the help though! :)
 
Teaching IV on a forum is difficult, and potentially dangerous. There's a thread in another subforum about someone thinking they were pulling blood clots straight out of their veins which is impossible. Blood should shoot into the syringe when you gently pull back the plunger, this means you're "in" the vein. Have a look at the IV mega-thread, but really you should have someone show you how to do it. It's the best way to learn, if you are dead-set on learning. Like has been said, IVing in the first place is a slippery slope.
 
I saw that post about the blood clots. Although strange what was happening not really an educated person on the OP. So strange how some people mixup. I always mixup in a saddy bag or a clean spoon if i'm comfortable at home and using a larger amount. Been using the IV ROA for about 7 years and never poured gear straight into the fit.
 
From journals i have read Auzzie was the USA's main soure of p2p this was in fact the main reason why some biker clubs that shall remain nameless started chapters in your wonderful country.
Can anyone here shed some light on this?
Also a lot of what people over in my country NZ were using back before about 1995 was in fact Meth or purified Dexy's that were then adulterated with Glucose & other rotten crap so people could make more $$ out of it. It wasnt until the Americas cup Yacht race that in NZ Meth became a huge illicit industry as there was no source for decent Coke in NZ unless you were a rich man so to satisfy the tourists the local hoods got together large scale production & its been a blessing & a curse ever since.
As far as the local market here we are getting a hell oif a lot more import meth Ice than ever before (FACT)
 
I remember when I was 15-16 watching large portions of meth spread over a aluminium tray crushed up and then stomped out with glucose to make street gear because that was all that anyone wanted. Nobody had heard of smoking meth or even seen glass shard. If there isn't a market for it then you can't make money on it. Gear from a p2np synth was also quite common due to it being a very simple procedure to procure reasonable quality amphetamines.
 
My use has decreased over the past few months. But ive noticed a cut being used that when smoked doesnt melt but instead jumps around in the pipe. Im starting to really dislike smoking crystal though and leaning towards IV whenever I do it. Id never encourage anyone to inject, my karma has already been dealt in that area. But IV meth feels cleaner, im not constantly burning myself and having that horrid pipe in my hands the whole night, its more discreet, I dont end up sick from smoking cut and its more economical.

I had maybe 2.5pts last night and im fried as fuck and still have some left. Thats pretty unusual, I usually go through a fair bit more than that.

One thing that would be nice is a pair of sunnies right now as im on my way to get my methadone and im fucked. its pretty obvious :P
 
Also a lot of what people over in my country NZ were using back before about 1995 was in fact Meth or purified Dexy's that were then adulterated with Glucose & other rotten crap so people could make more $$ out of it.
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Back around 95 and a few years before and after I was using a fair bit of speed and some of my friends were dealing in ounces and stuff. It was mostly white powder, sometimes beige and sometimes wet or gluggy, mostly dry tho, some of it was really strong and powerful and some was crap. We never saw crystal meth around then, not in 92 to the early 2000's, not in all the deals we did or at any raves or anything. But some guy I was chatting to in a thread about the old raves rekons he was getting crystals back then and they used to call it some weird name I cant recall. When crystals started taking over alot of my friends (I think in the early 2000's) I got out of the scene and cut ties with most of them as they were smoking or injecting it so much it was making me feel shit just being around them.
 
who here would cease use [ iv and vaporization] if a dextroamphetamine maintenance program was available? Much like a methadone program, use would be monitored by health professionals, and oral administration of pharmaceutical grade spanules would be distributed under close watch. Just interested as i know many, including myself at a time, were compulsively hooked on the mere procedure of taking a dose i.e twirling the pipe for hours. Eager to hear ppls responses
 
It's known that many people who use IV become psychologically addicted to the ritual of IV use as much as the drug, I know I am. Methadone doesn't do it for me at all, but primarily because it's a really shitty drug that makes me feel crap, never well. Stimulant maintenance is tricky, because it's very unhealthy to stay awake for days on end, which stimulant abusers tend to do. I'd be interested in hearing more about any proposed stimulant maintenance program though. I think a poster on AUDD participated in a trial with an inferior drug (can't remember which one) for this purpose but I don't think it worked very well.
 
I think for me most of the fun is in the act of smoking it. There are nights where I smoke because I'm bored but regret it because it messes with my sleep. I think what is more likely to work for me is something that you could smoke in exactly the same way and had no additional negative effects and had minimal stimulant effects to get me up in the mornings and help with my concentration.
 
^ That's going to be very hard with a stimulant, finding something that isn't harmful. Smoking in itself has problems, as does injecting - however, using a new needle every time and rotating spots does nearly reduce the potential harms from the act itself to zero. With smoking, you are always going to be harming yourself. Vaporising could work, that's much safer than smoking, but you don't get the same "feel" as you do smoking.
 
^ Just to clarify, I did say no additional negative effects, having in mind the common belief that the cutters are worse for you than the drug itself. Not sure whether there is any truth in that but if I could smoke something in the same way even if it were a placebo then I would definitely consider a dextroamphetamine maintenance program.
 
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Yah, gear went in then added water, or at least that's how I would see majority of past guys do with me.
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Dude ---- make a solution in a separate container (meth+clean water), FILTER THE SOLUTION then put into syringe.
Don't assume that everything in "shard" is pure/water/soluble/clean. You need to extract insoluble particles. They may not be visible to the naked eye, but can cause innumerable problems.
Putting things into a barrel before filtering in means it is no longer sterile or safe to use.

As for dexamphetamine (etc) for "maintenance" style addiction treatment; I only think it could make people worse. You're still taking amphetamine, with all the problems that go along with that. Unlike say opiate maintenance, where the biggest physical dangers lie in fatal OD and such (but pose fewer toxicity issues) and help the addict stay functional (out of withdrawal) - quitting speed takes willpower and lifestyle changes.
There have been attempts at replacement therapy for meth, but I think the Opiate maintenance model doesn't fit the pharmacological profile of methamphetamine at all.
Maybe some day....but amphetamine is amphetamine - risks of psychosis and such are still highly present.
Not to say that medical options shouldn't be explored - but on a personal level, I'd try something else to get my kicks.
Exercise, study, art....psychedelics (if you must take drugs).

Dexies for meth addicts should only be considered case-by-case IMO.
 
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