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Methamphetamine and driving

^ The proper definition of hallucination isn't altered perception, it's perceiving things that you think are real that aren't actually there in reality. Commonly encountered during psychosis, there would be a few people on here who can tell you about methamphetamine psychosis.

I've had a psychotic episode but not from drug use, I didn't see things that weren't there as far as I'm aware; I just had delusions.

Most people though don't use the word hallucination properly, they use it in the context of altered perception that you know is not real.
 
Like dead said:
I have one more question though, how much meth made you hallucinate? I have taken meth a few times (not a big fan, I prefer heroin) and have only experienced slightly swimmy vision. Is it common to hallucinate on meth? Oh and by hallucinate I am not talking about the proper definition (altered perception) i'm talking about seeing elves type of shit.
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Meth makes you hallucinate? this is news to me.

Meth Psychosis is a form of hallucination i guess. But this isn't liable to occur unless you have an underlying condition, or press shit far too hard.

A friend of mine once believed he could see snipers off in the distance from his bedroom window whilst under the influence of meth. Wouldn't believe me when i told him it was likely just the drugs. Suffice to say, no snipers were ever found, and no one was shot.
 
I heard that after doing a big shot you hallucinate. Btw the definition Mr blonde gave is the right one, sry bout the mistake.
 
They don't test for lsd so I'm guessing it is safer to take acid ;)

Seriously you are better to have a light beer and blow slightly over zero than give them a reason to think a drug test is warranted. In the name of HR I would say don't plan on driving at least 24hr after meth if you want to be safe. Reality is it is bullshit to be penalised a day or more after when everyone here knows their impairment is negligible compared to say a shift worker driving home exhausted at 3am.
 
Say you had a prescription for dexamphetamine... but you were on meth, would the test just say 'amphetamines' or are they distinguished?
 
^ A dude in my TAFE class last year failed a roadside drug test because of his prescription to dexamphetamine, as far as I know he doesn't use amphetamines recreationally at all. He reckons he had the bottle of dexies on him and even after showing this to the cop they had to ring up the doctor to make sure it was legit, he reckons they held him for more than an hour to get it cleared up but as soon as the doctor verified the script he was let go without further testing.

It seemed excessive to me they would actually need to get the doctor on the phone, who knows perhaps they were just being hyper vigilant as he is a young fella. From this I gather that the presumptive roadside test for amphetamine and methamphetamine must be one in the same, and it is only further testing which distinguishes them.
 
yeaa dexamphetamine shows up separately... the cop that got busted recently buyin a weight of gear and smokin some at the dealers house showed up on the drug test positive to methamphetamine and 'a illict prescription drug' which i suspected was dexamphetamine.. this is in WA btw but im sure it applies to every state....
 
Desoxyn is legal and contains methamphetamine hydrochloride, still I doubt saying that you have a prescribtion will get you off. But if youre in that situation I guess that you could try.
 
^ Technically it is a Schedule VIII substance in Australia, meaning it can be prescribed though is controlled rather strictly.

In practice I highly doubt it used much, if at all, anymore. Even if it was, you would have a hell of a hard time finding a pharmacy stocking it.
 
Say if one were to use codeine 4 times a week for 2 years would that give a positive indication to a road side drug test the next day for example? I know that codeine converts to morphine in 10% range but would they distinguish the two? or would the secondary test prove that if the user in fact only had codeine? I mean they cant nail u for taking sum nurofen plus for a headache which was a day or two ago can they? I know teh 1st test is a mouth swab and second is a urine sample. If the urine would test positive to morphine which im sure would how would one prove that he/she took codeine only?
 
^ I think they use blood tests as well. My guess is that the presence of a larger amount of morphine then would be present from normal codeine use would tip them off to something.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ I think they use blood tests as well. My guess is that the presence of a larger amount of morphine then would be present from normal codeine use would tip them off to something.
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Well what if one would take a whole bunch of nurofen plus's? Could have very bad pain and in need of it but not under influence whilst driving. Do they do the blood test on the spot? Would it also show that codeine has been used?
 
^ You could ask them to test for specific metabolites of codeine (e.g. 6-glucuronide codeine). They might test for codeine itself.

If it was enough to trigger the test though, the cops will probably try and argue that you were under the influence. Depending on the level in your blood, you may or may not be able to defend against this.

As for blood tests on the spot... it was my understanding they took you into the van and did it, or took you else where. I am not sure on this though, anyone else know for sure?
 
From what i gathered and understand i think they might take u to a Hospital. They dont have the rights to take blood samples from u without supervision of a medical profession. So lets clarify sumfn. Its really annoying from my point of view if someones doses a few OTC pain killers a day or 2 before or even just as one would be driving thats classified as drug driving? I dont see any writing on the package where is states that u cannot operate any vehicles whilst taking them. It certainly doesnt impair my driving capabilities in small quantities. Its such a frustrating matter when innocent people are getting done for no reason. Even people that have taken a substance 3 days beforehand which in no way have any effects on the driver and its actions. I find it ridiculous the way the justice system works.
 
The roadside drug tests don't currently test for any opiates that I am aware so there is no reason to be concerned, yet atleast. I am skeptical whether roadside drug tests will ever test for opiates, partially due to the problems arising from OTC codeine, and also because of the limited revenue it would likely generate. It is a lot harder IMO to predict when and where opioid users will be behind the wheel than it is to target people coming home from clubs and festivals where you are pretty much certain to bust a few on amphetamines and/or weed.
 
Sustanon do you happen to know if it is currently being used on our roads? I have only ever heard of the one for weed, MDMA and methamphetamine being used, obviously that isn't to say there aren't more but I would find it quite surprising.
 
^ God damn it now I am confused. So apparently they do not test for heroin?

I think maybe Sustanon is confused with the fact that in NSW there is some kind of distinct law prohibiting driving under the influence of cocaine and heroin.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/alcoholdrugs/drugdriving/roadsidetesting.html

Sustanon - The pack should say on it: this medication can cause drowsiness and increase the effects of alcohol. If you are affected, do not drive or operate heavy machinery.

Pharmacists have stickers with these words and it should be on the pack as well somewhere. Of course, the cops would have to prove you were driving when you were too drowsy to do so safely.
 
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