METHADONE VS. SUBOXONE....Your experience w/each-Which one do u think is better?

[Tommyboy]

^I wouldn't say it is like comparing apples to oranges. They are similar enough that is may be more like comparing oranges to tangerines

I think with both bupe and methadone, you feel a buzz until you stabilize at your dose. That is of course unless the bupe of done is at a significantly lower dose than the habit you had going into it. I felt a good buzz for the first 4 days on suboxone, but then it went away rather quickly. I used methadone to detox once, and I may have exaggerated my oxy/heroin usage a bit to the doctor, and I was pretty damn high for the first 2-3 days on it, but as the dose lowered I obviously didn't get that buzz as much.

I think that more and more places are doing bupe maintenance in which they give you your daily dose in a clinic setting. This way you don't have the whole script given to at once, which leaves you with the decision to use it or not, or to use higher doses etc....

 

[TheLostBoys]

If you can get high on methadone, then your habit wasnt big enough to require methadone maintenance IMO.

People whose habits deserve methadone aint gettin high on the shit.

You CAN get high on methadone--If you aint got no tolerance and are a new user. Methadone IS recreational, for people who aint addicted to high amounts of strong-ass opiates. (Meaning-if you got a 100mg a day oxy habit, youll get high as shit off methadone. when you shoot a couple bundles of dope a day, and get on methadone, you aint gonna be gettin high.

The fact still is that folks on methadone for a habit that actually deserves methadone and cant be held down with just sub, dont get high. its just the kids who aint actually got a big enough habit to need the done, who got lowass tolerances, who can catch a nod from it.

That would be me. I have taken 5mgs of Methadone once & was really high, too high to be honest. After that, I have taken 2.5mgs of Methadone about 5 times & have gotten high every time but like you've explained about, my tolerance is very low, hence why I can feel high on a low amount of Methadone. It actually helps with my back pain very well but im not about to ask my primary doctor to switch me to it, he might flip out on me.

Ive never tried subs...........are subs used for pain as well?

 

[subutex_junkie]

I gotta go with bupe, I was only on methadone for a very short time though. Not to say that I personally have had the best experience with bupe, I'm addicted to it and shoot it, I do micron filter though but I just feel like I generally function better on it. I only get a small buzz from bupe because I drink and use benzos every day but without those, I get no high at all, I was even going back to school for a while when I first started subs, something I never could of done on heroin so it helps a lot still. When I took methadone, I always felt a bit high from it, even at low doses it get a slight euphoria. I also like how bupe blocks dope, I'd of relapsed probably 50 or so times by now if it would of been possible but with methadone, I could still do dope anytime I wanted to and I sometimes did. I've also seen a lot of other people on methadone who just used both methadone and heroin instead of trying to quit and they'd skip a lot and just buy dope because they had to go get the methadone daily.

Really, they both can be great, life saving drugs and both drugs have different positives and negatives, it's all about what works best for each person for them to get sober. Sadly, methadone seems to only be available in bigger cities because you need to go to a methadone clinic to get it when bupe doctors it seems like are a lot more common and also in smaller towns that don't have methadone available. It's sad that a lot of people don't have the option to choose what drug works best for them and have to just take what they can get.

 

[arussell13]

i am currently on a very low dose of methadone and have been dealing with addiction for half of my lifetime (14+years). for me, at this point in my addiction and life i feel methadone is the best solution for me (and for my family). i have been on sub before and it did work great for a period of time, once that period of time was over and the 'new car smell' wore off i figured out how to abuse the hell out of it and mix everything but methadone with it, i think newer users with shorter history of substance abuse have better results with subs. for veteran/lifetime users i honestly feel a low dose of methadone is a positive and helpful resource. methadone has a terrible rep because some of the people who are on it and some of the doctors giving it are taking to a very high dosage. a stable dose of methadone is medically proven and believed to help replace opiate receptors in the brain...a stable dose. some people cant identify when they have 'had enough' or what that stable dose is. this knowledge of ones self is very hard to acquire and takes time as well as education-education about the treatment and yourself. if you can isolate the smallest milligram that second it makes u feel normal and not high, and you can then control the feeling to get 'more normal' then you are on the right path. if you mentally cant tell when that is and every day wake up with 'with drawl' being on a medication where with drawl takes well over 36 hours to set in...you need wake up and realize that you are not in control of your feelings.the doctors who give and push methadone/suboxone and being 'comfortable' are also to blame for this. they need to be more aware of the fact that not everyone is going to be honest or even know that they arent being honest.treatment is being addicted to another drug-at the end of the day that is what treatment is, it is just being controlled and used to heal us over time and try to kill off our 'junkie' tendencies. it is one tool in a tool box full of tools-we must utilize them all for it to work tho. you cannot build anything with only a screwdriver. we shouldn't always be sedated to be comfortable. of course on bad days we dont want to always talk about our feeling and why it is a bad day-we want to get high and make all the bullshit subside. the doctors who allow people to do so with the idea of 'comfort' are not helping and the people who are receiving that 'treatment' are not helping themselves. this isnt meant to be easy, we had easy and it got us no where. now we have to be strong enough to admit life sucks sometimes but its life and thats ok. we have to be strong enough to have bad days with out little helpers. gaining this internal being of ourselfs is what we are supposed to be learning in recovery so when we wean down --from whatever we are being treated with- we can live as 'normal' at least, non addicted people. no one is perfect and the world needs to realize with or with out addictions-they arent either. one treatment isnt superior to another, its which one works best for that individual. for me its methadone, for another its cold turkey and another its subs...there isnt a right answer. the solution is inside of you.

 

[DrinksWithEvil]

It's all about stop being a pussy and get sober

But we are all pussys

 

[hangyourhead]

Bupe is far too easy to "divert" from what it's prescribed for. As well as that, it's far too easy to take x<2mg in the morning and shoot right through it in the late noon or night (with the right dose of heroin, of course). Bupe never did anything worthwhile for my cravings. At first, yeah I could get a mood lift/euphoria; especially if I would wake up in minor WD and do a low dose (i.e. IV 0.25mg/0.5mg). Another issue I had with bupe is that it had an uncomfortable (at times) stimmy effect that would make my insomnia far worse! It would even give me panic attacks when I would smoke a sativa, but not always... it was strange. Bupe just wasn't for me. Far easier to kick than 'done though.

Methadone has been great for me in the way of cravings and feeling emotionally stable. For the first two months or so, I did have a sedative opioid buzz. I would definitely catch nods with benzodiazepines. I hate going to that damn MMT clinic though, some of the clients are alright, some you just know they're apathetic. Then I completely stabilized and I just felt good. I would get a warm glow after I dose, but I can function 100% I don't give a fuck about heroin, I've tried to shoot through... waste of money and dope. You cannot get high if you're 60< mg IME. The whole UA piss test thing keeps you on the right path if you don't wanna kick methadone way too fast and suffer haha. I'm ready to be off though. I'm sick of that clinic haha.

 

[rhonda5558]

I have to vote methadone is the bettet optiotion for anything stronger than hydrcodone. seems to do wonders for people quitting. lortabs and such but as for heroin fentynal dilaudid roxys and even oxys methadone seems to do much better job holding you through

 

[manboychef]

Good old maintenance and its pile of painful pebbles bowl movements.

 

[z06-frank]

They both suck when you want to come off of them. Methadone gets into your bones and if you have any injuries like myself it sucked getting off of them. I hurt for about a week but only took them for a short period of time back in the day when I was trying to come off of oxys. The 2nd time I came off I went the sub route but that didn't last long I ended up using h because I couldn't stop thinking about how I felt before. If you are not planning to quit all together. Methadone is the way I would go. I am 8weeks clean today and still think about it every day. It sucks. ...

 

[Monchhichi]

Someone at my clinic once said that methadone is akin to liquid handcuffs and she was right. I couldn't get take homes but I had to drive 45 miles each way every day to dose. When I lost my job, I couldn't get there because of the gas. I got so sick of the month long withdrawal that made me suicidal. I finally got myself to a sub doctor and found out I was pregnant. He put me on subutex and God as my witness, it saved my life. Unfortunately I am back to dope and trying to get into detox. I have to be dirty to get in so it's a catch 22...do dope in order to get a bed in detox.

I wanted to add that you have to be on a dose that "holds" you with sub. I was still shooting dope when I was on 4mg of subutex. I had cravings that were so bad. She upped it to 8mg and the cravings stopped. I did get addicted to sniffing it but it worked. Now the films I have no experience with because I was a pregnant dope addict so no naloxone for me. I'll probably end up on films this time around with detox.

 

[z06-frank]

Monchhichi do it for the baby we all have to go threw it. And after the detox it going to get easier every week.

 

[phatass]

i voted bupe.... as for maintenance, yes if you have no intention on getting off methadone (long time users) i would say bupe was easier to taper.....

 

[kaylin1992]

I've experienced withdrawals from EVERYTHING except alcohol and I'm sad that our doctors would put people on methadone to quite heroin, to me it's a much more addictive drug and the withdrawal is way more serious, I was sick with full withdrawal for about 3weeks then I had acute withdrawal for 2 months! I would advise people to do suboxin.

 

[Monchhichi]

Monchhichi do it for the baby we all have to go threw it. And after the detox it going to get easier every week.

z06-frank, I did finally get clean off the dope at 6 months. I relapsed twice around 37 weeks. I went through heroin withdrawal which is 10 times worse when you're pregnant. I know this is disgusting (and I am full of shame) but I felt my daughter kicking the crap out of me, constantly awake and moving as I suffered through withdrawal (I had to stop sub before the delivery so I was out of everything). The profound guilt I felt was so great; never in my life have I felt more pain and disgust towards myself harming that sweet little girl of mine. Through God's grace, she came out unscathed, no withdrawal and no residual effects from the dope or subutex.

 

[mangles]

My habit was about 2 bundles a day IV, so roughly 30 bags.

I was on subutex, 16 mg, for about 6-7 months, it did nothing for me. I felt worse on it. I felt all amped up but still sick at the same time. And the mind fuck was killing me. Constant cravings, depression, anxiety. And my doctor was extremely stingy in prescribing more, but as far as I know I doubt I would have gotten relief off 32 mg if I wasn't feeling great on 16 mgs.

I was on methadone for almost two years, at 90 mgs. It let me get my life together. I'm like a real person now. It completely killed all my cravings. I have not used since I started at the methadone clinic in July 2013. And no, you don't get high on it. But I definitely was a little "foggier." And the withdrawal seriously isn't that bad. I went down 3 mg a week, been off it for almost a month now. Sleeping is a little harder and I'm sweating more than usual, but clonidine and some scripted sleep meds fix that.

All these people saying subs are for "really getting clean" and methadone is for "admitting you'll never get off drugs," I'm sure you're basing this off your anecdotal evidence, so I just wanted to throw mine out there as well.

 

[lilme73]

Hello all so I will jump into this debate. I was on Methadone for 7 years straight. I had worked my tollerance up to a pretty high dose. I don't think in my state they even let your dose get that high anymore. I have been on suboxone for the past 4 years now.
So between the two, suboxone is the best if you are truly trying to get clean and completely get out of the whole lifestyle all together. However, methadone was probably my favorite between the two. I got high everytime i took it. I mean the kind of high where you feel the warmth go all thru your body and even nodded out most of the time within minutes of taking it. When I take the suboxone I dont feel like I am getting high at all. I don't really have cravings taking either of them. I started out on a high dose of the suboxone as well. I have since tapered down to what seems to be a good level for me.
If I had to quit one of them I would definitely pick the suboxone to get off of because Methadone is a monster to get off of. Hardest drug yet for me to quit. So this has been my experience with both medications. I love this site and thanks for letting me bè a part of it.
Lilme73

 

[Payback sucks]

I've used them both and they cover different things subs are for non heavy short term users its easier to taper off it letting you see a time when you no longer have to deal with them, while methadone is a long term thing that allows one to get high asf while telling those around that they really need the 175mg as they dose with daily ,honestly methadone scared me because it's such a long term commitment because out of all my years I never seen not one person taper off and 10 or 15 years later they are still a slave to it but it's easier and cheaper vs street drugs.

 

[fastandbulbous]

If they can make it a depot injection, methadone by a country mile. Even if was down to once a fortnight. Less 'junkie stigma', no worries about all sorts of things, but step one is no mèdìçìne for profit (to quote the bible,"the love of money is the ŕòot of all evìl".)
Got that one off perfect.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Methadone is a partial NMDA antagonist, meaning
1) it treats neuropathic pain, that 'normal mu opiate agonist' painkillers do fuck all for.
2) partial NMDA antagonists develop fuck all tolerance to other mu agonist, compared to pure mu agonists, which means other mu opiate agonists, can provide pain relief, as the are not antagonized at the mu receptor.

But finally, guess what, methadone is no where near as profitable.

Medicine for profit: making money from others misery. Fucking disgusting. For those thinking calling me a socialist is an insult: to me it's a badge of honour

 

[LoveisEnough]

I used suboxen (16mg) for 2.5+ years alongside ( max 6 mg) xanax for 6+years. No opioids where I live.

Panic disorder, Ptsd, that's why I got a lot of benzos. One time I didn't have my doctor and another doctor said "go from psychiatry to addiction." (Outpatient, not inpatient)
In addictionology, no one was interested in benzodiazepines. But I took some kratom to get off the xanax. I told the doctor about the kratom. They put me on about 16mg of suboxen for no reason.
I didn't know what that was. It was a high dose, it made me sick. I was told it was normal, "you have to get used to it to stop kratom..."
I wish I had known that kratom was almost nothing... I was on opiate free 16mg sub for years...

After 2 years on a high dose of bupe and benzodiazepine I became quite amnesic. I wanted to stop. I checked myself into a hospital. They took me off my meds in a couple of weeks. Instead they gave me unpleasant antipsychotics and pulse suppressants andbantidepressants. I was terribly ill...

But worst of all, I was lying there without my medication when a family member close to me died. There I was... indescribable.
The doctors gave me shit for being in mourning and benzodiazepine/suboxen withdrawal and that's why I left. They gave me 0.75mg alprazolam as a parting gift...thanks...

I moved to my mom's to take care of her. I tried to drink as much kratom as I could for wd...

It's been a few weeks/months. I had a seizure (first), got back on 3 mg clonazepam. I then went back for suboxone, because despite abstinence, the physical/mental wd didn't end. I took it again for a couple of months but felt I was not good. I jumped from a 10+mg high to some DHC(now I know I jumped from too high)...and kratom...And since then PAWS which is indescribable torture on suboxone at this point, worst time of my life. (Always a little better time.) But I'm still scared of going to the hospital since, last time it hurt...

Oh fuck I haven't taken a sub in almost a year, just about kratom. No end to wd so I have to have kratom. I'm lousy as it is. I'm on diazepam but they keep taking it away from me(10mg) So I have wd from that too.
Fucking hard ,but I love my family and I have a amazing girlfriend and I am a believer.

But man, I think you should only start substitution treatment if you are really on opiates. It can ruin you.
And I need a change because I'm in pain/fear, should I go on methadone? What would you do?