dont get me wrong, I am very proud of you for coming down from such a high dosage of methadone to where you are now; not many can do that.. but this process would have played out much different if you capped yourself out at a much lower dosage of methadone, such as 100MG/max, or somewhere in that ball park. believe it or not, 300MG is probably more than 95% than those who are on the clinic. and those 95% are/were RAGING ADDICTS one point who are now at a much more controlled clinic and helped them w/ their problem.
Lets agree that I wont tell you what an idiot you were for being a raging heroin addict if you wont continue to insinuate what an idiot I was to let my MMT clinic put me at 300 mg? I believe this board is for support not continuing to stand on one's soap box.
Sometimes it is soo much easier to lecture and chide others when time might be best spent on your own issues?
Bostonbrowntown: The idea with Maintenence at least is to reach a dosage where the client/patron feels comfortable, not simply to reach parity with equigesic dosing. If someone is doing a couple of Percocets a day it could be for any number of reasons. Maybe there isnt alot of availability. Maybe they simply cant afford to do more. Most American clinics will let you max your dosage no questions asked so long as the client/patient is sated and minimising their use of illicit substances.
This is an accurate statement. THere are nearly 2000 patients at our clinic and there is absolutely no correlation between what a persons previous DOC was and how much they were using and the dose of Methadone that holds them and creates a blockade effect. I REGULARLY see "20 yr raging H addicts" on 40 mg while younger oxy users on 120mg.
And please BostonBrownTown do not tell me well, the H addicts are just being honest while those "oxy guys" are only trying to get high......
For the person asking what kind of clinic would place a client/patient on 300mg, there are people who need very high dosages for different reasons. In America, in NYC for example, fast metabolisers receive a Trough Test at 220mgs and if their serum level registers low they are increased. Other cases, there are medicines which inhibit serum levels. For example, Protease Inhibitors for HIV positive patients/clients require at times dosages approaching 600mg. There are plenty of people in NYC with 400 and change.
Yes! I was given a TT actually at 120, 200, and 260. All showed low plasma levels. THat being said, I am now TOTALLY convinced that this drug is TOXIC at these higher levels and I am very sad I ever allowed myself to be on that high of a dose for that long.
To support my assertion that Methadone is toxic, has anyone seen they are now using Methadone as a CHEMOTHERAPY drug to fight Leukemia? They have the AUDACITY to say, well, it kills the Leukemia cells but seems to leave other normal cells alone. RIGHT>>>>Have you ever heard of a chemotherapy that wasnt toxic to ALL cells?
I also found VERY well thought out and run study that showed high doses of methadone OBLITERATED neuron cells. THere is a picture of before and 24 hours later after the addition of the methadone and it looks like a nuclear bomb went off in these neuro cells. I will find the link to this study and post it. Its a bit tough reading but worth pouring over.
Perhaps thats why my cognition is gone....
I have to agree with Mr. BrownTown on this. There is a direct correlation between how much you used before you started MMT and what a stabilizing (yes stabilizing, not crazy high) dose will be for you.
When I was actively using I did about 15 bags a day just to stay well. When I was out I had a connection for methadone. In order to maintain wellness I needed to eat ten 10mg pills. Anything below I would experience symptoms of withdrawal. When I first started doing heroin I was only doing 1-2 bags a day and I would only need to take one of the 10mg pills to stave off withdrawal. There is indeed a direct correlation between dosage during active use, and dosage needed for maintainence.
Nonsense.
Here we go again. I would ask that you please stop using your OWN experience to make general sweeping statements. Newsflash!! Your OWN experience may be proof of your OWN experience but is not proof of direct correlation of ones correct MMT dose and prior dosing habits, DOC or amounts.
THIS is why they dont use some sort of formula i.e. ok, Mr. Jones, you were on 200mg oxy's a day its 80 mg of methadone for you!etc. etc. "
I dont know.. even those people who are on those that type of dosage I question.
Why? When you know NOTHING about them, their history, their metabolism...ANYTHING! Who are you to question what another addict decides is their correct MMT dose? Are you kidding me?
And where were these "grand all knowing insights" when you were being a "raging H addict"? (your words not mine) Once again, much easier to tell others how best to fix their problems.
I dont want to keep beating a dead horse but I am just losing patience with your superiority attitude when we are ALL majorly flawed my friend!