Heroin Methadone Rapid Detox?

[Zopiclone bandit]

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I've NEVER been on Methadone in all my time using Heroin & only done Bupe a few times when really stuck unable to score & to keep the sickness off which didn't really do much for me. I began using some of the best Heroin I've seen in Europe in years a few weeks ago & now my man has vanished things have got way over my head & I am off to a Rehab place I curse due to the stupid Doctors at Cranston (UK drug service) this afternoon to begin what they call a "triage" which is French I think???

Anyway I am 100% going for Methadone, I have always been very puritanical about this stuff, I have known several people who simply cannot kick it & I know one guy who had to do Ibogaine to get off it, I have NO intention to be a NHS scripted Junky, I may as well carry on with Heroin imho. I am planning on a self detox with Methadone on a rapid level, how bad will it be to do a 30 or possibly 60 day detox off Methadone?

Let us say.........

1) I am on 50mg Per day for a month then drop 10mg per week, how bad will it be compared to a full-blown Heroin withdrawl?
2) If I find some Pre-Gab off the street can you take 600-700mg for 2 days on top of the Methadone with no issue of hurting myself?
3) Is Methadone a Magic Bullet, will it actually fix me once & for all?
4) UK based people who will know this please answer, how much of a chance will a Doctor write a week's worth of 10mg Blue's or 5mg Yellow's for me to get sleep? Diazepam for me has ZERO recreational value, all it does is make me go to sleep & feel fucked up in a horrible way, if I tell the Doctor this will they write a script for me? If I want to get fucked up I will hunt out Pregabs as they actually have something of value in terms of a "high"

 

[KurtAurelius]

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I've NEVER been on Methadone in all my time using Heroin & only done Bupe a few times when really stuck unable to score & to keep the sickness off which didn't really do much for me. I began using some of the best Heroin I've seen in Europe in years a few weeks ago & now my man has vanished things have got way over my head & I am off to a Rehab place I curse due to the stupid Doctors at Cranston (UK drug service) this afternoon to begin what they call a "triage" which is French I think???

Anyway I am 100% going for Methadone, I have always been very puritanical about this stuff, I have known several people who simply cannot kick it & I know one guy who had to do Ibogaine to get off it, I have NO intention to be a NHS scripted Junky, I may as well carry on with Heroin imho. I am planning on a self detox with Methadone on a rapid level, how bad will it be to do a 30 or possibly 60 day detox off Methadone?

Let us say.........

1) I am on 50mg Per day for a month then drop 10mg per week, how bad will it be compared to a full-blown Heroin withdrawl?
2) If I find some Pre-Gab off the street can you take 600-700mg for 2 days on top of the Methadone with no issue of hurting myself?
3) Is Methadone a Magic Bullet, will it actually fix me once & for all?
4) UK based people who will know this please answer, how much of a chance will a Doctor write a week's worth of 10mg Blue's or 5mg Yellow's for me to get sleep? Diazepam for me has ZERO recreational value, all it does is make me go to sleep & feel fucked up in a horrible way, if I tell the Doctor this will they write a script for me? If I want to get fucked up I will hunt out Pregabs as they actually have something of value in terms of a "high"

Hey dude know you @‘D others so don’t worry if you’d rather hear from em, I’m just bored AF and likely just adding dribble..

1. I’d speculate it’d be rough, but you never know till your in the thick of it, 50mg also may even be rough anyway if your tolerance is high.

Gradual drops are better only for reducing suffering, the more you can drop the better BUT, it’s no good if it makes it no longer worth bothering and you go back due to it being agony. It’s a game of how much you can do at once, versus accepting a very slow game to be sure it sticks.

2.In theory yes, not to question your ability to self regulate use, but if I was in your shoes I’d worry if I’d be able to save them for 2 days of hell, and then stay off if I was STILL suffering and then had to wait a week to use again.

Useful to have other non GABA things on hand for that like Clonidine.

If you can do that for 2 days for every weekly dose drop to help smooth it then your gold.

A tolerant opioid user using that much pregab while still uncomfortable likely indicates there’s little interaction to worry about but, just titrate the pregab to be safe, stagger it over 2-3 hours rather than slam it all one pop.

Maybe it will even provide longer coverage and relief.

3. I don’t think Methadone is a magic bullet like Ibogaine or the mythical SR-1078 or whatever it is.

It’s solely a tool to regulate tapering or to keep someone stable longterm on a drug.

I know you expressed your preference for Methadone over Bupe, so I’m not going to try convert you on that or say your “wrong

Only to mention Bupe sometimes has sucess for rapid induction and then rapid tapering.

Methadone can have funny pharmokinetics, and your trusting a doctor to understand that sometimes Methadone can change in a indivual leading to withdrawal on stable doses, and an unpredictable half life. (Don’t take my word for it, I’m only echoing!)

4. I think doctors here are very stingy, 2mgs could be given for a pitiful week, 5mg if you’re lucky.

I seriously doubt 10mg.

They really only save it for absolutely emergencies, but if you speak to a human with a brain, and not a placeholder with no experience with issues like these, it could be possible to obtain a small amount to aid in emergencies.

If you do obtain them, I’d personally save them, and try not to use on top of the Pregabs. I could be being a fanny but I’m so fearful of GABA dependency I’d want to be as careful as possible.

The people I know with Diazepam prescriptions and with hefty daily doses (20mg) have been on it for years, and have very severe mental health history.

Good luck, I hope you are able to obtain what you need and your able to make it out.

 

[Allylbenzene]

a 30 or possibly 60 day detox off Methadone?
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3) Is Methadone a Magic Bullet, will it actually fix me once & for all?

60-day detox sounds feasible with the right tools.
To facilitate your detox use 2 otc supps, Agmatine and Theanine. Both reduce withdrawals (especially agmatine) and reduce tolerance build-up (for the methadone).
Both are pro-GABA and reduce excitory substances (adrenaline etc) like pregabalin.

If you're combining Agmatine with methadone, use low doses of Agmatine:

Agmatine is a Nootropic used for opioid potentiation and a useful tool for tapering. I have a bottle of 100 capsules, it significantly potentiated my daily Methadone and was nodding hard….could be dangerous actually and could cause an o.d. during sleep

But reducing your opioid usage, using Agmatine would definitely be useful in keeping you comfortable.

If you've got the money get some CBG (sold otc pure or in oil) which also acts like pregabalin.
There's also CBD but it might be too sedating for your needs.

Other otc opioid options:
- myrrh (oil or CO2 extract, use capsules)
- nigella sativa oil (active: thymoquinone)
- sodium ascorbate (direct/indirect opioid action)

The advantage is these are all OTC.

If you drink coffee, read this to maximise it's detox potential. Coffee supports metabolic health.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

Depending on your usage now, a 10mg drop per week may be drastic in terms of withdrawal. I'd say drop 2mg a day over 5 days, then day 6 reassess. If you're feeling worse, drop it lower, manageable, keep on with it. You want it to be painless, but you also don't want the fabled "green handcuffs" which is what I think you were eluding too.

 

[Shambles]

I’d agree that 10mg drops could be a problem. Honestly I’d skip the methadone and opt for bupe. Admittedly I’m a bupe evangelist… but meth is just fukkin brutal to come off.

Bupe is just soooo much smoother to taper and ultimately quit - doubly so if planning a relatively rapid taper as you seem to be.

Either way, best of luck, my brother. And remember it doesn’t matter if you falter, get back on that horse (pun not intended) and try, try, try again. You’ll get there