Methadone: painless detox possible?

[negrogesic]

I am currently taking, 180mg of this devil of a drug, and want to get off. I am looking for people who are experienced with methadone, not some jerk off giving advice out of their ass.

Anyways, would 1mg per day induce withdrawal? Should i do every other day? I need to get off this poison, get down to 60-80 and switch to oxy or fentanyl patches.

Any past or current methadone patients out there? I know kristofire had his experience with it, anyone else?

 

[Tri-nity]

No,
1mg per day should not be too bad.
Methdone is not good to use long term because the withdrawl is painful.
I hate to say it but sooner or later u have to come off the dope......

Some smack heads use codeine to help withdrawl but like I said, sooner or later u gotta detox.


I'd get 300-500ng of Morphine and take 30mg Morphine when withdrawls are really bad! then go up in 20mg increments from there.


But hey, I wish I could obtain anywere near that amount of methadone, so u must be speacial to someone, cuase u got good karma, LOL

anyways, just get off the smack for a while and get clean....

p.s. As I'm sure u know, ativan, soma, and tramidol will help u greatly when withdrawling

 

[Tri-nity]

one more thing i'd like to say........

If you opiates for long periods of time it's hard to have a completely "pain free" withdrawl, but the goal should be to make to uncomfotablility manageable.

anything, for me......pot, ativan, and sometimes milkshakes always help, LOL
sounds funny but i'm no newcommner to opiates, in my peak of my last "run"(real users know what i mean) I was using around 250-500mg of Morphine a day, and I would just come off it, I think I have a naturally high tolorence anyways.....thats my 2 cents

 

[blahblahblah]

Its hopeless trying to get of methadone (at least for me). I decided to switch back to heroin which was easier to kick. The sucess rate for patients that 'actually' get off methadone is low.

I think I detoxed basically 2mg a week and once you hit 15 mg and try to go down from there its hell, not worth it. Switch to a kinder detoxable opiate.

Bupernorphine (suboxone) is a great new treatment to help ease of methadone, well worth the money. I am going on 5 months on it and I have no complaints. Plus I am almost off.

 

[playskool]

i have absolutly no first hand experience with detoxing from this but there is a program that is advertised as painless, it's a rapid detox while they put you asleep.

from what i've heard, as far as physical pain goes, this has the least.

 

[melissa32]

There is no pain-free way.
1mg a day seems logical, but you will feel the end.
I hate to tell you that, because I know it sucks, but there it is.
I have not gone through it myself, but I have gone through it second hand (husband, live with, full time)three times now.
We are on four, but no down-schedule planned at this time.
Best of the best to you.

 

[twominds]

I was on Methadone for 18 months, for that time I was held comfortably on 60mg. The method I used to get off when I finally became sick to death of it like yourself negrogesic was to start slowly on dropping 1mg a week. When I eventually got to around the 30mg mark things became noticably uncomfortable. I then steadied on 30mg until I felt able to drop again. I eventually got down to 10mg which was a fucking struggle and then jumped off. This was by far the worst of the withdrawal. I then relied on large amounts of meth and benzos to ease the remaining problems. Getting down to a dose from 30 to 10mg was by far the worst part, alot worse than jumping off on 10mg. I takes alotta fucking patience but thats the best way I've found. Obvisiously it'll take alot longer coming off a dose of 180mg, good luck man.

 

[negrogesic]

Im in some hot fucking water, but hopefull ill transcend this disease. Once i get to 60-80, i wil switch to a shorter acting drug, then get a rapid withdrawal under anesthesia. Shit..

 

[twominds]

Hey negrogesic have you thought about Buprenorphine(Subutex)at all?, friends I know have informed me that it works wonders in reducing the sickness of methadone withdrawal. But unfortunately your methadone dose is too high to switch over at this point of time. You've probably looked into it already but its an option!

 

[negrogesic]

I know virtually all there is to know about buprenorphine, based on all the current infomation that is available.

From my understanding, you need to be at at least 30mg in order to switch to buprenorphine, and you have to go through a short methadone withdrawal period in order to begin a buprenorphine regimine.

What i dont like about buprenorphine (i have tried the drug when i had a small tolerance and wasnt a big fan), is that it has a long half-life, though not as long as methadone's. This mean the wiithdrawal is longer.


What id rather do is to get down to maybe 60-80mg of methadone, then stop and go into withdrawals for around 24 hours, then start taking oxycontin, reduce my oxy dose, switch to norcos, and then finally go into rapid detox under anesthesia. I hope this works!

 

[blahblahblah]

Rapid detox is a scam...

Dont waste your money, bullshit.

A old girlfriend had it done @Uni. of Illinois chicago medical in addition to the rapid detox they also 'supposedly' cleaned her blood, yup recycled it through some machine.

When she woke up she felt like shit and had a HUGE urge to use. Tossed away the Naltraxone and fell back in the same rut.

I suppose it can work for some people, but you have to WANT IT. (period)

Instead of the Rapid detox you should look into Ibogaine therapy, although I have never tried it, I have heard some great sucess stories, the people at Ibogaine Association are great people. Ibogaine can help you get clean but it wont keep you clean, thats the problem.
http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/links.html

 

[silverfucked]

I suppose it can work for some people, but you have to WANT IT. (period)

This is true to withdrawing in any sense, quitting any drug, or bad habit for that matter. Antestetic detox is just to alleviate physical pain.. The mental you cannot escape from.

 

[negrogesic]

I am wary about rapid detox. I have also heard negative stories regarding it. I just need to see how fast i can get off this methadone nonesense, without feeling horrible.

 

[blahblahblah]

Speaking from having been stuck on Deathadone for over 2 years, I just hate that drug with a passion... anyways


I found that larger drops during higher dosages is not nearly as rough as the 20mg and under line. What I am trying to say is that if you are on 180mg (which is insanely huge dose if you ask me) why not drop 20mg per week. I am sure you can manage that till you at least get to 100mg (which is still a big dose) my advice would be to switch to what ever your previous addiction was..i.e. oxy, heroin, etc.

Methadone is evil (yup I said it) the drug is evil and it is so damn addicting and w/d pains are insane compared to even detoxing of H. Some rehabs wont even take patients that are detoxing off methadone. Symptoms can persist for months.

Get of the 'done as quick as possible even if that means going back to a heroin addiction. Some people might think of this as ludacrist but those are the ones that just dont know 'truly' about addiction.

Just a question...

Dont take this the wrong way, because its completely normal and I have seen it all over, shit even I have done it.

What drugs were you doing that you need 180mg of methadone to keep you well?

I know that many people inflate there opiate use when they go to a clinic for fear that the meth wont hold them or that they simply want to try to get high from it or to be able to keep some on the side for pocket-cashish.

How long have you been on the 'done?
How long did it take to get to 180mg?
Honestly, do you think 100-80mgs would hold you (or would of held you in the begining)

I think I topped out at 90mg but I was pulled aside by the owner of the clinic and was candidly told, get off this shit as soon as possible, this is bad stuff. Hearing this from the owners mouth made me look a little closer at the methadone market. $$$ is all that its about, getting better rarely comes into the picture.

Good luck

 

[negrogesic]

To answer your question, i was IVing 800mg+ oxycontin everyday. I was essentially on my way to the grave from shooting these solutions full of invisible particulates. I felt my body deteriorating, deep aching pain, despite all the oxy. I spent a large amount of money on this of course.

They put me on 80mg as an initial dose, becuase they knew i was seriously fucked. It didnt hold me. The kept on raising my dose, untill i got to the evil dose of 180mg, the state limit. They even raised my dose to 220 when i broke my ankle for pain control. I want to get off this poison. I know it binds to protein, something other opiods do not do. Once i get down to 60-80, or as low as possible, im going to switch to oxy or IV fentanyl. Then detox, maybe by rapid detox under general anesthesia, or cold turkey with benzos and clonodine. Thanks for your answer. Still, im in for some major discomfort.............

I have been on methadone since last november, so its relatively not that long.

Other responces would be of value.

 

[GottaRockDoc]

So sorry you're going through this.

My first detox was on methadone -- I was in a thirty day program, and the dosage dimished rapidly. I was probably only taking it for about 12 days. What I remember most is that I couldn't wait to get to the nurses station for my little orange cup of "medicine." Granted, my heroin habit wasn't that bad when I checked into detox -- but the methadone worked well, and I don't even remember having any withdrawal. I was extremely uncomfortable emotionally though...and I started using again within a week of my release. Simply treating the body doesn't treat the mind. When I had to go back into detox again, I was surrounded by people who were using methadone, either as maintenance or to kick -- and they were above and beyond having a harder time than those of us who were just kicking dope. While the mental anguish was likely equal, the physical pain was overwhellming for them. Especially for those who'd been on methadone for an extended period of time. Methadone IS evil, I agree -- it wasn't designed for detox, it was designed to keep junkies junkies. Take away their voice and reduce them to zombies dependent on the system as well as the drug.

I'm a pretty solid believer in a medical detox; I've written here before, but I kicked using ativan, robaxin, decreasing doses of Norco, clonopin and clonodine. And while it wasn't great, it didn't suck too horribly either. But once the detox was through, I started working through the other things that come with addiction -- the psychological stuff. And if I hadn't, I would still be getting high. It's not that difficult to stop, if you've made that decision -- but it's hard to stay stopped.

Best of luck,

GRD

 

[negrogesic]

I once took 360mg, then went 80 hours without another dose. It was the worse pain ive ever encountered. Non stop vomiting, the feeling of ants all over your body, deep bone pain................

Pure fucking hell. I think im gonna jump down 10mg at a time till i get to 100-120. The go slower. Then switch to oxycontin, the drug i orginally got on methadone to detox from, then turned into maintenance.............

 

[kristofires]

negro this is how you do it bro. i was on methadone for alomst 3 years bro. i highest dose i got to was 80mgs though. but anyways, you wont feel much of a difference going from 180mgs to 100mgs. so i recomend going from 180mgs to 100mgs over a months time. say 10mgs every monday go down till you hit 100mgs. once your at 100mgs stay there for a week or two to get use to it.


ok, then go down say 5mgs every monday till you hit between 60-80mgs. stay on that dose for a couple weeks if not longer. once you get comfortable at a dose of 50mgs you have to take it slwo man. like 3mgs max a week. this is what i did. then lower your dose every monday 2-3mgs. once you get below 50mgs you will start craving opiates again man, so be strong. 50mgs and higher is a blocking dose of other opiates.

so lets recap: from 180mgs to 100mgs drop 10mgs every monday until you hit 100mgs. once you get to 100mgs, stay for a couple weeks so you get use to it. personally nobody needs to be on a dose above 100mgs unless they have been on the stuff for 15 years.

see the only way to keep feeling the methadone you have to increase your dose, which sucks. thats why i didnt wanna go above 80mgs.

this is how i did it negro: i was on 80mgs and dropped 5 mgs every monday till i reached 30mgs. once i hit 30mgs i walked off the clinic cause they pissed me off. my clinic was privately owned and everyone that worked there were assholes. so i walked off at 30mgs. i then checked myself into a detox center for 5 days and they gave me darvon 65's and 25mgs of librium every 4 hours.

i came out of the detox center feeling great. i did not get the least bit sick while i was in the detox center. gods honest truth. so here i am. i do opiates once a week, sometimes twice. i have been getting the 40mg methadone tablets from a buddy of mine. so i take one a week and i have no withdrawls and havent been dope sick in over 7 months.

feel free to call me man. im moving to austin texas next week though. where are you at negro? in the usa? is your clinic state funded or privately owned? state funded clinics are like 3 bucks a dose. here in florida its 12$ a day. good luck. email me or pm me if you want my number to call me and talk about this alittle more in detail.

 

[kristofires]

I once took 360mg, then went 80 hours without another dose. It was the worse pain ive ever encountered. Non stop vomiting, the feeling of ants all over your body, deep bone pain................

Pure fucking hell. I think im gonna jump down 10mg at a time till i get to 100-120. The go slower. Then switch to oxycontin, the drug i orginally got on methadone to detox from, then turned into maintenance.............

better yet, get some heroin or dilaudids cause the half life is shorter than oxys.