hi all. i tend to ramble on these so i'll try to keep this short and sweet. i've been an opiate junky for YEARS...never cared for benzos, however i have HORRIBLY anxiety issues which cause debilitating panic attacks. i used to be prescribed ativan and klonopin which worked wonders. i've only tried xanax a few times, and honestly they just put me to sleep before i noticed the effects. i've been on methadone maintenance at a steady dose of 70mg for about 3 months. i have NO medical insurance so i cant afford to get a script for anti anxiety meds which i desperately need! my friend however gave me a handful of xanax bars to help get me through til i find some ativan or klonopins, which i know i can safely take with my dones. i usually take 2mg-4mg of ativan while on my normal dose of 70mg dones and i feel fine...maybe a bit drowsy. honestly 2mg ativan is usually enough unless its a bad one. anywho, the past 4 days i've been experimenting with the xanax. the first two days i took 1mg, which helped tremendously wit the anxiety!!! however, it kinda made me EXTREMELY TIRED about 6 hours after i took em. and i was very afraid to fall asleep after reading all of the death stories of ppl mixing dones and xanax and not waking up! the second night my wife woke me up saying i was breathing strangely...like i was stopping breathing. later that night i woke up litterally holding my breath! i dunno what that was all about...kinda scary. yesterday i took 1.5mg cuz i had a pretty bad attack, and again it just made me horrendously tired about 6 hours after injestion, but i forced myself to stay up until 12 hours after injestion just to make sure that at least one half life cycle went by before i went to sleep. this morn i had a job interview and i was having a BAAAAD panic attack so foolishly i took an entire bar which is 2mg. im kinda scared...should i be worried about this? what signs should i watch out for? from what i've read most ppl die from passing out and not waking up...if i wait at least 12 hrs after injestion so that at least one half life cylce went by do u think i would be ok to fall asleep by then? any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!! thx all!!! LONG LIVE BLUELIGHT!!! i would've been dead years and years ago if it werent for bluelight and all of the wonderful angels on this site! BLESS YOU ALL! This site has had to have saved millions of lives...sites like this gives me hope for humanity...just when i was lsoing faith, bluelight proves that there are still awesome caring wonderful ppl out there! I LOVE YOU ALL!!!
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Benzos methadone and xanax deadly? any advice?
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sekio
Bluelight Crew
Methadone and any benzodiazepines will potentiate each others effects.
The best option is to avoid using xanax at all if it knocks you down that strongly. If you OD on methadone and benzos there's a good chance you won't even notice it, you'll just fall out and stop breathing or choke, and there will be nothing you can do to stop it. You can try to stay awake but it's no guarantee you actually will. So just leave the Xanax alone if you value your life. Even having it around, that leaves the possibility you'll take a bunch of it in a drug fueled stupor, and then regret it later.
Stick with your Ativan.
If you find yourself having panic attacks on the regular you should see a doctor or therapist rather than using high doses of benzos on a regular basis. Benzos are meant to be a temporary emergency solution, not a long-term treatment.
The best option is to avoid using xanax at all if it knocks you down that strongly. If you OD on methadone and benzos there's a good chance you won't even notice it, you'll just fall out and stop breathing or choke, and there will be nothing you can do to stop it. You can try to stay awake but it's no guarantee you actually will. So just leave the Xanax alone if you value your life. Even having it around, that leaves the possibility you'll take a bunch of it in a drug fueled stupor, and then regret it later.
Stick with your Ativan.
If you find yourself having panic attacks on the regular you should see a doctor or therapist rather than using high doses of benzos on a regular basis. Benzos are meant to be a temporary emergency solution, not a long-term treatment.
right, but the problem is i DONT HAVE any ativan! trust me i would stick wit the ativan if i could!!! i fucking hate xanax! i loathe valium! i only like ativan and klonopin, but as i stated before i have no insurance and unfortunately i just lost my job so i cant even get a fucking doctor who can prescribe anything to see me without an upfront payment of a few hundred dollars which i DO NOT HAVE! its a much more feasable option for me to buy a $4 xanax bar...now do u see my predicament?
In my country (Spain) between the addicts to opiates there are more deaths by mix methadone with benzodiacepines and alcohol than by heroin overdoses. This is because people in maintenance with high doses of methadone mix it with high doses of the benzodiacepine Trankimazin (alprazolam, the spanish Xanax wich is also of Pfizer) and drink alcohol simultaneously. This causes a dangerous CNS depression wich can lead to respiratory arrest. SWIM mix methadone with Valium and Trankimazin but he knows the doses he may use so there is no danger.
pinpoint
Bluelighter
sekio, I wonder if Etizolam or Xanax combined with a moderate dose of Kratom would pose any threat to a user?
Smoky
Bluelight Crew
How are you? Did you make it? I sometimes think I may die in the night when sleeping. I've heard when I have (or folks have), multiple drugs in their system, " don't fall asleep." Although, that statement is a bit oxymoronic obviously, as I personally can't sleep without them. I relate, just took some of those green bars trying to get completely off H myself. I have cut down about 50 % and had to use some xanax for panic attacks but now (3 days later), I'm finding myself stuck! When the dope runs out I have also used Methadone in-between so I can work. I am waiting on covered california insurance myself and need to get out of this cycle (can't believe i'm in it 8 years later again). When I cut them all off completely my carpal tunnel pain ... hits the roof and it takes me 3 hours to feel anything in my hands in the middle of the night, I almost go to the ER it's so painful. And if I have the heroin on my shelf near my bed I have to take about 5 hits to decrease the pain. This is so very odd (although another topic).
Last time I withdrew I was given long acting benzos. Not that you don't know about those types already. The shorter acting ones really mess me up and cause more anxiety. I think diazepam and another one (doubt its sold on the street), but called Tranzene are very long acting. You may already be aware of this and have stated which one's you prefer. All I know is I'm in a somewhat similar situation and in the past those 2 benzos helped me taper off everything. They will stay in one's system 3 days I think. Good luck and thank you for your post, I hope you are okay.
Last time I withdrew I was given long acting benzos. Not that you don't know about those types already. The shorter acting ones really mess me up and cause more anxiety. I think diazepam and another one (doubt its sold on the street), but called Tranzene are very long acting. You may already be aware of this and have stated which one's you prefer. All I know is I'm in a somewhat similar situation and in the past those 2 benzos helped me taper off everything. They will stay in one's system 3 days I think. Good luck and thank you for your post, I hope you are okay.
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This combination has taken more lives than all the other drug combinations combined in the people I have known.
I just thought I would point out a few things for you to think about..
Imagine what they will do when the incredibly potent synergism with methadone happens.
if your in the states then why dont you take some time to go to the government healthcare website as if your on limited funds your health care will be free and will likely also pay for your dones. If your not on limited income then get some bloody heath insurance. https://www.healthcare.gov/
Don't mean to dig into you. this combination and especially the way you are deciding to take them is dangerous and does not in the long run end up doing you much good. belive me I know how good xanax and methadone make a person feal.. one of the best synergies of all time, but also without a sliver of doubt one of the most dangerous.
It also provides the a dredge for us to dig a black whole which we either die in or make the monumental climb out of.. most people dig with a shovel or a backhoe.. this is digging with a dredge. I know this from personal experience as when I jumped and got clean, i jumped from a 150 mgpd methadone, 26o mgpd oxy, 6mgpd xanax long term habit.. and thats just what I was prescribed.
When I kicked I didn't sleep for almost two weeks.. I was in acute withdrawal for almost two months.. a dredge can dig such a huge hole.. and for a long time before I kicked I didn't get high off this dose.. its just what I needed to function.
Anxiety is an emotion that tells you your living your life in a way that does not agree with you and it feels miserable to try and motivate you to make changes. Once you make the changes you need it goes away. If you try and ignore it for a long time through the use of drugs then the brian gets irritated and selects new weapons.. pain is usually a localized emotion, but circumvent the system long enough and it can become a mood (fibromyalgia), and there are so many more weapons this system has.. chronic fatigue, irritable bowel.. just saying your likely fighting an unwinnable war.. so you might decide to identify and address the issues that are causing you discomfort.. then you can go back to taking drugs for recreation.
Hope you figure this out.. given where I have been and what I know I wouldn't have slept right if I didn't call it as I see it and I love my sleep. you may want to address your problems instead of rationalizing reasons to dig this hole
I just thought I would point out a few things for you to think about..
said no one but you ever!!?
Imagine what they will do when the incredibly potent synergism with methadone happens.
if your in the states then why dont you take some time to go to the government healthcare website as if your on limited funds your health care will be free and will likely also pay for your dones. If your not on limited income then get some bloody heath insurance. https://www.healthcare.gov/
I had a severe anxiety disorder that lasted for two decades until I cured it. I also had panic attacks and was on xanax for twenty years.. i just mention this so you know I have been where you go.. what is the point of taking 1.5 mg because you had a panic attack.. you may want to have as small a dose on board to try and prevent this from happening as opposed to laying yourself out after it does?
Don't mean to dig into you. this combination and especially the way you are deciding to take them is dangerous and does not in the long run end up doing you much good. belive me I know how good xanax and methadone make a person feal.. one of the best synergies of all time, but also without a sliver of doubt one of the most dangerous.
It also provides the a dredge for us to dig a black whole which we either die in or make the monumental climb out of.. most people dig with a shovel or a backhoe.. this is digging with a dredge. I know this from personal experience as when I jumped and got clean, i jumped from a 150 mgpd methadone, 26o mgpd oxy, 6mgpd xanax long term habit.. and thats just what I was prescribed.
When I kicked I didn't sleep for almost two weeks.. I was in acute withdrawal for almost two months.. a dredge can dig such a huge hole.. and for a long time before I kicked I didn't get high off this dose.. its just what I needed to function.
Anxiety is an emotion that tells you your living your life in a way that does not agree with you and it feels miserable to try and motivate you to make changes. Once you make the changes you need it goes away. If you try and ignore it for a long time through the use of drugs then the brian gets irritated and selects new weapons.. pain is usually a localized emotion, but circumvent the system long enough and it can become a mood (fibromyalgia), and there are so many more weapons this system has.. chronic fatigue, irritable bowel.. just saying your likely fighting an unwinnable war.. so you might decide to identify and address the issues that are causing you discomfort.. then you can go back to taking drugs for recreation.
Hope you figure this out.. given where I have been and what I know I wouldn't have slept right if I didn't call it as I see it and I love my sleep. you may want to address your problems instead of rationalizing reasons to dig this hole
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OntarioGuy
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Dude if u say u can take 2-4 mgs of ativan take 1 mg of xanax ,I can't see u dying from that
I would suggest even less xanax. Most people are prescribed 0.5mg at first (or 0.25mg in some cases at first) so considering the synergy that happens between the methadone and xanax I see no reason to take more than 0.5mg.
Even when I was on it for years 1mg did the trick for me as long as I waited for it to fully work, so that goes to show you are taking too much.
Just because people pop 2mg xanax to get 'barred out' doesn't mean you need a dose like that.
Even when I was on it for years 1mg did the trick for me as long as I waited for it to fully work, so that goes to show you are taking too much.
Just because people pop 2mg xanax to get 'barred out' doesn't mean you need a dose like that.
But don't you think he needs to take it a therapeutic dose before he has the attacks, instead of loading up after?
Pill__Head
Bluelighter
Methadone plus benzos is a serious deal. I recently OD from methdone ( I was on 120mg/day maintence) But I took 150mg and I think it was about 6mg Etizolam I took... I went to work, and the next thing I knew I was waking up in a frickin' hospital ICU with a breathing tube waaaaay down my throat ( I was intubated & on a breathing machine), godamn cathader up my penis hole all the way into my bladder
. God let me tell you, the worst pain is having that thing pulled out..
You know this OD really caught me off guard, I have a big tolerance for benzos and opiates bein on 120mg/day 'done..thats why you never know, even if you have a tolerance it can still get ya! Lol. Anyways thats my input on the whole Methadone + Benzos, it doesnt matter if its just Xanax dude, all godamn Benzos and benzo analogues indeed do cause CNS depression... Its a VERY Dangerous combo to take...tread lightly. %)
. God let me tell you, the worst pain is having that thing pulled out..You know this OD really caught me off guard, I have a big tolerance for benzos and opiates bein on 120mg/day 'done..thats why you never know, even if you have a tolerance it can still get ya! Lol. Anyways thats my input on the whole Methadone + Benzos, it doesnt matter if its just Xanax dude, all godamn Benzos and benzo analogues indeed do cause CNS depression... Its a VERY Dangerous combo to take...tread lightly. %)
QFT.
Just curious and not refuting, what are the non emotional natures of fibro that you are aware of.. I only ask because this subject significantly interests me, so any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Well as someone (like you) who was prescribed benzos daily for over 8 years I don't think that anybody should be on them except for extreme cases, so basically if you can leave the house and sleep at night without constantly fearing that you will die then you shouldn't be on them. And if you do need them then it should be for the shortest amount of time possible since the withdrawal symptoms from it mirror the symptoms you experience that made you take them in the first place, so it's a real tough time getting off of them.
I couldn't tell you when my anxiety got better since I was dependent on xanax whenever I would try to get off so I didn't know if my symptoms were being caused by withdrawal or legit anxiety, but what I can tell you is that after a month of being off of them my anxiety was about the same as it was during the majority of my time on the benzos, so I stopped needing them at some point but I don't know when, but I'm sure it was from years before I actually got off of it but the withdrawals had been so bad that I pretty much never went more than 24 hours without xanax for my 5 years on it, and only went more than 24 hours a handful of times after switching to valium since its longer half-life allowed me to make it almost 2 days without that bad of withdrawal the few times I found myself in situations where I couldn't take it as soon as I wanted to.
But back to what you were saying, I agree to an extent but it can also lead to taking it more often than needed since using it as a preventive measure means there will be many times you will be taking when you wouldn't end up needing it. That's why it may be better to just use a small dose when you feel you need it, but it's obviously best to use non medicinal means of treatment.
Just don't. I took some once and Ive been on, no joke, heroin exstacy ketamine cocaine xanax and alcohol at once and I was concerned about how slow I was breathing I picked up a shift at work to stay awake. Just dont take xanax with methadone.
Screaming_Skull
Bluelighter
Wierd, I'm pretty sure I replied to this thread and now my reply is gone? I don't think I gave any bad advice at all in my reply, even told them to go to the ER if they felt iffy..strange. Been having trouble posting sometims lately, so maybe that's it? But know my reply was on the thread because I re-read it....
Yes guys...i ended up waking up this morn. no issues at all. once again i got SUPER tired at about 6pm, which was about 6 hours after injesction of the xanax. i dont understand why exactly it only makes me tired 6 hours after i take it..kinda weird. anyway, my wife came home early at like 8pm and woke me up, fed me some food, and we fucked like animals for about 4 hours. then i slept like a fucking rock until the morning. as far as i know i havent had any trouble breathing while asleep. as i read before, most ppl die from "passing out and stopping breathing". I take my xanax in the morning or early afternoon, that way it has a chance to get through at least one half life cycle before i go to sleep so i figure i have less of a chance of having the breathing issues with the cns depressants. this morning i took another full bar, and feel great. i honestly dont take em to feel "high". it honestly doesnt make me high, it just takes all my anxiety away and makes me much more easy going and carefree. i can just brush things off my shoulder so easy and not let lifes bullshit affect me as easy which is VERY IMPORTANT with a HIGH STRESS job such as mine. it litterally eats away at my mental health and self esteem and i really need that boost of confidence to just be able to brush shit off my shoulder and get on with my day. the xanax honestly really helps wit my depression too. i've tried taking a slough of anti-depressants and EVERY single one made me feel VERY ILL!!! either sick to my stomach or dizzy as hell, like so dizzy i literally couldnt walk straight. they made me feel terrible!!! im really starting to love xanax, but honestly id much rather try to find a doc to get me back on klonopin and or ativan which was my best combo. my doc used to have me take 1mg klonopin daily, and the ativan when needed if having an attack which was a great one-two combo in my opinion. i would honestly actually just like to skip taking the kpins this time tho. i'd rather not take a pill EVERY SINGLE DAY...i just want the ativan to take when needed. i hate over-prescribing. and as i said before...i dont abuse benzos. i dont care for the "benzo buzz". definitely not my cup of tea. honestly my fav high was methadone. but now that im on maintenance thats never gonna happen ever again lol. i honestly havent been high in months. i dont even drink or smoke weed. i used to be on suboxone maintenance for two years. i was on 16mg a day, which IMO was waaaaay tooo much. i had to quit em cold turkey with no notice too. jumping from 16mg to nothing was FUCKED UP! i locked myself in my room for two weeks and barely made it out alive. the only thing i had to help ease the pain was a quarter bag of weed and about 25-1mg klonopin. the kpins honestly saved my life through that ordeal. but anywho, id also like to state for the record that the methadone maintenance has been WORLDS better than suboxone maintenance!!! even my fiance thinks so and she hates ANY kind of drug. the subs KILLED my sex drive, which drove my old lady nuts since shes a fuckin nympho...on dones i can fuck all night like a god damn machine!...not tryin to toot my horn or anything, just saying lol. Nothing makes you feel like less of a man than not being able to sexually please your wife on a day to day basis. it fucking killed me. she said the subs would make me seem "doped up and drowsy"...the dones dont have any kind of drowsy effect on me or make me feel doped up at all. she honestly cant even tell im on the methadone. the subs would often give me bad headaches and migraines too, which so far the dones havent done whatsoever. Both of them do seem to give me horrid constipation, which is a battle of its own. They both seem to keep my cravings at bay just as good. Plus dones are damn near half as expensive as subs! So far the only downside is with the subs i would go see the doc once a month and he would write me a monthly script. wit the dones i gotta go drive to the clinic every morning super early to dose, which is a SUPER pain in the ass...but honestly thats the only downside i can find. So in my opinion after all the bad shit i've heard over the years about methadone maint being so horrible...i've been on both sides of the spectrum and i gotta say dones have been waaaay better to me than subs ever were! However i do hear that the dones are harder to actually quit than the subs, that i cannot say since im still on the dones. the subs were pretty hard. honestly the i expected the subs to be harder to quit, it was bearable, dont get me wrong, it was one of the worst experiences of my fucking life, but i still expected it to be much worse...but i think i could handle that again. i honestly fear having to quit the dones. i've been steadily on 70mg for about 3 months. i think imma lower it down to 60 next week and aim to drop it 5mg every week after that. my only fear is that i know im going to piss dirty any time now since i've been having to take the xanax for my anxiety, and i dont have a script. i really hope they dont kick me out. from what i hear they give you a chance or two if u piss dirty, its not like one fuck up and ur out, but im still worried.
any by the way thank you all for your advice and love so far. just the fact that you took the time out of your day to help such a tool like myself deal with my stupid white male problems is beyond my comprehension. there are soooo many other people out there that have it so much worse than me, and thats another thing that keeps me going, just knowing that no matter how bad it gets, a million others have it so much worse and would trade places with me in a heartbeat. i am truly blessed no matter how shitty my life seems, and i think everyone should look at life like that. Not to be preachy or anything, im FAR from religious and im not tryin to get on a soapbox here, but just remember that everyday above ground is a good day, thats why its called 'the present'. its a gift. My time will come, as will yours, and there is no avoiding that. Im just trying to extend my life as much as possible by not dying by mixing dones and xanax, not for myself, but for my family. I live for them. I have a fiance and two wonderful boys that are 3 and 5. They are my step-kids, but their dead-beat father wants nothing to do with them and hasent even seen them in years. they dont even know their father. I am all they have, so as far as I am concerned, they may not be my flesh and blood, but they are MY children. my blood doesnt run through their veins, but my wisdom and morals build their character and actions and I believe that surpasses blood relation any day. I would love them no more if they had my blood. They are my children, my family, my reason to breathe. Honestly thats what changed my life and made me want to stop using and get clean. I became a father of two overnight. It turned my world around. Anyway, Im starting to sound like a pompous ass..point being, thank you all for your help, and if you still have any tips, or advice with the whole benzo and methadone thing, please do let me know if you would be so kind to take the time out of your day to help a fool such as me get my shitty life back on track for the sake of my wonderful family.