Meth as a substitute for E

[Fujicrow]

I've been trying meth for the first times lately and it hadn't really impressed me. But then I tried it as a club drug yesterday for the first time...I did quite a bit and drank some beers. I felt so good, happy and sociable that it was a bit like E, only with more energy and with a longer duration. Needless to say, I fell in love with meth 4 clubbing...
I was planning on taking a break from E, and using meth as a substitute for the time being. How harmful is a weekly (only on saturdays) meth habit? More or less than E?

 

[Deus121]

Its not going to be harmful to the same systems as MDMA. But, if your going to get "spun", its definatly not the best thing for your brain. Also the tendency to turn into more than a "weekend" thing is a very large possibility. So use caution.

 

[zorn]

Well, meth can be neurotoxic; however, this only happens with rather large, sustained use. Just using it to go clubbing on the weekends won't hurt your brain. As Deus said, it is relatively easy to get addicted and let your use escalate, so watch out for that.

 

[househead]

my opinion is that meth is evil, it has the worst affects on your brain, but then again, taking e every weekend is pretty bad too. i like to let my serotnin build up to its maximum every few months and take e, then i can enjoy it more. if your looking for a replacement, i would go with acid or mushrooms, for me thats way better.

 

[Deus121]

Meth isn't evil. Worst effects on the brain? Come on, it all depends on moderation. Go spout your tales of evil axe wielding drugs in the Dark Side.

 

[Fujicrow]

Hmmm the need for a replacement drug is not because of some mental problem or anything, quite the contrary. I´m in the middle of my holidays and have a 4 week period to enjoy it to the fullest. This includes clubbing and drugs, but I just won't roll 4 weeks in a row, it's a fucking killer...
meth is a good substitute I believe, if you're ready to fight its very acute addictive properties.
[ 17 December 2001: Message edited by: Fujicrow ]

 

[fairnymph]

Doing meth in the doses that most people do it in (about like 60 or so mg, of pure crystal, or more, orally) is in fact neurotoxic. However, if you are doing it orally, and in low/moderate doses, only on weekends, then it isn't TOO bad. I'd say about as bad as e, maybe sligthly less. It really depends how much you do it, and how much of it you do. Snorting and smoking meth is really bad for you, however.
As for a substitute for e....e used to be my favorite drug, then I stopped enjoying it, and I disliked feeling so fucked up. Now meth is my favorite drug, so I think it's a common trend...

 

[Fujicrow]

quick reply...
Hmmm E is still my favorite drug, but you can't do it that often...I'm in no way betraying my beloved MDMA for my beloved Meth...I'm just two-timing
and yes, I only ingest meth orally...I hate snorting and smoking (as a matter of fact I hate weed and tabacco), and injecting is out of the question.

 

[starlightgemini]

you sound like me 4 months ago when i discovered meth. i was getting sick of rolling, and a lot of my friends had done crystal, so i decided to try it, and feel IN LOVE very hard and very fast.

Originally posted by Fujicrow:
How harmful is a weekly (only on saturdays) meth habit?
unless you have super-human self control and can resist supreme temptation both mind and body...there is no way in hell you will JUST be doing it on saturdays. the comedown for meth (at least for me) is absolutely horrible (yet i still love it). thats one of the reasons most people just keep taking it...to avoid that feeling. i'm not a hard-core addict, but i've gone on some crazy tweaking binges. after a 3 week binge...then when you stop...you just wanna die. "only saturday" will turn into "i should buy a little extra to get me through sunday"...blah blah blah.
b4 i even TRIED crystal, all my friends warned me to be careful. its HIGHLY addictive. i thought i'd be fine. i was wrong. so my advice to you is to be very careful. i didn't see a problem with me getting fucked up one day a week (on whatever it was i was doing) but now i DO see a problem with me having to do a line of meth to get out of bed in the morning. and having to take off of work for a few days to "plan" when i'm going to take a break from tweaking. cause i need time to recover. anyways...enough about me. just be careful and know what you're dealing with. not everybody gets addicted to it, but i can tell you its very easy to.
*** starlight ***
p.s--if you wanna hear more about my experiences or whatever, you can email me at: [email protected]

 

[Fujicrow]

maybe I'm not getting my message across...
I am not sick of rolling. I love it, and I still roll hard and it has retained its magic. But for E to be a magical thing, it has to be done in moderation.
Enter meth as a fill-in drug to add spice to some clubbing nights.
I don't see what you are talking about when u say it takes a superhuman strong will to combat its addiction. I mean maybe I didn't take that much, but I don't feel bad at all today, after 8 hours of sleep. Just a bit tired, but then again, even E made me feel a bit tired the next day! Where is the comedown from hell? So far, I believe as long as u keep meth use as an casual thing (everyonce in a while) addiction is not an issue.

 

[acid_raver]

meth is for gay people

 

[zorn]

Ugh, well, I checked it out again, cause fairnymph's usually right.... it seems my info is a little old. "The notion that only extraordinarily high doses of methamphetamine can produce DA neurotoxicity needs to be reconsidered" says a surprised recent article[1] based on baboons using 4x 0.5mg/kg q2h, but then goes on to cite conflicting evidence finding no damage in humans. It may be that humans are especially resitant to meth toxicity, as they may be to MDMA toxicity. I'll read up some more and maybe post something over in Health Q&A, where those who don't believe antidrug research can take some shots at it.
At this point I'm going to guess normal doses orally are harmless.... but repeat dosing/binging could well put you in the danger range. 60mg pure meth seems a bit of high figure; 20-40mg is more normal, I think. Assuming meth is the same potency as d-amphetamine (actually its higher), I would never take more than 8 10mg Adderall at once, which is ~40mg d-amp.
Still, if you're going to do meth, I'll recommend now TAKE VITAMIN C, a couple grams through the experience, just like you would with MDMA. The neurotoxicity is similarly from oxidative stress, so there's a decent shot it could help... and it certainly won't hurt!
-Zorn
[1] Villemagne V et al. Brain Dopamine Neurotoxicity in Baboons Treated with Doses of Methamphetamine Comparable to Those Recreationally Abused by Humans: Evidence from [11C]WIN-35,428 Positron Emission Tomography Studies and Direct In Vitro Determinations.
J Neuroscience 18(1):419-427 (199 8)

 

[Carpe Noctem]

That's funny - - i crush up E and snort it to alleviate cravings for crystal meth.

 

[PhreeX]

Ahhh... a little meth use on the weekends wont hurt anything... just make sure it stays to the weekends or you can fidn yourself pulling a PhreeX, unloading 17 round clips from fully automatic weappons into the bushes because you thought DEA agetns were hiding in them...
Actually, I kinda miss that lifestyle... but it's bad, very bad, don't do it kids! Ammo is expensive when you're trying to manage a meth habbit too (unless you make your own!)

 

[euphoria83ca]

PhreeX thats prolly my favourite post i have ever read by you. the weekend thing is true, just rail a point or two(0.1gr) and your good to go. it bothers me how some people sit out side all night and smoke like two grams, and miss like most of a party, and come in for the last five minutes. but whatever floats your boat.
meth is bad all in all.
[ 17 December 2001: Message edited by: euphoria83ca ]