MEth and ICE

[insanity]

I been doing ice for a long time but when i talked to my boy about Getting ice he said "are you crazy Ice is 4 times stronger cause its medical or something . What you are getting from me is crystal meth but everyone call it crystal or ice which is the same thing i though
so the question is is it or not??

 

[StuffedTiger]

I don't even do meth, but I'm pretty sure ice is just good meth, like glass.
EDIT- alright so I was wrong. Apparently ice is 4-ma. Who knew?
[ 06 March 2002: Message edited by: StuffedTiger ]

 

[Roches]

4-MA? no idea.
exactly what "ice" means depends on the area. for some people it means just really "strong" crystal (not cut), which is probably easier to smoke. the official government definition is that ice is freebase methamphetamine, but i think that's just a false analogy to crack -- freebasing cocaine makes it easier to smoke and therefore an ideal ghetto drug, but freebasing methamphetamine, as far as i know, turns it into a useless oil.
it's definitely not medical. pharmaceutical-grade crystal wouldn't be any stronger than pure street crystal. if the crystals are large and transparent, then it's fairly pure.

 

[Methanfelony]

Ice technically refers to 4-methylaminorex, although, admittedly, many people refer to higher grade meth as ice, albeit incorrectly. So, to answer your question, no, ice is not the same thing as crystal meth - many people just refer to it that way.
Also, your friend was correct about its potency - the high from 4-MA lasts about 14-16 hours. However, someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[PhreeX]

ENOUGH OF THIS STUPID SLANG SHIT! On this board we are going to honor "4-methylaminorex" as "ICE" .. high-grade meth is "Glass" ... though since few people have evven heard of 4-methylaminorex, it's safe to assume "your boy" was refering to meth...
Just ask him if it's meth, actually, he sounds like an idiot, you should avoid people like that!
[ 07 March 2002: Message edited by: PhreeX ]

 

[Sneek]

ICE and meth are very different.
for starters ice is generally water based, (thus little to no black residue) and is more evaporated through a special pipe, than smoked.
meth is oil based,and can be evaporated but is substantially less good,and leaves a yucky black residue.
there's a lot of other differences,but fucked if i could be bothered going into them now.
also,note that if you are smoking Ice, it is very fucking addictive, and it's not too much fun when you suddenly realize you've gone from doing it every second weekend,to every weekend,to three times a week....to several times a day.
trust me.

 

[quale]

Sneek it looks like you missed out on the board convention of ICE being 4-ME or you are misunderstood. Meth can perfectly come as pure crystals (ok meth HCL).
What do you mean water/oil based this makes no sense to me...are you talking about dissolvability? This seems like non-sense.
Finally any statement like "are you crazy its like four times stronger because its medical or something" guarantees the speaker is a fucking drug moron (if its four times stronger take 1/4 you fuckign moron)

 

[CuriousCub]

so, in the most accurate sense, it's only ICE,and not glass, that refers to 4-MA?
I thought both ice and glass referred to the same thing.
As for meth, it's always just a shorthand term for crystal meth, right? there is no seperation of meth and crystal meth?
as for any of these versions of methamphetamine, aren't they all essentially smokable?
plenty of people in my area smoke tweak, which here refers to low-grade meth, as that's what's mostly produced here.
I never understood why ice is referred to as the
"smokable" type when all or any versions of meth can be smoked. Ice is commonly taken in other ways besides smoking it, anyway, right?

 

[UrGoat]

Ice = 4-methylaminorex - a speed like high that lasts longer. Related to Pemoline (Cylert).
Glass = Methamphetamine Hcl - crystal meth, shards.
meth = methamphetamine
tweak = Meth, in various forms. I've heard it used to mean crank (see below), along with glass (see above), even Adderal (amphetamine).
crank = Methamphetamine sulfate, or meth made poorly, mixed with chemicals that are unwanted, like idodine, phosphorus, etc. Also meth cut with stuff to increase it's bulk, like vitamin C, etc.
Meth does not equal Ice. You can smoke any meth. you can smoke ice. Ice is dumb slang for glass. Teach people the difference. If "yer nigga" actually found hisself some 4-methylaminorex, then...well, give me an e-mail.
As for Sneek, does water based and oil based refer to polar and non-polar, respecively? That confused me.

 

[CuriousCub]

Originally posted by UrGoat:
Ice = 4-methylaminorex - a speed like high that lasts longer. Related to Pemoline (Cylert).
Glass = Methamphetamine Hcl - crystal meth, shards.
meth = methamphetamine
tweak = Meth, in various forms. I've heard it used to mean crank (see below), along with glass (see above), even Adderal (amphetamine).
crank = Methamphetamine sulfate, or meth made poorly, mixed with chemicals that are unwanted, like idodine, phosphorus, etc. Also meth cut with stuff to increase it's bulk, like vitamin C, etc.
Meth does not equal Ice. You can smoke any meth. you can smoke ice. Ice is dumb slang for glass. Teach people the difference. If "yer nigga" actually found hisself some 4-methylaminorex, then...well, give me an e-mail.
As for Sneek, does water based and oil based refer to polar and non-polar, respecively? That confused me.
based on your list of descriptions, which type of meth is most prevalent in general?
those "unwanted" chemicals in making the crank version of methamphetamine...i thought they were actually necessary in order to produce it?
also, does methamphetamine derive from 4-methylaminorex, or vice-versa?
which was synthesised first? did amphetamine come before methamphetamine?

 

[Methanfelony]

I'm pretty sure 4-methylaminorex wasn't even synthesized until the 1960's, but I could be wrong...

 

[CuriousCub]

Originally posted by Methanfelony:
I'm pretty sure 4-methylaminorex wasn't even synthesized until the 1960's, but I could be wrong...
I read, on a site similar in nature to www.streetdrugs.org, that ice (4-meth) wasn't synthesised till the 70's, and it was being done in Hawaii. This info doesn't sound fully accurate tho...
It also stated that the effects of ice are different than meth (which version of meth, since we now understand there are so many, it doesn't indicate) in terms of areas that i would find it really hard to differ in, considering it's first and foremost a stimulant: on ice, your heart rate doesn't increase much, and it's more of a mental euphoria, whereas meth does the complete opposite.
Again, how accurate is this?
On http://www.streetdrugs.org/methamphetamine.htm,
take a look at how skewed their info is:
"The street version of methamphetamine is most often manufactured illegally in underground labs. It is also known as "speed" or "crystal" when it is swallowed or sniffed; as "crank" when it is injected; and as "ice" when it is smoked."
So the type of meth will vary depending on how you choose to take it...ha.

 

[UrGoat]

based on your list of descriptions, which type of meth is most prevalent in general?
I wish I could say. If and when I venture towards meth, I go for crystal.

those "unwanted" chemicals in making the crank version of methamphetamine...i thought they were actually necessary in order to produce it?
You need them, but the fact that they are there in the end product means that you isolated the methamphetamine poorly. Those necessary chemicals shouldn't be in the end product. They need to be taken out.

as "crank" when it is injected
Don't inject crank. Maybe it's just me and my upbringing, but something tells me that injecting the dirtiest and least pure form of a drug isn't the wisest thing to do. But I'm just an old goat...Swallowing crystal? What a fucking waste...Inject THAT!

and as "ice" when it is smoked."
I guess the crack-heads at streetdrugs.org get some magickal fairy meth that turns into 4-MA when smoked. God...don't I wish.
I guess the only logical explanation is that streetdrugs.org sucks my goat balls. It's a shame, but I see no way around that.

 

[Denial]

Meth = methamphetamine
Ice = 4-methylaminorex
Generally the same... ice is just 'better' though... not really sure how to quantify it though...
Beware... sometimes dealers/ignorant friends call meth "ice" when they really just mean its in nice crystals and not a peanutbutter goo...
Ice is ice
meth is meth
Peace.

 

[BOGBUBBLE]

Is ice really better? I wanna hear from someone with experience with the drug!