Stimulants Meth and Defibrillators

[rancidrocker]

hello, my friend has a Defibrillator implant, and is really keen to try meth, i am totally not going to advocate that, my question is, i think his pretty much going to do it anyway, does anyone have any experiences with what can happen, the risks are known to him, he will not listen to anyone, so i figure i would rather be there when he does and if anything goes wrong what can i suggest (other then calling an ambulance) to give him to slow his heart rate down to a normal level.

also are there any actual articals on this topic as ive tried to find the effets of Defibrillators and meth and cant find anything.

 

[tricomb]

There is absolutely no way you can use methamphetamine if you have a defibrillator implant. Something can, and will go wrong.

Do. Not. Proceed.

 

[Albion]

There is absolutely no way you can use methamphetamine if you have a defibrillator implant. Something can, and will go wrong.

Do. Not. Proceed.

Exactly this. Defibs, pacemakers, any equipment that keeps your heart ticking over should not be messed with through stimulant use, least of all methamphetamine, which is one of the most hardcore stimulants going.

As Tricomb says, the chances of something going badly wrong are far too high to make this a risk worth taking.

 

[tricomb]

Trust me, methamphetamine is not worth myocardial infarction, or ANY kind of cardiac arrest.

Why do you want to do methamphetamine anyways? If it's for the euphoria, there are many other, more benign substances for that...

By the way, welcome to Bluelight.

 

[rancidrocker]

thank you, i agree, and will show him these responses, what i am looking for is actual articles from medical websites, because i am about to call up his doctor and say whats going on in his mind, i fear that its more of a depression thing where he just wants to harm himself, i use meth daily and i live a normal life, but i also have ADHD and use very small amounts for my own reasons. it doesnt effect me in any way the same as other people, and i will never ever ever suggest anyone else use it. i can not and will not let him try it, i fear its just a heart attack waiting to happen.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I would not hesitate to contact his doctor if posts by users on a drug forum isn't enough to convince him.

It is just a heart attack waiting to happen.

 

[rancidrocker]

admittedly i have little understanding on what defibrillator implants are, i am not trained to deal with this either on a mental (his depressed) note, or on what the side effects could be. i assume it bad, but cant find any articles anywhere telling me what could happen (which to me suggests its bad in the first place and not worth testing) but i had to ask somewhere.

long time blue light reader, new poster as this is the only issue ive ever had where i really wanted some outside opinions.

 

[pbuilder]

People with heart conditions like that aren't even allowed to play sports, or do anything more than very minor phsyical activity. Still, heart conditions take people young, regardless of how careful they are, they already at high risk of complications as it is.

Doing meth with a defib would literally be playing Russian roulette.

 

[tricomb]

I don't know what we will be able to find in terms of use of methamphetamine with a defibrillator. I don't know of any professionals who would be stupid enough to do that study. But I'm sure there will be information to suggest methamphetamine would be a TERRIBLE idea to those with a pre-existing heart condition.

Crystal meth is damaging to many areas of the body -- including the brain, kidneys and liver -- but the heart damage can be extensive. Its use can cause symptoms such as irregular heartbeat (arrhythmia), rapid pulse, high blood pressure, inflammation of the small blood vessels near the brain and/or inflammation of the heart lining (endocarditis).

Research has indicated that methamphetamine abusers have a significantly heightened risk of heart attacks and strokes because of this damage. Scientists who examined data from more than 3 million Texas hospital patients ages 18 to 44 found a link between heart attack and amphetamine use and reported it in 2008 in the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence.

Crystal Meth-Triggered Coma, Cardiac Arrest

Using the same data, scientists writing for the Archives of General Psychiatry determined that amphetamine users have a fivefold increase in hemorrhagic strokes, which occur when blood vessels burst inside the brain. That's because this drug prompts dangerous blood pressure changes along with blood vessel spasms and inflammation that can lead to either or both of these outcomes. An overdose of crystal meth can even prompt coma or cardiac arrest.

Some of the physical consequences of crystal meth use for the cardiovascular system are irreversible, even if abusers manage to eventually kick the habit. Blood vessel damage in the brain has been observed among former users even years after they stopped taking the drug. Since scientists cannot yet offer any way to reduce the damage, long-term risks for stroke for these people remain higher than normal.

(source)

Methamphetamine Use Linked to Cardiomyopathy

 

[rancidrocker]

you guys have made my ind up to contact his doctor, or find out if he is seeing someone for depression, because thats just it. drugs for fun comes at risk anyway, but when there is a sure thing that something will go wrong, to me its screaming cry for help. cheers blue light

 

[tricomb]

you guys have made my ind up to contact his doctor, or find out if he is seeing someone for depression, because thats just it. drugs for fun comes at risk anyway, but when there is a sure thing that something will go wrong, to me its screaming cry for help. cheers blue light

Good decision, this problem is bigger than us. Using methamphetamine with a defibrillator knowing the consequences would be labeled as suicidal behavior. Contact the proper authorities, I know it's hard but your friend is not currently able to make safe decisions for themselves right now.