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Hi guys, I'm sweaty. Just want to post to say there is hope for the amphetamine addict because I was severely hooked on dextroamphetamine/Dexedrine which was legally prescribed to me. I haven't had any at all since May 2012, about 9 months as of this posting. So many posts on this thread mirror the Hell I went through and if I can be of any help to anyone who still has a hook in their cheek, let me know. I am NOT big on 12 Step, but if it works for you at all, then use it. I checked back into a 12 step oriented rehab to dry out as well as to have a place to stay so I have very mixed feelings toward 12 Step to say the least. I tried a lot of things between binges to feel better-OTC stuff, herbals/suppliments, and a variety of psychiatric meds. I've come to the conclusion that nothing helped as much as giving myself TIME to let my brain and body heal. Cravings diminish and sometimes the thought of tweeking again disgusts me. Bupropion helped significantly but I've discontinued it. I aim to get off all my psych meds eventually. My ability to enjoy regular everyday things is returning but I still get very moody from time to time. I luckily have nothing but free time and little to stress me out significantly. I'm also familiar with the fun of hardcore opiate and cocaine addiction. Aside from bad teeth, I am relatively healthy. I've even quit cigarettes since November 2012. That's all I have to say for now. I want to keep this post short, I can write endlessly. Take care of yourselves. I'll be around.
-sweaty
 
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Welcome back Sweaty. You'd only just put it down when you last posted, eh? You've come a long way. Good for you, and congrats. I know exactly what you mean about using again disgusting you, I'm exactly the same way with opiates, the thought of it is just repellant. Good luck for the future, good to see you back posting. Success stories are always good here, showing it can be done and how it can be done, we need more of them so thanks. :)
 
I've recently taken the plunge...

This is my first post on BlueLight but I have spent some time browsing the forums in the past. It took me a little over the past week but I have read this entire thread and decided that posting my own debacle may end up helping me or another poster who is also struggling with an amphetamine addiction.

I am not a meth addict and have actually never even done meth but my story revolves around adderall. I am going to warn those of you who may not consider prescription stimulants as "real" drugs; please do not believe this lie. While these drugs have appropriate medical uses (which I am not denying), they are plenty dangerous on their own. My experiences with adderall have been quite similar to some of the other posters experiences with methamphetamine. I encourage anyone reading this post to consider these dangers and to be careful and honest with yourselves about your usage. It's much easier to kick a habit before it becomes a real problem. Be smart and be safe. Well, here goes...

I have often struggled with academics and accomplishment of long term goals. I have tested very high on IQ tests in the past and overall am a well "educated" individual. My problems have always stemmed from lack of attentiveness and short term motivation. It is very difficult for me to study or to engage in the "grind" of completing major tasks. I believe this is caused by ADHD but also by what I am finding to be an addictive personality. I have always been easily swayed by chemical substances in addition to my complete (yet temporary) infatuation with certain activities or habits.

I am currently a college student working to earn a degree in chemistry or chemical engineering. Due to difficulty with studying and attentiveness during class, I chose to see a therapist and psychiatrist a little over a year ago. I did this with the complete intention of getting a prescription for adderall or another similar stimulant used in the treatment of ADHD. Until this point, my only experiences with stimulants were a few times with cocaine after a night of heavy drinking. I had yet to develop any addictions outside of alcohol and tobacco. I was already an alcoholic of 6+ years at this point and a habitual tobacco user for 8+ years.

I initially was prescribed Wellbutrin but I never gave it much of a chance. I don't know why but I also lied about the frequency of my alcohol use to both my therapist and doctor. After a month on Wellbutrin, the doctor prescribed me to 10mg adderall XR. I was so excited to fill the prescription. My motivation was never bad. I honestly thought that an ADHD medication could make a huge difference in my life and give me the ability to truly harness my talents. I thought it was the answer. I popped a pill as soon as I got the bottle and just as an experiment, I popped another one to see if the effects were more prominent at 20mg. I was enamored by the sudden clarity I had gained. Little did I know that I was taking the first step down a path that was going to lead to the darkest time of my life.

I didn't often "abuse" my prescription. I usually stuck to one 10mgXR per day and sometimes took another if it was a big study day. I also took regular days off. I eventually settled in to 15mg/day and this was working well for me. I often would take 2 pills as before and usually would run out of meds the day before my script was to get refilled. These first few months were the happiest times of my life. I was in love with my life. During this point, my max was reached when I took 4 pills and drove around for an hour listening to Nirvana's "In Utero" feeling like I was having an orgasm the entire time. I won't ever forget that day.

I think things permanently went out of my control during finals. This was my first binge period but it would not be my last. I ran out of pills about 5 or 6 days before my script was to be refilled. My next script lasted me 8 days. I almost freaked out at the thought of being without pills for 3 weeks. I eventually was ok with it.

I was not too concerned at first. The withdrawals sucked but I had my new poppy tea habit to deal with that. I rationalized that it was Summer time and I had no classes. Going wild with my scripts didn't matter because I didn't "need" it and I would get it back under control when school started. My son was born the week before Fall classes started. I made sure that I was jacked up when he was born. I has been planning that for months. I barely remember after he was born because I was so sleep deprived. Anxiety had started to set in by this point and it made it very uncomfortable for me to hold him or be around my wife after she gave birth. Anyways...

I didn't get control like I had planned. Things remained the same. I kept going on the quest to regain the magic and finding that little by little, it was becoming harder and harder to attain. The line between euphoric bliss and over-stimulated oblivion become thinner and thinner. Eventually, there was no line anymore...

Because of constant withdrawals and a more depressed mood, I bombed the semester. When the next semester started, I started to regain some control but it was much too late by that point. Things spiraled and as they got worse, my dosages started to increase again. I finally reached the breaking point. People talk about "hitting rock bottom" and I felt it firsthand. I didn't lose my family, I didn't lose my job, not my friends...I lost myself. My last run was pure...despair. I could no longer fathom happiness and I couldn't figure out a point to keep on living. All of my goals were suddenly meaningless and I stopped caring about everything. I didn't want to be around my family. There was no future...there was no hope. It saddened me greatly to reach this point because I knew just how much I was losing. This sadness was the only thing I was capable of feeling. I had no idea that a person could suffer that MUCH emotional agony.

This had become my life. I was breaking down physically as well as mentally in addition to the emotional pain. I lost a ton of weight, my teeth were deteriorating, my muscles were sore, my chest pains were growing in severity, I had trouble figuring out my thoughts, I was paranoid beyond belief. I never fully gave into my delusions but my mind was doing it's best to convince me that everyone was talking about me and it was only a matter of time before the cops came to take me away and that I was being followed and watched. My life was over, surely there was no recovery.

I did come to the conclusion that my ONLY chance was to quit and stay quit. In my desperation, I wrote a long letter to my wife about everything and what my plans were. The only thing I knew at the time was that I loved my son and my wife. My recovery may not have meant much to me but I knew that I needed to get better for them (especially my son) if anything. After one last day on a smaller dosage, I jumped off the boat and now here I am...

I still feel shitty. The initial withdrawal period has passed but the hard part is afterwards. Lethargy varies, school sucks, I can't concentrate on anything for longer than a few minutes and I have very little motivation, the paranoia is also lingering but I think it is subsiding. In spite of all this, I'm starting to smile REAL smiles again and I'm able to enjoy my family without faking it. It still sucks. I still want nothing more than to take another adderall but I have done well to remind myself where that will take me. In the past 6 months I've also quit drinking after a long habit of an almost daily frequency. The opiate (poppy tea) habit is lingering but I'm about to jump off that boat as well (I thankfully don't currently use enough to experience withdrawal). My future is very bleak right now because I don't know what's going to happen. I'm going to have to rebuild my life, reevaluate my goals, find new hobbies, etc.. As scary as it is, I know that the alternative that is screaming for me is much much worse. I have only strength to gain from this turbulent time. I have to keep hope alive.

I barely had the energy to write that up and am surprised I wrote so much. To any of you that took the time to read through it, know that I appreciate it. I hope that as my life goes on, I can use my experiences to help other people with similar problems. I'm going to need that type of positive reinforcement to stay on the proper path. I wish you all the best of luck in overcoming your afflictions.

NOW...if nobody minds, I believe I'm going to go sleep in my car before my next class... :)
 
GM, thank you for sharing your story. Adderall is indeed something that you don't want to mess around with. It's a serious drug and has the potential to be extremely addictive along with the other stimulants that are prescribed for ADHD. In college it's widely used and accepted. I'm in school myself right now and I'm not gonna lie, the temptation to ask my psychiatrist for Adderall or another stimulant is there and frequently reenters my mind. I know myself though and that I don't have it in me to control myself when it comes to amphetamines or meth so I just try to do the best I can without it.

It seems like you're doing good so keep it up! Take things a day at a time and remember on bad days that those feelings won't last and you're strong enough to get through it. Getting exercise, eating healthy, and getting enough sleep will do wonders for you and your mind. I also would recommend getting yourself on a study schedule and sticking to it. I know I have a huge habit of procrastinating with my studying, but if I stick to a schedule I feel more confident and less like I need amphetamines to concentrate. You might want to look into is your school's health services and see if they offer a support group for addiction or even going to AA/NA meetings. The more support you can get right now, the better.

Keep doing what you're doing and you'll notice that things will improve. I think you're noticing that already, but just keep at it. This is by no means difficult, so keep checking in here when you can and let us know how things are going for you. You're doing the right thing for you and your family and that's something to be proud of. :) <3
 
My future is very bleak right now because I don't know what's going to happen. I'm going to have to rebuild my life, reevaluate my goals, find new hobbies, etc.. As scary as it is, I know that the alternative that is screaming for me is much much worse. I have only strength to gain from this turbulent time. I have to keep hope alive.



If you really examine that first sentence you wrote in this paragraph, I think you can chart a positive course simply by refuting that thought. The future is always the future--no one knows what will happen and all the planning and diligent work and intentions in the world cannot change the uncertainty of it. You have only the present. I do not mean that there is no point in diligent work, intention or planning; far from it! Setting goals and working towards them creates meaning and fulfillment. Yet accepting the uncertainty of what lies ahead is the best way I have found to experience the present without layering anxiety on our every waking moment. I know that having a baby and going to school at the same time (and probably working, too) is very stressful, but in a very real way you are lucky. That little being, your son, is the best live-in guru for living in the present. That is quite literally all he knows. He does not worry about the future at all. While we can't all go back to such a state, we can certainly benefit from expressing and feeling our feelings fully when they happen without projecting forward.

I have complete sympathy with you about Adderall. I think it is one of those ridiculous lines between a legal and an illegal drug that causes so many people to underestimate both the immediate and cumulative effects as well as the potential for dependence or addiction.

I am so glad to hear that you are smiling again. Even more, I admire you for being able to see how monumental a change that is and to honor it. It is this kind of appreciation and positivity that will help you rebuild your life and ensure that no matter what happens in your future, yourpresent will never be too bleak. Keep doing what you are doing and don't forget to let your little guru lead you to some amazing new places.:)<3
 
I've been speed-free for about a week now...not for lack of trying, I will admit. Somehow dude always becomes realllllly hard to get a hold of when I've told myself I need some time off.

The first couple days sucked as usual, but then by day 3ish things were starting to look up. Before I ran out I started making sure I was eating better, made sure to get more liquids, took my vitamins/supplements, and added 5-HTP. I also restarted taking my prescriptions - Wellbutrin & adderall xr - the first day I was without; haven't been good about that the last couple times I tried "taking a break." I've never abused my adderall, and don't think I ever will - meth has that certain uh, sparkle for me.

Anyway. I feel like I'm hitting a rut again. I know I could get high tonight if I want. I had a tough night last night, maybe that's why I'm feeling so down? But I don't know. Other things are overwhelming. I know I don't have the time to tweak for hours right now, but I also know once I reach that state I won't care..but then I will later I guess.

This is very rambly. I just feel lost and very much alone.

To GM - thanks for sharing. I know it's tough. You sound optimistic and it gave me some encouragement.
 
@spork

Thank you. You have no idea what it means to me to receive encouragement from somebody who knows what I'm going through. I spent a good portion of the day thinking about your reply and even after reading it for the nth time, it still made me smile.

The study schedule is a good idea, unfortunately at current, I'm doing my best to hang on for the semester because I honestly don't really care enough at this point to fight the lack of motivation I'm experiencing. Hopefully in a few days things start to settle down a bit.

I'm giving consideration to attending some type of support group. My father (a recovering heroin addict) gave me the same suggestion as a means to not feel "so alone" in my recovery. It's something I will have to think further on. Just posting in this forum has been helpful and encouraging in it's own right.

@herbavore

Thank you too for your encouragement and suggestions. I know what you mean about the future; I suppose I've currently been upset because I feel very little control over it at the current. Perhaps giving up for a little bit will prove to be quite theureputic. I have plenty to live in the present with at current. As you say, I am very fortunate to have such a wonderful thing is my son. Maybe I'll just worry about being a good dad for a bit and cherishing the moments as they come. Holding off for a few months at reevaluating my future may prove to be a wise course of action and give me the time and space needed to heal properly.

@iliketoast

I feel your struggle, friend. You may not have made the choice to quit for good but it sounds like it may be a good time to give it some consideration.

Those "down" feelings you're having are quite natural as the effects of immediate cessastion. With time (not soon enough unfortunately), things will begin to become easier without the drug and you'll feel less of a need to use it. It's easier said than done but I'm sure it's worth the try. Even if you screw up and get high again, there's always the day after for you to give it another shot.

You're not alone. I know that feeling so well and still feel it myself but I assure you that it is not the truth. Perhaps reaching out in the community and seeking out some type of addiction support group could be helpful for you to get over this hump?

I know I'm new here but I'd be very happy to offer any support that I can. If I can do even one thing to help out another person, that will have made my registration here worth the time so feel free to shoot me a PM if you feel the urge!
 
I used to be addicted to lisdexamphetamines, and I have sensed a mental change over my past time of abuse(about six months, my friends intervened early) over the months, I have sensed myself gaining attention deficit disorder, depression, and a little bit of psychosis I think. I get random close. Eye visuals (quite extreme sometimes), heard noises out of nowhere, even when paying in bed and there is nothing there, and also feeling like I am rushing through space, even when I'm sitting still. Kind of the same feeling as when one has smoked large amounts of marijuana, but I rarely do that, so i I don't believe it has attributed to it.

By the way, I am a 16 year old boy, adds to the story.
For all of the people who are addicted to amps, please know that if u keep doing this it is bad for your mental health, and it is much safer for you to stay or become sober. Never stop fighting.
 
@Justamith2

Don't get too discouraged! It takes a little time for the brain to heal. Your young age should help your recovery. Just keep up the clean ride and things should start getting better for you. Don't be scared to ask your parents to find you a therapist either as that may be very beneficial.
 
Things are getting a little better for me. I've reached a very peculiar state of peace and clarity. The fatigue is starting to lessen (though getting out of bed in the morning is still utter hell) and the lack of motivation is becoming easier to deal with. The cravings have also started to lighten up but are still very much present. My thoughts are still a tangled mess and I think I'm feeling a very mellow type of depression but I'm starting to feel...alive? It's difficult to explain but it's a type of feeling I cannot recall experiencing before in my life. I feel like I'm starting to gravitate towards the path I've been spending my life searching for. I still have no clue what it is or where it will lead but I think I'm coming to some sort of peace with my inner self that I had yet to find.

I've been doing my best to hold to the notion that this terrible and awful time of my life has a very bright light at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps this is what I have always needed and I will look back at this time and find it to be the most important period of my life? I think it's a great way to look at this life for all of us. Overcoming our addictions has to build the fortitude of our spirits to previously unimaginable levels. Maybe we cannot find the niche we've always sought in this world; the perfect fit we believe is out there somewhere for all of us and what's been missing. If not, at least we can find peace; peace that will guide us to happiness and fulfillment.
 
Hi everyone I"m Eric B and am a long time lurker of BL forums. I am not struggling (nor have tried) meth but have lost a few friends to the stuff (not in the sense that they're dead but I've decided to distance myself from them & their erratic behaviour). It is so sad to see the damage this drug has done to people in Sydney here. I remember I first came across meth by reading a book titled 'Scattered' when i was ~18. I'd only just started experimenting with drugs at the time (namely cannabis) and what really struck me about the drug was how fun it seemed to be. I'm really not sure why I didn't end up trying meth but I think it has to do with the fact that I have an addictive personality and it really did seem too good.

Over the years I've had the opinion that if you get caught up in this shit it's your fault. I've written off a few friends who got in too deep but recently a close friend of mine has really started going off the rails. It hurts me so much to see such a great guy who I really look up to become a zombie. I was always a more introverted shy person and he is the exact opposite. I look up to him like a big brother because even though is has that alpha male/life of the party personality he has never once given me shit for being on the opposite end of the spectrum. He's never teased me for being vegetarian, reading books or for talking 'proper'. I know I probably embarrass him in front of his friends sometimes because I'm not as 'hardcore' as them but he's never held it against me. In fact he often asks if I'm alright when we hang out in case i'm put off by anything. He's only 22 and has been locked up before (9 months all up spent inside) but he's fully qualified for a trade and even though he's this big strong guy he's honestly one of the nicest people I've met. He's taught me so much but never in a "Sit down Eric B i'm going to teach you something" way. He's on a suspended sentence right now and recently lost his job. I'm so worried that he'll get locked up again for slipping up. It really scared me that I won't be able to hang out with him for two years. These are meant to be some of the best years of his life.

It has gotten so hard to watch him do this to himself. I really want to encourage him to get off this shit and get himself a new job in his trade but I'm don't want to just keep reminding him of how he's in a shit position like everyone else is reminding him. I try and call him up every day and meet up with him during the week but the longer the time increases since he lost his job the harder it is to connect with him. Sometimes he's in such a shit mood when he's coming down. He never threatens me or acts hostile towards me but it's so hard at times to talk to him about anything. We used to watch documentaries together or he'd tell me about how his time spent locked up was. Or he'd tell me about his childhood or something. But now it is so hard to connect with him. I will always be there for him but it is so hard to watch a good mate of mine turn into what he is now. I really hope everyone is giving it their best to get of this fucking shit horrendous drug because it really does ruin lives. Good luck everyone and thanks for listening.
 
Eric B, I'm from Western-Sydney, and the ice epidemic is scary out here.
I have also lost some close friends to it..
One friend reminds me of the guy you're talking about.
And its getting so hard to watch him throw his life away to meth.
Every day he had a new wild story to tell me..
The other week, he stole $2500 off of drug dealers, which he blew within 24 hours on strippers and meth in the Cross.
I had little run in's with it in the past, so its very confronting when my best friend is constantly smoking and glorifying the drug in front of me.
Lately I have been distancing myself from him more & more each week.. My support is still on the table, but I cannot see him changing any time soon.. And if I keep knocking around him, chances are I will become involved in some nasty shit.
 
Hey tripnotyzm thanks heaps for reading and replying to my post. I think you're absolutely right about distancing yourself from him in case you become involved in some nasty shit. Sometimes I'll hear people saying how off the rails my mate is going on the shit and I want to tell them to fuck right off and say how he's such an awesome guy that's so kind, but at the same time I know that what they're saying is true. It's so true about the new wild stories they have.

I think one of the worst things is seeing him fried off his brains and it honestly looks so pathetic. I really hate how with shards you can go literally days on end. That story about your mate doing over the dealers is just crazy. It's shit like that that shows just how out of touch with reality users get. It's like there's something in their head that thinks they will just need the next hit so they can get off their ass and scam more cash. Once they get the cash they run through it so fucking quick. The cycle repeats itself with a few day sleep in between a multi day bender. I honestly don't know how you could live a 4 days awake - 2 days asleep cycle. But this is how I remind myself that no matter what this drug isn't worth trying. This drug is the reason that my mate is throwing away his life.

I remember we were once talking about what the most addictive drug was. I was saying it was most definitely meth (even though I haven't done it there must be a reason why there are so many people wasting themselves away to this shit). He was saying it was definitely heroin. God I hate the stigma heroin seems to have here in Aus. Smoking meth for days on end is alright because we do it with friends but nodding out is only for junkie losers. I remember just staring at him and thinking are you fucking serious. I mean he sees what this shit does and how deep he's into it but he still wouldn't regard it as the most addictive. That's classical denial scenario I guess. [I don't mean to derail this into a meth vs heroin addictivity argument but am just using this to show he's shortsightedness. People will find different drugs more addictive depending on their DOC].

I remember when my sister would always tell me to be cautious around him and not get suckered into his way of life. She would joke around and say "Eric B hang around with him long enough and you'll try it!". I think she only believed I wouldn't when I told her people that sell that shit should be shot. This is such a shit drug. Good luck everyone!
 
tripnotyzm, Yeah aussies do lots of meth, more people are getting on it and it's becoming more accepted... I like to think it will stop but I don't believe that will happen

Eric B, my friend is in a similar sitcho. He's always been the druggy in our group and he reckons ice is worst because of how it gets into your head. He managed to get off it for a few months last year, went back to working and put on 15 KG, looked much better - then one night we got smashed, he let his guard down and the pipe came out

It's really deceitful you can have a toot at work, be the most productive employee and people won't know. With practice you can eat and drink normally on it too. You see triggers everywhere, anything pipe, rock or ice related becomes a joke. A lot of people underestimate the pull of the drug, keeping it off one's mind and reserved for partying is very difficult
 
I had a slip earlier this week. Got put into a position where it was right in my face. I didn't go on a binge and didn't go nuts. I regretted it the next day though (or even during). Had a couple of shitty feeling days afterwards but I'm starting to feel somewhat normal again overall. No reason to get all caught up in a minor slip up and destroy everything I've been working towards.
 
20 years old and I've been on and of it too many times to count. The worst part of it is that even when I've been months clean, I can never muster the motivation to clean up my room, do schoolwork, etc
3 years of meth abuse and I cant do schoolwork sober anymore. I threw away a 2-month sting of sobriety a couple weeks ago like it was nothing.
 
I have someone very close to me that is struggling with Adderall abuse. She gets her 1 month script and takes it all in under a week, and she is prescribed 60mg a day. She averages over 300mg a day. They are IR not XR. Personally I feel pretty concerned, as I have dealt with opiate addiction and feel like I have at least some idea of what she is doing. How bad is her habit? She has never touched street meth, just addy pills.
 
I have someone very close to me that is struggling with Adderall abuse. She gets her 1 month script and takes it all in under a week, and she is prescribed 60mg a day. She averages over 300mg a day. They are IR not XR. Personally I feel pretty concerned, as I have dealt with opiate addiction and feel like I have at least some idea of what she is doing. How bad is her habit? She has never touched street meth, just addy pills.


I'm not an expert or anything, but I would say that's pretty terrible. I take 20mg per day (sometimes a little extra) and I still have some nasty side-effects. How long has she been taking that much? I don't think she'll last much longer on that dose, but I could be completely wrong.
 
She has been taking it for around four years but it has steadily increased and she has been taking 300mg a day for the past 6 months. But, she can only do that for 1 week and then she gets 3 weeks clean time and throws it all away every month. Uses Vicodin during the off periods to keep from exploding.
 
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