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Meth/Amphetamines: Serious Discussion Only - V.2: MERGED with amps quitting thread

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footscrazy said:
Meth is neurotoxic so for him to walk away with little/no cognitive impairment is the exception, not the rule. 3.5g of pure is a huge amount of meth, so whether or not he notices any impairment, I would think there is almost no doubt that he has suffered extensive brain changes because of this habit. (Remember that it takes losing 80%+ of your dopamine receptors to perceive any change.) And, all studies suggest that this damage is not temporary, but permanent (at least for 5+ years), although it can improve somewhat. I find it amazing that someone could get to this daily amount, because I was using pure meth too, and by the time I'd had enough to get high (.5-.7, usually), the physical effects were so bad I was hospitalised a few times, and had heart rates of above 200 a minute, etc etc. Was he a large guy? Also, how was he taking it? If he was just eating it, the story makes more sense, but you couldn't puff through 3.5g a day even if you puffed continously, and that's a ridiculous amount to bang, and if he was injecting I'm amazed he didn't die of a heart attack. Also consider - a tolerance so huge, would most likely suggest a ridiculously huge downregulation of dopamine receptors, which more than likely will impact on him later in life, if not now.

I do agree with you though that anyone can quit, but for some people it'll be much harder than others.
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He preferred Railing, Smoking, and uncommonly parachuted
He said Smoking lasts somewhere like 4 hours
Railing lasts around 12+ hours
Parachuting lasts like 15+ hours
^The fact he said smoking lasts 4 hours compared to the other 2 lasting 12+ makes me very confused

He never once Injected or plugged
He weighed around 200lbs the entire time. He liked to eat, he said it felt like another hit as soon as he would eat a cheeseburger... he thinks it had something to do with your body having more "energy" from eating? He doesn't know much about the actual mechanics of it all... but he knows from experience how it made him feel

Captain.Heroin said:
How long was the withdrawal for that level of use?

I am glad to hear he quit though! :) That's very inspiring.
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I think he said it was a week... but I could be wrong... in fact I think I'll ask him tonight
 
badfish45 said:
How's that going for you? :)
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it was going great! i slipped today and ate a point maybe 2 :(. i don't know why i did it. i didn't even want to do it and was wishing it would just disappear right as i popped it. i don't have a desire to go back. it felt good for a couple hours and then nothing but anxiety since. how i ever got ON that drug, i don't know. so here's to starting over! i'm proud of my clean time and since i know i can do it, i'm sure this little bump in the road will come and pass with ease.
 
^Can just be a learning experience that reinforces your desire to stay away from it :) The anxiety is always what gets to me in the end; it is relentless.
 
I had 9 months clean from meth, and all it took was doing it once again to start it all over. I dunno, it just carves itself into my head and wont go away. Its a mind game. A week without it seems like years. I never do it more than once a week, but lately it has been every week. I don't really want to quit either, but seeing this thread makes me want to rethink.
 
Addyman said:
I think he said it was a week... but I could be wrong... in fact I think I'll ask him tonight
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I am interested. I can personally attest that a week of feeling suicidally depressed isn't easy by any means, although I know I have had PAWS from heroin last significantly longer than a week.

I have heard the same thing from d-amp users who only take a break to lower tolerance, that the WD's only really last 5 days.

soundsystem00 said:
I had 9 months clean from meth, and all it took was doing it once again to start it all over. I dunno, it just carves itself into my head and wont go away. Its a mind game. A week without it seems like years. I never do it more than once a week, but lately it has been every week. I don't really want to quit either, but seeing this thread makes me want to rethink.
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Well once a week is a lot of discipline, knowing how some people use it.

Are there any down sides to using it once a week? Do you think not using it at all would give you a greater sense of accomplishment?

Nonetheless, I have a lot of hope for you - if you wanted to quit for good again, I'm sure you can.
 
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IME...acute withdrawals don't last long, up to a week. That's not really the problem with meth though as it's not physical dependence which is the primary component of meth addiction.

It took about 2 months for me to get back to 'normal' after stopping. That was about the time I noticed the cravings had lost their intensity, I had an adequate amount of motivation, and I was getting some pleasure out of normal activities. I don't believe complete recovery is ever possible - at least 'complete' in terms of brain changes, I don't think the brain will ever go back to how it was prior to meth use, and some damage will never be repaired. I don't think that necessarily has to have any negative impact on your life though.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I am interested. I can personally attest that a week of feeling suicidally depressed isn't easy by any means, although I know I have had PAWS from heroin last significantly longer than a week.

I have heard the same thing from d-amp users who only take a break to lower tolerance, that the WD's only really last 5 days.



Well once a week is a lot of discipline, knowing how some people use it.

Are there any down sides to using it once a week? Do you think not using it at all would give you a greater sense of accomplishment?

Nonetheless, I have a lot of hope for you - if you wanted to quit for good again, I'm sure you can.
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thanks man. great advice as usual. yes, once a week tops. I have fun sober all the time. <snip> no, I don't really have the urge to quit, but I may slow down. the neurotoxicity has always freaked me out.

I don't get any negative effects from it usually. I can eat on it if on hungry, can take a few benadry and go to sleep when I want, don't mind the comedown and don't mind any of the side effects.
 
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3 months+2 days off Adderall

I had to quit Adderall because I abused it (with Klonopin) to the point of VERY HEAVY sleep. I could not be awoken and I left my toddler unattended. Now she is living with my brother.

I have cravings almost every day. I can get the drug any time, but I made the choice to repair my life. I know that it is impossible for me to use Adderall in any "constrained" (aka. as prescribed) manner.

FWIW Klonopin cravings are stronger & more frequent, even though Adderall was my DOC. I play with the thought almost daily to get back on Klonopin.

Since quitting I sometimes will take Bronkaid (ephedrine) for that little bit of extra energy to get things done. I used to not be able to do ANYTHING without amps. Now I can. I abused it for 14 months.

I have 3 months off Adderall, and 2 months off Klonopin.
 
I was at someone's house (who I know is a tweaker)

I saw a little container, said "1 gram *insert price here* mixed" (I assume it was 1g pure meth in liquid)

I was so tempted to get a dropper, and put a drop in my nose
or just a drop or 3 in my mouth

This is not a good sign, only reason I didn't do it is because I wasn't 100% if it was meth... could be PCP for all I damn know

and I've never done meth before

This is rediculous
 
Hello guys!

I'm new here.. I'm now 8 months clean from smoking crystal meth.. I had a huge panic attack from a comedown 1 day that's why I stopped smoking, the panic attacks are gone but I'm still very anxious to this day
and lately I'm having hypnagogic hallucinations before sleeping.. I would like to ask if some of you guys experience this? is this PAWS? will the anxiousness and the hypnagogic hallucinations stop?.. I hope somebody
could enlighten me thanks guys!
 
^ I have experienced something similar, to the point where I became really afraid to sleep, as I was afraid of that period between being conscious and falling asleep, that 'in between' stage where you're still able to feel your consciousness slipping away. That used to really freak me out.

I was diagnosed with panic disorder and generalised anxiety after 3 years of regular meth and mdma use, I'm not sure how much the drugs contributed, but I'd guess a fair bit. My anxiety was severe, I was suicidal most minutes of every day for about 6 months. Worst time in my life, for sure...The severity of it made me quit drugs completely for a year, and do some serious work on my anxiety. I don't think it would have improved without the huge amount of effort I put into cbt, meditation and exercise. I guess in a way it was beneficial because of that, because I believe I have ten times the amount of control over my anxiety now, in many ways, I'm cured of it. It was a terribly shit way to learn a lesson though. Even though I returned to my meth addiction with a vengeance after that year, and fell into near daily use for too many more years after that.

Buuut long story short - yes, I believe it is very much improvable :)
 
Any form of art. The longer I stay clean, the more I can enjoy drawing. Its slowly coming back to me, but I still suck. When I start doing it alot is when I hate art without it. Nothing I can't handle, though.
 
mami said:
I had to quit Adderall because I abused it (with Klonopin) to the point of VERY HEAVY sleep. I could not be awoken and I left my toddler unattended. Now she is living with my brother.

I have cravings almost every day. I can get the drug any time, but I made the choice to repair my life. I know that it is impossible for me to use Adderall in any "constrained" (aka. as prescribed) manner.

FWIW Klonopin cravings are stronger & more frequent, even though Adderall was my DOC. I play with the thought almost daily to get back on Klonopin.

Since quitting I sometimes will take Bronkaid (ephedrine) for that little bit of extra energy to get things done. I used to not be able to do ANYTHING without amps. Now I can. I abused it for 14 months.

I have 3 months off Adderall, and 2 months off Klonopin.
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It feels good to recover from amphetamine addiction and find yourself back in your old shoes. It gave me a lot of added confidence I needed to actively perform at the level I need to to be successful in my goals.
 
i justify my amphetamine addiction by reminding myself how it has (and is bringing) brought me closer to my dream of commercial artistic success. i was a lazy FUCK before.

i know it's out of control...

but i'm so close, i'm really playing with fire here, but why can't i see the value of being sober once more?
 
^ I think every drug has its positives as well as its negatives. The problem seems to be though, in my experience with meth (and most other drugs too for that matter), that over time the positives decrease and the negatives increase. And when you're dealing with an addiction, you gradually end up losing any ground you may have gained, and then start going backwards. And you end up stuck with both recovery from an addiction and the long process of rebuilding your life.

I think meth is one of the least sustainable habits, too.
 
I am struggling really badly with amphetamine addiction right now.

I'm not sure what to do, I'm prescribed and I've been using them for over 6 years and I just don't know how to stop, I abuse myself with the stuff all the time.

I feel like I can't do anything without them, but once I'm on them, I feel like I'm never doing enough or doing less than I was without.

Does anyone have any advice? I've tried using mild stimulants to get off amps but it just didn't work, I just want to feel free again.
 
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