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Mescaline for first time trippers

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gingervitus

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My friend and her boyfriend have been looking for psychedelics for months and after I got ripped off of $100 that was going towards shrooms for the three of us we decided to say "fuck you untrustworthy dealers" and look towards the internet market for some semi-legal cacti (Payment and delivery are planned out). We were thinking of getting enough cacti (probably San Pedro) to get them to a safe, mild level for their first trip and then for the three of us again later (I've done mild dose of mushrooms once 9 months or so back). They wanted me to be their sitter which I agreed as long as I could get in on some of that stuff so we were hoping to get about 5 doses or so of the Pedro to make into the brew, or tea, or whatever it's called (any idea of how many cacti/ideal weight?)

My worry is that, from what I've heard and read -- The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley -- mescaline is among one of the more powerful psychedelic substances and lasts much longer than LSD and shrooms. These kids have done research for months and I would trust them with this drug more than any other of my friends who haven't tripped but I'm still worried about them so I have a few questions I wanted to ask before we kick this plan into action.

  • How can we ensure that they don't get an overwhelming experience for their first time?
  • Advice for dosing first time trippers with San Pedro? My friend has done extensive research into the process and I have done a decent amount myself, I'm more worried about how many inches/grams/or other measurement would be ideal for their first time and then for a second more powerful experience (all three of us are between 100lbs and 150lbs I'd guess).
  • Advice for me being a sitter (something I've never done, I planned to take some adderall, oxy/hydro, or other drug that wouldn't fuck me up enough to inhibit my babysitting)
  • Any other important things we should know before experimenting with the drug?

Thank you so much for any advice or answers you can give me, I know any psych experience is a risk, I just wanted to make sure we were betting as little as possible. Thanks!
 
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Mescaline, or should I say San Pedro in your case, is not any more powerful than mushrooms. Either one can be more powerful than the other, depending on the dose.

In general San Pedro should remind you a lot of mushrooms, although obviously it lasts anywhere from a few hours longer to twice as long as mushrooms (which in my experience last 5 to 10 hours). San Pedro will feel a bit different, the visuals will be a bit different, and your mindspace will be pushed in a bit of a different direction. In general, mescaline is not as threatening to the ego so you are less likely to experience fear or anxiety compared to an "equivilant" mushroom trip.

San Pedro in any form tastes much, much worse than mushrooms. It is also likely to make you nauseous for the first couple hours (or until you puke, usually no more than an hour into it, which is a possibility). You'll feel pretty great after that. San Pedro can give you a fair amount of energy, but not the kind of energy where you want to run around, you might actually feel like you can't do much but sit and watch the kaleidescopic clouds for a while.

If you're getting dried San Pedro chips it's a good bet to start with 25 grams for a nice introduction. Otherwise make a tea out of about a foot of the cactus per person. Either of those doses should not be overwhelming, even if you have a stronger-than-normal cactus. You may find you want to increase to 18" or something like 40 grams on your subsequent attempts.

Advice for being a sitter is prepared to be bored while your friends are enjoying an awesome natural psychedelic substance. Honestly I don't really believe in trip sitters except if people are indulging in extremely disorienting and delusional type substances like Datura. Nobody is likely to lose their minds on mescaline or start acting out of control or anything like that.

I understand if they have little to no experience with psychedelics why they think it's a good idea to have a sitter, but almost always this just ends up in one person being bored or envious of everyone else's experience for no reason.
 
gingervitus said:
[*]How can we ensure that they don't get an overwhelming experience for their first time?
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There's quite a few reasons why this won't be a problem. First, before you spend too much money on cactus, you should buy the smallest amount you can buy, prepare it as tea and attempt to drink it. Drinking it is going to be hard - probably the hardest thing you've ever done. Medieval torture has nothing on drinking cactus snot. It's like drinking warmed up dogshit through a tramps soiled underpants. Don't be like all the rest of us who spent hundreds on cactus, spent days preparing it, then took one sip, vomited and said "Fuck that".

If your girlfriend can swallow more than one sip then she's very, very tough.

If any of you do manage to swallow enough of it to trip, there's a very good chance you'll vomit it all back up again within an hour or two and the trip will be a lot weaker.

Mescaline is far gentler than LSD and mushrooms. Remember Aldous Huxley was a frail old man taking his first trip and he took 400mg and he was still comfortable. So that gives you an idea of how overwhelming mescaline is.
 
If you want to give mescaline to someone as their first psychedelic, it is probably best to extract it first (lots of teks on erowid etc - doesn't need that much in the way of supplies at all) ... probably best to stay away from truly foul tasting decoctions like cactus and ayahuasca that can and will upset your stomach.
 
I gave my brother some extracted mesc as his first and only psychedelic experience. He had a very good trip, and I think it is an excellent substance for a first time. He hardly had any stomach discomfort, but that could be different when using cactus.
 
Between the complex mixture of stuff in cactus, the fact that humans aren't really meant to eat them for food, and the outright awful smell/taste of cactusflesh -- especially when cooked, I'm not suprised so many people find they have to "purge" on cactus.

It seems to me that most of the "raw plant" hallucinogens (aya, cacti, morning glory/hbwr) are much rougher on stomachs and bodies than the "refined" active chemicals. Even crude extractions can help.

Plus if you take the extraction all the way to the end and end up with mescaline crystals, you have a much easier time dosing than trying to guess how high a chunk of cactus will get you.
 
Looks like tea is unanimously considered a bad idea. I'll look into extraction methods, it seems like it might not be worth it to make the brew. I think the nastiest thing I tasted was lactucarium from garden lettuce. It was the most bitter thing ever to touch my tongue. I planned on trying to mouth down a few drops of the stuff. I taste and I gave up. Can't say I much enjoyed that experience. Can anyone compare lactucarium to the taste of the brew?

bluedolphin said:
I understand if they have little to no experience with psychedelics why they think it's a good idea to have a sitter, but almost always this just ends up in one person being bored or envious of everyone else's experience for no reason.
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Alright, especially considering the length of mescaline trips I was a little worried. I could handle maybe sitting through a shroom trip but I don't know how well I could sit through 18 hours sober. I'll see if I can convince them otherwise.
 
gingervitus said:
Can anyone compare lactucarium to the taste of the brew?
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As you pull your mouth away from the cup there will be a long line of cactus snot hanging from your lip to the cup that you will have to bite off just before you gip.

It's a good bet lactucarium is like eating a toffee cheesecake compared to cactus. Imagine sniffing an unwashed arse while nibbling on shit.

Alright, especially considering the length of mescaline trips I was a little worried.

Mescaline trips don't last that long - they peak within about 6-8 hours and then the rest of the trip is just returning to baseline. You arn't peaking out of your mind for 15 hours. For the last 5 or 6 hours you're only feeling enough to stop you from going to sleep.
 
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I always just drank the cactus powder in water or did a tea infusion...when I've taken extract it produced nowhere near the depth of experience and takes much much more cactus to produce a given effect, a waste imo. An extract required 40+ g of flesh to be extracted thoroughly just to be satisfying....20 g of straight green flesh will take me to another dimension

Many can't take the taste and texture, but if you can the experience is far more rewarding.
This is empirical observation not all natural hippie ranting..lol...
 
I think mescaline is a prime psychedelic experience for a newcomer into the world of such.
Helps you to hear what the earth is saying I feel :-)
 
Well sounds like cactus brew isn't the easiest way to experience psychedelia but it'll have to do for now. If we're going to have to eat/drink this snot does anyone have any tips to help stomach or at least get it down the throat?
 
Easiest is to boil it with water and some lemon juice for acidity. Boil it for over an hour, strain though tshirt, then re boil the material in fresh water. Combine the two liquids after staining your goop again, and reduce it to a good small volume via simmering. Put your goop outside to let it return to the earth and then drink your cactus infusion.

Don't mix it with anything to mask the taste, it won't work. Maybe have some fresh OJ or a glass of water to drink with it, but just chug down your reduced liquid goo. Ideally reduce it to a small glass :-)

I just stir the powder into water and chug the quicksand like mixture...but most don't get down on that lol. The infusion method is they next most simple peroration method and is the technique used in south American shamanism in the books i've read.

Best of journies!
 
Experientially San Pedro was very rewarding when I first took it 10 years ago (I am now 27) and I just blended the de-spined cacti (1 1/2 lbs) and chugged it. I had no problems and did not need to purge, although my cousin did (same age at 2/3 the dosage. We tripped in freshly fallen snow and I watched the sky split apart and I was washed as clean as the snow. My first psychedelics were in the order of salvia, nitrous/dxm, morning glory, mescaline, then mushrooms and LSD. I find mushrooms to be the most challenging of them all but the most ultimately rewarding. I would say mescaline is the purest feeling, least threatening, most enjoyable natural psychedelic IMO but also the hardest to dose. Your efforts will be rewarded by a energetic psychedelic and lucid trip. Good vibes to you and your friends!
 
Ismene said:
There's quite a few reasons why this won't be a problem. First, before you spend too much money on cactus, you should buy the smallest amount you can buy, prepare it as tea and attempt to drink it. Drinking it is going to be hard - probably the hardest thing you've ever done. Medieval torture has nothing on drinking cactus snot. It's like drinking warmed up dogshit through a tramps soiled underpants. Don't be like all the rest of us who spent hundreds on cactus, spent days preparing it, then took one sip, vomited and said "Fuck that".

If your girlfriend can swallow more than one sip then she's very, very tough.

If any of you do manage to swallow enough of it to trip, there's a very good chance you'll vomit it all back up again within an hour or two and the trip will be a lot weaker.
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Everything you just said made me feel like the manliest man to ever storm out of Hell with a chaingun in one hand and a rocket launcher in the other with fallen angels blasting heavy metal behind me as I beat down Satan with my dick. Three times I've failed to boil the mixture down enough and ended up having to chug 400+mLs of cactus juice. It is somewhere betweeen 'half' and 'almost' as horrible as Ismene makes it sound. Somehow the bitterness manages to spread throughout the mixture, doesn't seem to dilute at all.

The only thing your friends have to worry about is potentially getting a very powerful specimen. I forget the figures, but I think a foot of cactus can contain up to 700mg of mescaline. This is highly unlikely, though. More likely they'll be surprised at how easily they handle the experience. Perhaps a few hours in, when you're all comfortable that no one's going to run across town naked screaming about lizardmen controlling the government, you might want to take some too and join in.
 
gingervitus said:
Well sounds like cactus brew isn't the easiest way to experience psychedelia but it'll have to do for now. If we're going to have to eat/drink this snot does anyone have any tips to help stomach or at least get it down the throat?
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Couldn't you try the pf-tek and grow some mushrooms instead?

I'm not sure there is anything that makes cactus snot more appetising - yeah you can "mix" it with lemon juice or ice cream but it's kinda like putting ketchup on a dog turd - would it really make it taste any better?
 
Part of the reason my failed efforts ended up being so huge was because I tried to mask the taste with orange juice, lemon and sugar. No, it didn't work. Not one bit. It's just as bitter, but it's also sickly sweet. Just take it straight, in two or three shot glasses.
 
alexvolume2 said:
I find mushrooms to be the most challenging of them all but the most ultimately rewarding. I would say mescaline is the purest feeling, least threatening, most enjoyable natural psychedelic IMO but also the hardest to dose. Your efforts will be rewarded by a energetic psychedelic and lucid trip. Good vibes to you and your friends!
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Mushies are harder to stomach than mescaline? Or harder to handle? My first trip was with shrooms maybe a year back and this was going to be my second psych trip but I had no trouble getting them down, they tasted pretty good too, kind of like sunflower seeds. I mean, the experience was pretty rough, I had to give up talking for a while at my peak because I couldn't follow a conversation but I didn't really get much along the lines of visuals, just some exaggerations and mild distortions.

Ismene said:
Couldn't you try the pf-tek and grow some mushrooms instead?
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I've been considering it but I live with my parents and I think they'd flip if they ever realized why all the booze they don't drink are half empty. I donno what I'd do if they caught me growing mushrooms. I thought it'd be the sort of thing where you just hide it in a closet for a couple months after making some rice cakes and injecting some spores but I guess it requires light and relatively specific heat/moisture requirements, etc just much more involved than I really want to invest in. It just seemed like more trouble than it's worth trying to grow them successful and dodge my parents.
 
Yeah - if your parents are around then I'd forget that one.

But you don't need lights or anything - just put one plastic box inside another with some water and an aquarium heater in the outer box.
 
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