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Mephedrone Megathread

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oh I still get pleasant effects from it, it's my actions/behaviour, the next few days and the fact that I literally cut open a massive hole in my jaw that puts me off it. I may try it again sometime, but for now, I'm not sure whether to get methylone of 4-fluoroamphetamine!

Methylone lasts too short and is just empathogenic.
I like stimulants and empathogens, so I should go for 4-fa for the best of both worlds.
But 4-fa lasts 10 hours (too long)
hmmmmmmmmm tricky.
 
Go for MDMA crystal, DP. Zero bad effects and nothing but pure stimulation and empathy. Can't go wrong with crystal :)

Or, even better, aMT is the "Rolls Royce" of empathogens and is so good it really should be given out on the NHS. Rather hard to come by despite it being legal and lasts around 16-24 hours in my experience... but in such a good way that you still wish it lasted longer.
 
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^ There's a fair and growing amount of evidence that mephedrone itself is toxic, and is not something I would want to be indulging in regularly myself. I haven't knowingly used it but have very strong suspicions I have in the form of an iffy batch of so-called MDMA crystal - definitely not pipz and almost certainly mephedrone.

It is somewhat similar to MDMA and can see the appeal, but the high was far too short lived, speedy and fiendy for me and left me feeling cracked out and throughly miserable. The problem is no-one can really read up much on it cos so little is known and what is known looks worse by the week.

I'd give it a go once or twice for the sake of completeness, but will be definitely be sticking to MDMA myself.

You are probably the first person I have heard who has stuck with it for more than a few goes cos most seem to experience very unpleasant effects after an incredibly brief honeymoon period.

PS: Where are my manners?!? Hello and welcome to BL and EADD - make yourself cosy and at home, crack open a beer, spark a spliff - even have a line of mephedrone if you must - and have fun :)

PPS: Please don't be offended at my slightly anti-mephedrone rhetoric - nothing personal at all - it's just that I've heard a lot of bad things recently and no good things other than it's great for using a couple of times and then avoiding like the plague.
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i understand where your coming from mate,over on another forum champ****** everybody is a big fan of mephedrone,first forum ive been on to see people not so in love with it,ive been using it atleast 2 times a month for the past year and i have had great great times on it,everybody has different tastes though so each to their own :) thanks for the welcome,will have a few lines of meph today =D
 
Amen to aMT - god's own empathogen :)

As to mephedrone, I would think it's very enjoyable when used reasonably. It's the increasing suspicions of toxicity that worry me (I think it's primarily toxic to the heart from what I've heard). A lot of people confuse legal with safe. I have a very strong suspicion that MDMA is a lot safer. It's certainly a lot better understood and has a long history of use. Mephedrone doesn't so people using it are essentially guinea pigs. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's worth being aware of.

Also, Fixingahole is right. The forum you mention sells the stuff so they're hardly likely to be mentioning the bad effects :D

PS: I'm sure mephedrone is reasonably safe when used moderately. Most drugs are toxic if heavily abused. Cocaine is also cardiotoxic but will only kill you if you take the piss. Mephedrone is more of an unknown quantity so I'm not trying to say that everyone who uses it will die, more that it should be used with caution if it is used and it's worth bearing in mind that it has its downsides.
 
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I guess we'll know in a few years time just how dangerous it is. I reckon a dose is probably no more dangerous or damaging than necking a bottle of vodka, which many people do once a week.
 
^ They tend to die of cirrhosis if they do though.

I'm sure it's true that mephedrone is just another toxic chemical that can be fun but can also kill. It's about responsible use really. Most drugs will kill you if you take the piss. My problem with these kinda things is that they are touted as safe alternatives to MDMA when they are clearly not. There's just not enough known about them to say, but many folks seem to believe that legal=safe when that is obviously not the case.
 
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many folks seem to believe that legal=safe when that is obviously not the case.
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Which would be a problem of the publics perception should all drugs ever be legalised, and enough to stop it happening I reckon, sadly :(
 
Absolutely the opposite would be the case, I would say Aros. If all drugs were legal then they could be discussed sensibly, researched properly and the money wasted on the War on Drugs could be spent on education and harm reduction. Drug use would become a far safer thing.

I agree it will never happen, but only cos it is useful for governments to have it this way.
 
Most folk don't care about harm reduction though, with alcohol people go daft with it (myself included) despite knowing the problems it can cause. Same with drugs now while they are illegal, making them legal will make no difference.

I mean look at us lot we know drugs need to be respected and used sensible but we don't always do it. If drugs were completely legal and available people would abuse them silly just like they abuse alcohol. It's OK it's legal it must be safe.
 
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Go for MDMA crystal, DP. Zero bad effects and nothing but pure stimulation and empathy. Can't go wrong with crystal :)
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Difficult to get! I know a couple of drug-runners who could get it for me but the dealers are stingey about who they give their mandy to. Fingers crossed I should be getting some NYE, but until then I just have to find a suitable substitute to keep me ticking over, not sure what I'd prefer out of M1 or 4-fa though. Which one is more intense?
 
Dunno DP cos I've never tried 4-FA. M1 is nice if a lil short-lived, but don't snort it - I made that mistake and it felt like someone had knifed me in the kidneys for a couple of days afterwards :|

Spade: I absolutely disagree with the legalising drugs would make more people use them. At first there would be a spike in use and all the associated problems, but that would soon settle down. In a couple of generations time they would just be another part of life that some would use and some wouldn't. Same as now only very much safer. Prohibition causes absolutely nothing but harm for all concerned and is a complete waste of time. Do you really think that having the drug market controlled by gangsters is a good thing?

The point with legalising is that drugs would be fundamentally safer and access to HR material and help with addiction would be much easier to access and the whole issue could be discussed openly.
 
Drug use would increase with legality I think. People who had never considered trying them before either due to there legality or not being able to get them would start using them realise they liked them and use on a regular basis. You'ld have a whole load of folk with drug addictions that previously hadn't touched them.

Not saying the way things are now is good but it would certainly not be a 100% positive thing for everyone.
 
As I said, short-term there would be curiosity and more people would try them for sure. But would you really start shooting heroin just cos it was legal? I doubt it and most other folks would probably be the same. Staggered legalisation starting with the "problem" drugs - heroin specifically - is the way to go. There really is no other feasible option. Does prohibition help anybody but criminal organisations and government agencies? No. It does nothing but kill people.

More folks would run into problems initially, but there would be far more resources to help them and people would realise pretty quickly that just cos it was legal it doesn't mean it's good to fuck about with.

It would take a couple of generations maybe to settle down completely but is an all-round win situation. It's a straight choice - leave it in the hands of gangsters and their governmental assistants or legalise and take away all the mystique and glamour and give people control, support and good honest advice over the decisions they make. It's obvious what the best option is.

PS: Better get back on topic. There's a drugs legalisation thread in DC if you wish to continue the debate - feel free but be prepared to be shot down in flames cos anyone with half a brain worked out a long time ago that prohibition is just bad, m'kay ;)
 
I'm not advocating prohibition just pointing out the legalisation of all drugs would not neccessarily be a wonderful decision either. The idea is not as great as your making it out to be.
 
No I wouldn't choose prohibition at all I'm just not going to make out legalisation would be the best thing in the world.
 
Best of the two possible options though, which is my point :)

Also, I genuinely believe that drug addictions and problems - even overall use - would go down in time or at least stabilise. May take many years - probably would - but it would be worth it in the end for sure. There really is no other way to improve the situation and solve so many of the problems that surround drugs.

What happened when cannabis was downgraded in the UK? Use went down. What happened in Holland when cannabis was (not quite but sort of) legalised? Use went down. Same thing has apparently happened with heroin in countries like Switzerland where it is prescribed - and also areas of other countries including the UK that have piloted similar schemes. Crime plummeted, health improved, addiction levels stabilised or even decreased and addicts were able to function normally and usefully in society until they were ready to stop.

Legalisation works and prohibition doesn't. Never heard a single valid argument against it.
 
We don't know if legalisation works as we've never seen it fully and properly in action.
 
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