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Mephedrone Megathread

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Not fully no, that is true Spade. But as in the examples given - and there are many more - the evidence is that the closer drugs are to legal, the safer they become to both the user and society in general and the overall incidence of use either levels out or decreases.

Compare and contrast to prohibition - spiralling use, abuse, ignorance, crime, addiction and death to name but a few.

Give me a single even remotely sensible alternative.
 
TheSpade said:
We don't know if legalisation works as we've never seen it fully and properly in action.
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I thought most drugs were legal till the late 1800's?

I think with drugs like heroin and coke legalisiation would make things a lot safer. The reason most people end up progressing to injection so quickly is because of the cost of heroin. If you could get a kilo of heroin for a tenner which is what the NHS get it for then people would be able to stick to smoking it which would be a lot safer for them.

Also the other issue is even if there were more people addicted to heroin - if heroin is legal it isn't a problem. There's thousands of soldiers who got addicted to heroin but because they get prescribed it they can lead productive and healthy lives - pure heroin is probably the safest, least toxic drug known to man. You can inject it into babies and 95 year olds and if you take twice as much as you should then you fall asleep for a bit. Take twice as much paracetomol as you should and you cause yourself serious damage.

Answer that and stay fashionable spade!
 
Treacle said:
That's not true, at all.
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Listen, for example, to Dr Teresa Tate, who has prescribed heroin and morphine for 25 years, first as a cancer doctor and now as medical adviser to Marie Curie Cancer Care. We asked her to compare heroin with paracetamol, legally available without prescription. She told us: "I think that most doctors would tell you that paracetamol is actually quite a dangerous drug when used in overdose; it has a fixed upper limit for its total dose in 24 hours and if you exceed that, perhaps doubling it, you can certainly put yourself at great risk of liver failure and of death, whereas with diamorphine, should you double the dose that you normally were taking, I think the consequence would be to be sleepy for a while and quite possibly not much more than that and certainly no permanent damage as a result." Contrary to the loudly expressed view of so many politicians, this specialist of 25 years' experience told us that when heroin is properly used by doctors, it is "a very safe drug".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2001/jun/14/drugsandalcohol.socialsciences
 
pure heroin is probably the safest, least toxic drug known to man
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Least toxic? 100mg will kill your average (non opiate user) person stone dead. Not an accurate statement, but I know what you're getting at ie side effects from chronic use over years are remarkably small if you take the whole physical dependance bit out of the equation.

Diamorphine(heroin) is quite toxic but has low long term, chronic toxicity


Pedantic pharmacologists - don't you just love 'em? =D
 
Its only gonna be a matter of time before someone ends up dead on this compound :( After a nights session(approx 1g) my heart can have a tendancy to go into overdrive (even the next night!) 130-140+ (not easy to follow at such speed)

Now if thats gained so easily someone is gonna come a cropper sooner or later. For instance swim in his 40's decided to drop approx 7-800mg last night for his first time on the stuff, asking for trouble! --I was not there but should of been! He does know himself for the plus. Over on undrug we've got videos of tards thinking its cool it drop 3000mg !!!

Aside from that everyone i know prefers it to mdma and respects it. Personally i cant put this first, but thats a close choice! -edit now that i think about it, lack of side effects/hangover etc puts meph generally my number 1 stim.

I dont want to be a guinea pig but am going to be with this one, not a chance im going to cane loads like so many others are doing... We shall see in a year or two if anyones got any big regrets

Oh i should mention, im on some now! It wouldn't surprise me if in the next few months, maybe a little longer but certainly not any less we're gonna start seeing britain flooded with these pills. The scallywag polish importers/chemist (damn them to hell!) are soon gonna reliase they can import another drug cheaper and mdma like! Will kill bzp but more a less prevent mdma pills coming back onto the scene. Surprised there hasnt been any produced yet, maybe the grapevine hansn't slipped yet. Fuck it im off to holland to setup my own supply line and bring back the ecstasy pill!


Fuck it what am i typing
 
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One question. Are there any signs to look out for if the drug may be causing in damage to either my heart or brain?
 
there's already been an mephedrone death in europe, there's details in another thread
 
Also the other issue is even if there were more people addicted to heroin - if heroin is legal it isn't a problem.
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I beg to differ. Who wants to be addicted to anything legal or not. It's still a problem for the individuals addicted.
 
Unless of course it's for pain relief. then again heroin doesn't treat pain it actually treats the emotional reaction to pain ........

Are you seriously arguing against the legalisation of drugs spade ?
 
No I'm just pointing out it wouldn't be as rosey as some people are trying to make out. It would be better than prohibition no doubt but not perfect or ideal and there would be many issues to deal with.

Disagree?
 
The issues would come from existing issues which are currently hidden ( tho increasingly recognised) due to there illegal status. So effectively yes there would appear to be more problems but in fact there would only be clarity.

Disagree ?
 
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Evad said:
there's already been an mephedrone death in europe, there's details in another thread
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The daft cunts listed the wrong drug apparently its 4-mta and not mephedrone! Apart from that there is a suspected death in new zealand. It won't be long though, won't be long. Why couldnt this of just stayed strictly need to know, thank fuck psychdelics arent popular in the same sense!
 
TheSpade said:
I beg to differ. Who wants to be addicted to anything legal or not. It's still a problem for the individuals addicted.
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Not really if it's no problem affording it. Pure heroin doesn't damage your health. You take your maintenance dose and go about your day. If you think it's a problem then it's up to you to change your lifestyle.
 
^ This is very true. People can, do and have functioned for years - decades - perfectly well on maintenance levels of heroin, or other opiates for that matter. It's not like a coke or speed addiction where you're thrashing your body into submission. As long as you get your regular fix it really doesn't affect you day to day.

On the broader point of it being undesirable to be addicted to anything I mostly agree - it's less than ideal. But if you're going to be addicted to anything then heroin is about as benign an addiction as you will get. Legal, pharmacuetical grade heroin that is. Illegal, who-knows-what grade heroin is another matter entirely :|
 
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