Mephedrone Megathread VIII: Hnnnng!

[DS_]

Err. I'm not sure if anyone else gets this with Mephedrone use but after a few grams my right eye becomes "cross-eyed"?

^^ Same as on the left.

Why does it do this? I assume muscle tension?

 

[captain codshit]

This stuff has totally destroyed my brain. I have been in a constant panic attack since thursday. Just this constant overwhelming sense of fear.I have tried everything i can think of to calm down, long walks, relaxation tapes, controlled breathing etc but i just cant calm down. I know i am not in any immediate danger but it really feels like i have lost my mind and am on the verge of psychosis, i am so fucking scared.

Try not to worry too much man and just keep up the walks, relaxation, breathing, eating well etc. I've felt exactly the same before. It will pass. In the mean time, maybe talk to someone close about how you feel and remind yourself you do not want to feel like this again! Hope you feel better soon

 

[TheSpade]

Danny Weed you need some benzos mate.

 

[kailinu]

I'm only using meph for the purpose of feeding my plants, so it will remain legal for me. What a relief!

Seriously I'd like to report something I think might be of interest. Maybe I'm not the first there, but going through 8 megathreads (and counting) or UTFSE with trivial words such as "dose" and "hours" was NOT an option.

So here goes. I received a nice little parcel of meph last Thursday and although I was supposed to meet friends at the movie theater later on, I decided I would try a low dose of the new batch just as a little pick-me-up instead of calling it off because I would have been too tired otherwise. So I weighted 40 mg, dropped it, waited an hour, checked my pupils (they are so inflated on whatever upper I take, that they're a dead giveaway that I am on something - they were somewhat dilated but nothing like saucers) and went out. It worked like a charm. A bit like caffeine with more energy and mood enhancement but without the jitterness. 3 hours later I came back home and decided I had to go for the real thing (I didn't have to work on Friday). And so I did...

I carefully measured 200mg and parachuted it. One hour later : nothing. 90 minutes later : fucking nothing. Maybe I was now much more awake, but where was the euphoria? So I decided to plug an extra 200 mg. 10 minutes later: nothing. More awake than I had ever been, that for sure, but normally, after having plugged 200 mg I need less than 5 minutes to feel higher than God!

I was pissed off: I thought I had been cheated on the stuff. The feeling was almost what I felt when on PeeVee, which I hate, because it always fails to bring me any kind or level of euphoria. Just like cocaine and methylphenidate, tbh: they're hard on my PNS, weak on my CNS. Maybe DARI are just not my thing. But I digress.

Anyway, I could not believe I had been let down by my dealer because he had never disappointed me so far. Couldn't it be something else? More specifically couldn't the lowish first dose have gotten in the way of the subsequent doses? I was intrigued.

So I did a little test 24 hours later. I decided to take some meph again but went straight to the usual dose for me: 200 mg. It did the trick: I had the euphoria that I had been chasing the night before. It was not the full-blown euphoria and it was short-lived (half an hour) but this was expected on two consecutive days of use.

So I'm going to try to replicate the experience very shortly probably on Wednesday. I'll go with an even lower dose the first time, 20 mg probably. I hate the idea of loosing 220 mg but what wouldn't I do in the name of the science...

And although I'm not much of a scientist, I have this Duplo 2 cents theory that contrarily to MDMA, meph inability to produce euphoria after a few hours has nothing to do with monoamine depletion and more to do with the fact that the molecule itself or one of its metabolites gets in the way of a continued CNS efficiency. Maybe it's a given, I just reinvented the wheel and should now deserve the Razzie Award for Worst Scientist of the Year. Well, I'll take my chance: at least I have a much higher chance to start any kind of conversation with Sharon Stone there than where I am now ;-)

Last word of caution for those who would be inclined to emulate the experience (always in the name of science): the euphoria was missing, yes, but wickedly enough, the fiendishness was not. And much more than 440 mg were lost in the process...

 

[Danny Weed]

Try not to worry too much man and just keep up the walks, relaxation, breathing, eating well etc. I've felt exactly the same before. It will pass. In the mean time, maybe talk to someone close about how you feel and remind yourself you do not want to feel like this again! Hope you feel better soon

Thanks man, it is a bit of a relief knowing that someone has felt the same and came out of it.

@Spade - I wish i could get some benzos, but i cant get any at all. I am going to the doctors tomorrow to ask him for something to calm me, ill probly leave with a script for some awful SSRI or something but it is worth a try.

 

[perfect haze]

Wtf....

 

[muttonchops]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/01/drugs-mephedrone-class-d

I'm surprised no one has commented on the proff nut article, esp this bit:

"Is mephedrone harmful? Because its use is so recent there is relatively little evidence on this point, but from its pharmacology we could not make the assumption that it would be completely safe, especially at high doses. Users report effects such as a faster heart rate as one would expect from a stimulant. In the UK, there have been scare stories of mephedrone deaths, but so far none has been proven, though mephedrone was involved in the death of a Swedish teenager in 2008. The Israel experience was that it could lead to repetitive use and stereotyped behaviours in some users consistent with the likely release of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the brain."

common sense from Proff Nutt. I think this speaks volumes. If your going to take meph use in moderation

I respect his professional opinion on drugs more than anyone

 

[perfect haze]

Wasnt that swedish death Methedrone aka bk-pmma aswell.

But thats the most sensible thing ive seen written about meph in ages, espescially on this forum.

 

[Mugz]

I feel almost 100% back to normal after my crazy meph binge on Sunday. I guess the side effects to worry about are the immediate ones and also the ones that might occur in a few years time

 

[captain codshit]

I'm surprised no one has commented on the proff nut article, esp this bit:

"Is mephedrone harmful? Because its use is so recent there is relatively little evidence on this point, but from its pharmacology we could not make the assumption that it would be completely safe, especially at high doses. Users report effects such as a faster heart rate as one would expect from a stimulant. In the UK, there have been scare stories of mephedrone deaths, but so far none has been proven, though mephedrone was involved in the death of a Swedish teenager in 2008. The Israel experience was that it could lead to repetitive use and stereotyped behaviours in some users consistent with the likely release of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the brain."

common sense from Proff Nutt. I think this speaks volumes. If your going to take meph use in moderation

I respect his professional opinion on drugs more than anyone

I agree as none of the meh deaths have been proven. And most of them I have read about it seems other drugs were involved.

Although I found this more interesting...

The European Monitoring Centre on Drugs and Drug Abuse (EMCDDA) is currently gathering Europe-wide evidence of use and harms to decide if mephedrone should be made illegal by the EU. The government would be advised to wait until this report is published, rather than rushing now to make changes to the classification system.

Last year, the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) suggested that new drugs of uncertain harm might be put into a holding class – such as the "class D" approach adopted by New Zealand several years ago to deal with BZP with some success. Drugs in class D are allowed to be sold in limited quantities to adults, with appropriate warnings of health risks and advice on safe use. Manufacturers are licensed, provided they comply with quality control of manufacture and report sales on a regular basis. This allows an accurate knowledge of the use of the drug against which harms such as hospital presentations can be compared so that a good estimate of harm/use ratio can be obtained; an informed decision can then be made whether to make the drug illegal or not. Mephedrone would seem an ideal candidate for instigating such a holding class in the UK.

Looks like it will not be getting banned here in the UK for a while I'd say.

The "class D" approach seems unlikely IMO.

 

[Mailmonkey]

That Class D really does make sense, for all currently controlled drugs....

Enable the authorities to monitor purity, usage figures, health and scoial concerns etc much more effectively than they can at present....

Make sure alcohol and baccy get chucked in there too.

Monk...x

 

[captain codshit]

^ Very unlikely. Judging by the way mephedrone has hit the papers and the fact methcathinone is already class A......

The "class D" approach would be best with most drugs. Much better than prohibition anyway

 

[EyeInTheSky]

In the past couple of months I've ordered 2g of something called LP Sparkle (on two seperate occasions) for my bath. The first 1g was powdery (and smelly) but the second 1g is like crystal (and not smelly)?

If this stuff is crystal this time then it can't be a 'mix' and must be something pure, eg. Mephedrone, Methylone or Flephedrone? Surely it can't be a mix if it's crystal? Or is the powder just milled crystal?

 

[parttime crackhead]

Wasnt that swedish death Methedrone aka bk-pmma aswell.

But thats the most sensible thing ive seen written about meph in ages, espescially on this forum.

I just had to leave a (probably patronising sounding) comment on facebook as someone was shouting about struggling to get MDMA & a girl left a comment saying "get on that plant food stuff" then a bit further down "wikipedia.com/methedrone". I had to be all like "please if you're gonna buy this stuff then buy mePHedrone not fuckin methedrone"

 

[CartoonPHYSICS]

imagine if some fanny actually ordered meTHedrone

MePH is toxic enough without MeTH haha

 

[Fourth_Drive]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/01/drugs-mephedrone-class-d

I'm surprised no one has commented on the proff nut article

Thanks for putting this up, MuttonChops. Isn't it wonderful to see a commentator actually making sense on this topic. So much sense, in fact, that they got the boot. Tragic. This is a case that needs to be made, both vociferously and energetically, before even more harm is caused by the ludicrous solution that is prohibition.

 

[muttonchops]

Thanks for putting this up, MuttonChops. Isn't it wonderful to see a commentator actually making sense on this topic. So much sense, in fact, that they got the boot. Tragic. This is a case that needs to be made, both vociferously and energetically, before even more harm is caused by the ludicrous solution that is prohibition.

It is a breath a fresh air for such a highly regarded scientist coming forward with such commonsense comments regarding drugs. I was thinking this morning on my way to work that I'm going to write him a letter commending him for all his hard work. Lets face it, its was far from easy to go against the powers of government. I think as bluelighters we should essentially class him as a saint.

 

[Mailmonkey]

He is, everything he says makes sense...

When you see him interviewed there's no denying his logic, he always seems so much more thoughtful, practical, logical and well-grounded than the rabid prohibitionists they always pit him against.

Monk...x

 

[muttonchops]

for anyone that uses twitter, you can follow him here: http://twitter.com/ProfDavidNutt

 

[botfly]

is the hnnnng in the title referring to the strange effects it has on you hearing? i think my hearing's been changed long term. when everythings goes quiet i hear a hnnnng like different pitches as well. seems to get better with time though and you don't notice it as much. got strange chest tightness every now and then but i smoke quite a lot so that is probably adding to it.
Danny Weed i would suggest you get an 8pack of becks or grolsch sit there and drink em they will help you to relax.