Mephedrone Megathread VII: Misunderstood Marvels & Malingering Metabolites

[Allein]

Thanks 7zark7, oddly I was reading up about this the other day as its turned up in some pills in the US but it looks like its prescription only in the UK and I do my best tp avoid my GP at all times

I have some Lansoprazole tabs that I sometimes take the day after but wasnt sure about taking them before abuse.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Ginger products - ginger is a recognized antiemetic (used for travel sickness etc)


PS like the title of this edition of the megathread

 

[VyperPunk]

Has anyone noticed any mild visuals with drone?

On my first initial bomb or line of (crystaline) 'drone, I notice that the light in any room has a yellowy/orange 'taint'. Also, everything is very blurry, and I don't mean "if I wave my hand infront of my face" I mean if I look around the room there is a slight trail to everything; not a smooth tracer, more a stuttery trail. Probably due to the insane eye wiggles I guess?

Only happens on first initial dose, not on subsequent ones though.

I quite enjoy the intensity of it, but if it lasted longer than 10/15 minutes, I would get a 'lil scared!



Yeh I always have crystallized ginger on hand as helps with nausea, and very sugary too :D

 

[FutureFlash]

Has anyone noticed any mild visuals with drone?

On my first initial bomb or line of (crystaline) 'drone, I notice that the light in any room has a yellowy/orange 'taint'. Also, everything is very blurry, and I don't mean "if I wave my hand infront of my face" I mean if I look around the room there is a slight trail to everything; not a smooth tracer, more a stuttery trail. Probably due to the insane eye wiggles I guess?

Only happens on first initial dose, not on subsequent ones though.

I quite enjoy the intensity of it, but if it lasted longer than 10/15 minutes, I would get a 'lil scared!



Yeh I always have crystallized ginger on hand as helps with nausea, and very sugary too :D

I've had that, normally when I've been awake for too long and taken far to much though.

 

[adder]

Terrible amphetamine. I don't know exactly what it is supposed to bring up. It's far from good old MDMA, I can only think of that as a way more expensive substitute (good I never had to pay for this shit) of amphetamine with some quasi-MDMA effects. Garbage for me but flephedrone was even worse.

 

[ChinbarWhalloped]

I find if i've been up all night the previous night, then i sleep like a baby the next night, even if i've been necking stims.

Ahh but I'm only a young pup still

 

[The Kid]

Ahh but I'm a only young pup still

And a cheeky fucker as well.

 

[7zark7]

Yeh I always have crystallized ginger on hand as helps with nausea, and very sugary too :D

Crystallised ginger, eh? I knew ginger was 'good' for digestion, but hadn't thought of that to combat nausea.

 

[Bella Figura]

Ginger root capsules are pretty handy too

 

[Ceres]

I just chop up a good big lump of fresh ginger into chunks and add boiled water, honey to taste and let it steep for a bit, worked wonders with those really nasty waves of nausea after waking up.

Then I found 2 ways to (in my case anyway) prevent it: firstly, dont bother forcing yourself to sleep uncomfortably for a couple of hours, just stay awake and through to thenext evening, but stop taking the meph in the afternoon. Eat something decent for dinner and get a good nights sleep.

Secondly, absorbtion of the mephedrone dissolved in water, thru the oral mucosa/sublingual by basically just sloshing it around in my mouth for a good 30 secs - 1minute, whatever you can handle.
Aswell as bringing it on faster than bombing, it (ALLEGEDLY) helps a lot of it skip first-pass metabolism in the liver, so it goes into your bloodstream unchanged, without having to go through your liver initially which is what creates the dodgy metabolites, and leaves them circulating in your system for longer during the experience and while you're coming down. (At least that's my understanding).

I've never had the sweaty fucked up sleep, or bouts of nauseua since applying that aproach.....

 

[khatman]

I just chop up a good big lump of fresh ginger into chunks and add boiled water, honey to taste and let it steep for a bit, worked wonders with those really nasty waves of nausea after waking up.

Then I found 2 ways to (in my case anyway) prevent it: firstly, dont bother forcing yourself to sleep uncomfortably for a couple of hours, just stay awake and through to thenext evening, but stop taking the meph in the afternoon. Eat something decent for dinner and get a good nights sleep.

Secondly, absorbtion of the mephedrone dissolved in water, thru the oral mucosa/sublingual by basically just sloshing it around in my mouth for a good 30 secs - 1minute, whatever you can handle.
Aswell as bringing it on faster than bombing, it (ALLEGEDLY) helps a lot of it skip first-pass metabolism in the liver, so it goes into your bloodstream unchanged, without having to go through your liver initially which is what creates the dodgy metabolites, and leaves them circulating in your system for longer during the experience and while you're coming down. (At least that's my understanding).

I've never had the sweaty fucked up sleep, or bouts of nauseua since applying that aproach.....

I would be interested to know if metabolism by the liver is what creates the dodgy metabolites, anyone in the know?

Apart from the one time I experimented with snorting a line and smoking a hit I have always plugged meph so assume that skips the first pass metabolism.
I never have experienced any nasty effects from it although I have built a tolerance.

 

[Allein]

I just chop up a good big lump of fresh ginger into chunks and add boiled water, honey to taste and let it steep for a bit, worked wonders with those really nasty waves of nausea after waking up.

Then I found 2 ways to (in my case anyway) prevent it: firstly, dont bother forcing yourself to sleep uncomfortably for a couple of hours, just stay awake and through to thenext evening, but stop taking the meph in the afternoon. Eat something decent for dinner and get a good nights sleep.

Secondly, absorbtion of the mephedrone dissolved in water, thru the oral mucosa/sublingual by basically just sloshing it around in my mouth for a good 30 secs - 1minute, whatever you can handle.
Aswell as bringing it on faster than bombing, it (ALLEGEDLY) helps a lot of it skip first-pass metabolism in the liver, so it goes into your bloodstream unchanged, without having to go through your liver initially which is what creates the dodgy metabolites, and leaves them circulating in your system for longer during the experience and while you're coming down. (At least that's my understanding).

I've never had the sweaty fucked up sleep, or bouts of nauseua since applying that aproach.....

Thanks to you and FB for the advice, i will give that a go, I had thought about Ginger but had discounted it as my long suffering partner tried it for morning sickness with no effect, but on relflection that isnt a reason to assume it wouldnt help in this instance.

I resisted the opertunity of picking up on FB's words "Ginger Products" I toyed with a number of images but didnt think i could do them justice in words

 

[onefoursevenfive]

recently i had a lot of this stuff lying about and decided to use some, i think i took it too far...

i racked up a chunky line as long as ur finger, done it.

after 5 mins or so and peaking heavily i racked up 2 more lines of the same size and got 2 straws, done them both at the same time and after another 5 mins maybe i couldnt really stand, had to pass out on my bed, for the next 30 mins i couldnt really speak or open my eyes just toss and turn with passing images when i managed to get my eyes open, this was the most fuct iv been off any drug without going unconcious.

i remember trying to helplessly shout on my mate in the next room but couldnt and only managed to roll onto the stereo remote, the music came on and because of that i managed to sort of work myself out of it by starting to dance, crazy or what lol? anyone else done this much before at once? and had similar effects.

 

[Ceres]

I would be interested to know if metabolism by the liver is what creates the dodgy metabolites, anyone in the know?

Apart from the one time I experimented with snorting a line and smoking a hit I have always plugged meph so assume that skips the first pass metabolism.
I never have experienced any nasty effects from it although I have built a tolerance.

There's a paper quoted in the wikipedia article for mephedrone about a study into the metabolism (Metabolism of the new designer drug mephedrone and toxicological detection of the beta keto designer drugs mephedrone, butylone and methylone in urine : M.R. Meyer, F.T. Peters, H.H. Maurer)

If you eat the mephedrone it has to get down your throat, interact with stomach acid and so on until it gets to the the liver and partial metabolism/breakdown into other substances happens then (first-pass) before it even reaches your bloodstream and can get to your brain, before being finally metabolised again in the liver and excreted (second-pass).

So plugging, IV, sublingual and so ought to skip that and prevent hours of being exposed to metabolites .

(at least that's how I understand it 8) I'm just guessing)

 

[khatman]

There's a paper quoted in the wikipedia article for mephedrone about a study into the metabolism (Metabolism of the new designer drug mephedrone and toxicological detection of the beta keto designer drugs mephedrone, butylone and methylone in urine : M.R. Meyer, F.T. Peters, H.H. Maurer)

If you eat the mephedrone it has to get down your throat, interact with stomach acid and so on until it gets to the the liver and partial metabolism/breakdown into other substances happens then (first-pass) before it even reaches your bloodstream and can get to your brain, before being finally metabolised again in the liver and excreted (second-pass).

So plugging, IV, sublingual and so ought to skip that and prevent hours of being exposed to metabolites .

(at least that's how I understand it 8) I'm just guessing)

Very interesting, thanks Ceres.
I will go and have a read of that wiki page.

Something that I found strange regarding mephedrone is that my friends that used to bomb it and then tried plugging it found that it did not hit any harder unlike MDMA which in my experience does hit harder when plugged.

 

[MeDieViL]

recently i had a lot of this stuff lying about and decided to use some, i think i took it too far...

i racked up a chunky line as long as ur finger, done it.

after 5 mins or so and peaking heavily i racked up 2 more lines of the same size and got 2 straws, done them both at the same time and after another 5 mins maybe i couldnt really stand, had to pass out on my bed, for the next 30 mins i couldnt really speak or open my eyes just toss and turn with passing images when i managed to get my eyes open, this was the most fuct iv been off any drug without going unconcious.

i remember trying to helplessly shout on my mate in the next room but couldnt and only managed to roll onto the stereo remote, the music came on and because of that i managed to sort of work myself out of it by starting to dance, crazy or what lol? anyone else done this much before at once? and had similar effects.

Meph fucked me up like no other drug before.

 

[ColtDan]

recently i had a lot of this stuff lying about and decided to use some, i think i took it too far...

i racked up a chunky line as long as ur finger, done it.

after 5 mins or so and peaking heavily i racked up 2 more lines of the same size and got 2 straws, done them both at the same time and after another 5 mins maybe i couldnt really stand, had to pass out on my bed, for the next 30 mins i couldnt really speak or open my eyes just toss and turn with passing images when i managed to get my eyes open, this was the most fuct iv been off any drug without going unconcious.

i remember trying to helplessly shout on my mate in the next room but couldnt and only managed to roll onto the stereo remote, the music came on and because of that i managed to sort of work myself out of it by starting to dance, crazy or what lol? anyone else done this much before at once? and had similar effects.

kind of - combined alot of booze with snorting alot of crystal meph one night at a club and ended up conked out on the floor outside having a cigarette gurning my face off, eye wobbles and eye rolling like you wouldn't believe. it was kind of trippy, my vision fucked up. my body felt weightless

few of my mates came out and asked me if im alright and got me some water and i was like "im fineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" rubbing my face. infact it was fucking euphoric bliss, but messy. i knew that the meph high is only short so i just enjoyed it and told my mates how much i love them, got some hugs from ladys which felt so nice and warm, my whole body felt like it was on a nice warm cloud. then i came back down and was pretty drunk but the meph wore off leaving me with a nice afterglow buzz

 

[MeDieViL]

The first time i did meph i snorted 2 big lines after eachother, after that i got the most intense eye whigles i've ever experiences, my eyes were literally smashing from one side to another, i tought i was at risk of getting a seizure so i tried to cover my eyes and sit down, i felt the most awesome ever tough.

Its amazing how this stuff can fuck you up.

 

[fastandbulbous]

recently i had a lot of this stuff lying about and decided to use some, i think i took it too far...

i racked up a chunky line as long as ur finger, done it.

after 5 mins or so and peaking heavily i racked up 2 more lines of the same size and got 2 straws, done them both at the same time and after another 5 mins maybe i couldnt really stand, had to pass out on my bed, for the next 30 mins i couldnt really speak or open my eyes just toss and turn with passing images when i managed to get my eyes open, this was the most fuct iv been off any drug without going unconcious.

i remember trying to helplessly shout on my mate in the next room but couldnt and only managed to roll onto the stereo remote, the music came on and because of that i managed to sort of work myself out of it by starting to dance, crazy or what lol? anyone else done this much before at once? and had similar effects.

Perfect example of why the Daily Mail etc call for legal highs to be banned. Just because it's legal it doesn;t mean it;s safe...

 

[captain codshit]

The first time i did meph i snorted 2 big lines after eachother, after that i got the most intense eye whigles i've ever experiences, my eyes were literally smashing from one side to another, i tought i was at risk of getting a seizure so i tried to cover my eyes and sit down, i felt the most awesome ever tough.

Its amazing how this stuff can fuck you up.

I've had it too. Funny as it was around 8am after we'd run out then someone found another gramme. Between 3 of us we bombed about 250 each then 10 mins later sniffed about 50-100mg. We were all absolutely flattened.. More so than any other point in the night!! All lying down on the bed, tunes blasting, insane eye wobbles and rushes. Totally loved up and spannered! Really warm rushes and almost unable to see with such intense eye wobbles!!!

That was after a night camping. In the morning 3 of us opted to head back to a mates rather than go home like the rest. We were fucked all night, then ran out. For some reason at 8am that doses smashed all 3 of us so much harder.