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Mephedrone Megathread VI: Anyone Seen My Heartvalves?

Can I just say once more, that I never - not even slightly - suggested directly that 'purple knees' is the result of a psychosomatic reaction, or indeed that all negative side-effects are as such. Even though dermatitis is quite a common psychosomatic reaction and could relate to some of the rashes people have noted...but I'm NOT suggesting that at all.

Please don't twist my words - I suggest reading them instead ;)
 
InternetMuse said:
Please don't twist my words - I suggest reading them instead ;)
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Please explain how you think i twisted your words.

InternetMuse said:
As for the psychosomatic suggestion, it was just a suggestion.
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I realise it was just a suggestion. I realise this because you typed it (and i quoted that part). Even though you were making this hypothetical suggestion as part of a larger point about your perception of anti-mephedrone bluelight hysteria i still think it was relevant for me to mention that we had actually all seen pictures of purple knees in the past and in this particular instance it is probably not psychosomatic.
 
Fair enough :) You're certainly right, I just don't want people to misconceive what I was saying.

The comment was more a reaction to the others who used one example of an uncommon side-effect to completely dismiss the idea that there might be psychosomatic aspects to some of the stated side-effects.
 
I'm not going to answer your post at great length, because I can't really be bothered arguing with someone on the internet - nor do I want to.

I just think you sound a little cynical of people's issues sometimes, and perhaps need to realise that quite a few very knowledgeable people have said that these dangers could exist before people even took the drug, and then those effects actually arose - even in the people that hadn't read about it beforehand.

Also, I answer a lot of other threads because I can talk about more than one thing at once, and feel I have more to add.
 
To be honest, I agree with InternetMuse regarding some of the symptoms. There seems to be plenty of people posting about their heart feeling dodgy, only to have a check up and there be nothing wrong at all.

One thing that is confusing about peoples meph experiences is that now it's 99% all bad, whereas 6 months ago is was more or less all positive.......
 
One thing that is confusing about peoples meph experiences is that now it's 99% all bad, whereas 6 months ago is was more or less all positive.......
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The people that first get access to a little known research chemical (at least it was at the time) tend to be interested, educated on the subject (self educated at least) and generally less likely to be the kind of people who get hold of an unknown white powder and think 'Gee whiz this stuff must be safe, it's legal!'.

As a result of this and other factors i don't find it that impossible to imagine that those real negative side effects that may manifest themselves at higher dosages may not have been encountered anything like as regularly 6 months ago as they are now.

It is quite possible for there to be psychosomatic negative reactions to the drug that are occuring more commonly now that people are aware of the possibility AS WELL AS there being real negative biochemical drug effects.
 
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MrM said:
It is quite possible for there to be psychosomatic negative reactions to the drug that are occuring more commonly know that people are aware of the possibility AS WELL AS there being real negative biochemical drug effects.
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That makes sense.
 
FYI a friend of mine works with drug users. The local authorities send them updates on growing drug trends etc. Today they received one on meph and it said: it is unlikely it will be banned before half way through 2010
 
The Kid said:
One thing that is confusing about peoples meph experiences is that now it's 99% all bad, whereas 6 months ago is was more or less all positive.......
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This points to one of a few things:

a) Long term, regular use of the substance causes cumulative negative effects.

b) The substance has seen an increase in impure/tainted/cut batches being used.

c) People experiencing positive effects feel like they aren't really supposed to express them, because every time they do they are patronised and spoken down to.

d) All of this talk of negative effects is getting into people's heads and increasing the likelihood that people are going to see/feel/create/recognise such symptoms. The increased levels of anxiety people are reporting in general I feel points in such a direction.

e) Long term use leads to abuse, 3/4/5 day binges without sleep or proper nutrition will also cause a lot of the issues being stated regardless of the substance (but not the purple knees, granted).

Personally, I think it's mostly A and E with a bit of C thrown in and dash of D on rare occasions.

For what it's worth, about two weeks ago I had my first session at home with my GF. 500mg over about 12 hours insufflated in ~80mg doses. Combined with about 12 - 15 units of alcohol, 800mg Ibuprofen (taken in two doses: one halfway, one at the end) and half a pack of cigarettes (light).

Felt great, had a right laugh of a time, no negative side effects at all. Jaw movement and tension less than MDMA, didn't eat my own cheeks or tongue. Didn't feel sick at any point, didn't feel light-headed at any point, didn't notice anything particularly out of the ordinary about my heart (given the context). No red splotches, no rash, no purple knees or elbows, no cold feet/hands, no limp dick. The only 'negative' side effect was that I couldn't sleep until the following evening (partly a conscious decision to not completely ruin sleeping patterns by going to sleep at 2pm).

Slightly sore muscles the next day because of so much activity, but hangover was less than usual for consuming that much alcohol. No ongoing anxiety whatsoever. Felt quite happy and content with life in general, didn't get any depression. Was horny as all hell for the following 24hrs after effects had completely gone and after 10 hrs sleep (not to mention during, geeze!). Have felt a psychological pull towards taking it again, mostly because of the association with such a great time - and will probably take a similar dose in about a week's time; which will be three and a bit weeks since the first time.

So, there's another one for the 1% brigade. Cue three or four people telling me 'yeah, but that was your first time...you just wait.' Which is fair enough, because they're almost certainly right. But that's what happened to me, make of it what you will. Honeymoon period FTW :D
 
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I've had two seperate deliveries of this stuff from the same online vendor. I've still not touched either of them yet. I'm just wondering about the difference between the 2.
One gram is quite crystally, still very fine, but crystally nonetheless. The other doesn't seem to have a shine to it at all, more like a powder. But both from the same vendor?
Anyone know of any differences between the 2?
 
InternetMuse said:
This points to one of a few things:

a) Long term, regular use of the substance causes cumulative negative effects.

c) People experiencing positive effects feel like they aren't really supposed to express them, because every time they do they are patronised and spoken down to.
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I guess I am in the 1% brigade also as I have been a regular, weekly user of Mephedrone.
Never had a binge though and only get 1 gram per week.
If I miss sleep even without taking drugs I feel crap the next day so I take the meph in the early evening so I can sleep at my normal time. Feel great the next morning.

The only downside for me is it does give me speed willy.
 
THERE SEEMS TO BE DODGY BATCHES BEING SOLD IN YORK AND BARNSLEY.

IDK much info about it but street dealers in Barnsley and York I have heard are selling very dodgey batches of meph. Got friends in both places and they both reported the same problems. Upon snorting very harsh burns on the nose, and continued burning down the throat, 1 of the guys even said that bit that seperastes his nostrils were thinner the next day. Both users felt ill after taking also. Don't know much else apart from it was crystally but not sparkley, kind of like ket.
If you're in York or Barnsley be careful the stuff seems dodgy
 
sallycinnamon1 said:
I've had two seperate deliveries of this stuff from the same online vendor. I've still not touched either of them yet. I'm just wondering about the difference between the 2.
One gram is quite crystally, still very fine, but crystally nonetheless. The other doesn't seem to have a shine to it at all, more like a powder. But both from the same vendor?
Anyone know of any differences between the 2?
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I believe I have had both these batches. I think you'll find the non crystally powder to be very weak in comparison to the crystally stuff. Every batch of mephedrone I get is different. The weaker stuff is less painful snorted but much weaker
 
There has long been much talk about the fiendish/moreish/addictive nature of mephedrone, but I never came across this until recently.

All previous times I've taken mephedrone it's been orally, 250mg doses, never exceeding 500mg in a night. I also never felt the need to take more after the effects began to wear off.

However, I tried snorting mephedrone for the first time properly and can now relate to the fiendish behavior that this chemical brings out on people. Very different when snorted, ended up going through more than I should.

Not saying bombing is any safer, but it is far easier to control the re-dosing than snorting is; never snorting it again!
 
this stuff is fucking fiendish, its on par with cigarette cravings for me at times,
 
Tis' indeed. Also, for some reason, as soon as I take my first dose, my bowels instantly kick into gear and I feel like I need to evacuate them. Does anyone else find this?
 
InternetMuse said:
This points to one of a few things:

a) Long term, regular use of the substance causes cumulative negative effects.

b) The substance has seen an increase in impure/tainted/cut batches being used.

c) People experiencing positive effects feel like they aren't really supposed to express them, because every time they do they are patronised and spoken down to.

d) All of this talk of negative effects is getting into people's heads and increasing the likelihood that people are going to see/feel/create/recognise such symptoms. The increased levels of anxiety people are reporting in general I feel points in such a direction.

e) Long term use leads to abuse, 3/4/5 day binges without sleep or proper nutrition will also cause a lot of the issues being stated regardless of the substance (but not the purple knees, granted).

Personally, I think it's mostly A and E with a bit of C thrown in and dash of D on rare occasions.
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You missed point B. Try and explain the difference between batches, and the people experiencing bad effects, as opposed to different batches. Also, people who haven't even read about the bad effects before taking it, but are getting them. I'm not bothering, any more. You just seem too 'pro meph' for my liking.
 
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