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Mephedrone Megathread VI: Anyone Seen My Heartvalves?

around 300mg over 6 hours,

ive been doing it every other weekend, 500mg, on average for 6 months, combined with a reasonable amount of alcohol every time (ive never taken it fully sober)

it started off amazing, now its not worth it, and i can feel my body telling me

my tolerance has increased but i refuse to increase my dose. however, i still get a nasty come down. this come down has been different though, no emotional ups and downs and feeling head fucked, just my body feels kind of "weak". did some weight lifting, jogging etc earlier and my heart was fucking hammering and i felt dizzy. no pain or nothing, just a general kind of "urgh fuck this"
 
Interesting, let us know if the feeling subsides.

6g over the past 6 months is interesting that you are having negative effects - many people do that in a week (stupidly) without reporting the same. Although many indications are that this substance has a honeymoon period and then you should be done with it.

Keep us updated!
 
over those 6months ive had minor red "hot" hands, very bad come downs which last for days, thumping heart beat problems, strange problems where i wake up and see full on static for about 10 seconds after a night on meph. This stuff no longer stimulates me properly, i do a few lines onto of booze and it makes me feel abit monged for some reason. I was fine for about 2 months, had zero problems. Then i decided to do it friday and saturday night once and it all started going wrong for me. Never did 2 days in a row again. This stuff was perfect for partys and raves, im gonna miss it
 
oh yeah and ive tried many different vendors, I actually found the very smelly stuff gave the best effect, altho in the end itd give me a headache and lingering light visuals. Also had short term memory problems. Fuckit im getting rid of the rest of my stuff. Might stick with booze, its crap and unhealthy but nothing near as bad as this
 
I think I'm done with Meph. I had fun doing it every weekend for the past month, but this last weekend's comedown hit me hard. I had a massive headache/fever, sore neck, sore throat, and just generally aching muscles all over with absolutely no energy or motivation to do anything. I felt like I was in hell. It took about 3 full days to recover from the physical effects, but mentally I'm still feeling pretty lazy/unmotivated. It's weird because at first the comedown wasn't bad, but it slowly progressed for the worse after each session, something that has been noted already on this message board. I also experience that strange sensation where you can hear/feel your heart beating when trying to sleep, even though the rate isn't necessarily elevated. So after reviewing all the negatives I feel it's best to stay off it. It was a fun ride though.

On a side note I used to think coke comedowns were worse. Having experienced both now, I would definitely say the immediate comedown of coke is worse than Meph, however a Meph comedown tends to linger and is most noticeable in the following days after a session. On the other hand, once you get past the jitters after your final line of coke and manage to get some sleep, you're more or less fine the day after, other than a stuffy head and maybe some general soreness. Does anyone else agree?
 
I'm not saying anything should be banned

Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were. That quote of mine related to something Codshit said, I just thought it was relevant.

or even that people shouldn't take mephedrone though, I am pro legalisation, with legalisation in action the regulations on mephedrone would be more tightly controlled and people would be able to run proper trials on the substance and educate them on the risks.

Agreed.

This isn't government propaganda that I'm listening to, it's the concern of very clever chemistry/pharmacology types who are generally pro drug and pro legalisation.

I know. I hope you know I'm not dismissing the BL science, I am not trying to undermine it, I am not being 'pro-mephedrone'. My point is that if the message about mephedrone metabolites is sooooo serious as is being mooted then this message needs to be delivered to people in a clear, understandable and non-judgemental way. For whatever reasons, maybe because the pro-meph lobby pisses you all off so much (sorry but idiots have to have the right to take drugs too), your 'side', your view, fails on all three counts. The science is not being presented clearly in an understandable manner for the 99.999999% of people who wouldn't ever go to ADD and the judgemental stuff, the demonization, the 'your drug is dirtier than my drug' stuff will isolate users from listening to what they need to hear.

Why has no other substance caused this much concern?

Rising popularity of taking drugs can now be done for tuppence legally. The masses are taking it. And it appears not to be very good for you. But it seems almost that its toxicity is increasing with its appeal if you get me? (Again, not wishing to undermine its obvious apparent real toxic issues).

Why is nobody talking about the dangers of methylone or butylone?

Numbers. I reckon its about a 90/10 meph/methylone split don't you? Shambles and a few others might have something to say about methylone issues. But it ain't news is it? The country's not doing methylone.

There is so much more knowledge on the actions of drugs now I don't think the MDMA comparison is such a good one.

Its not so far out a comparison. People were fed lots of negative science about MDMA (which largely turned out to be bollocks and discredited) which didn't fit with their experience what they wanted to hear and they continued to dance regardless. Perhaps science is paying for others earlier mistakes now because it all filters down, people have been told bollocks about drugs for so long now that it isn't surprising when they stop listening is it? That's why its got to be clear, understandable, non-judgemental. And right.

People weren't using 10 grams of MDMA a week and thinking it was 100% safe in 1990 were they?

People were using E and thinking it was safe because it 'felt' safe. Of course the amounts were different. E didn't lend itself to redosing like meph. But essentially yes, people used lots of E, every weekend, despite many messages from the media etc telling them they'd fry their brains.

Add in the binge culture, an addictive drug, legality and cheapness and bingo! ADD you have a problem. Explain your message to the masses better. Hint. Just say no has been proven to not work. Like prohibition.
 
Some clever bodkin, who works for the government, needs to do some real scientific study on mephedrone, instead of just banning it, and driving the use underground. Perhaps all this hysteria is uncalled for, and it doesn't cause any lasting damage, but I have a feeling that isn't the case. Only after a good few decades or more (as with with MDMA) will we see the truth about long term issues. I hope for a lot of people's sake that this drug is as benign as most of the people taking it (people that don't bother to research anything) seem to think it is.
 
SHM, it must be the meph frying my brain, but i can't help agreeing with what you have posted above.

It does seem that the pro-meph lobby is rapidly shrinking though.
 
Meph is far from the perfect drug. It's almost certainly terrible for your heart and it's probably not that great for your brain either. People don't take drugs for their health benefits though, and meph does a fairly decent job of getting you high.

Like I said in a previous post, it's not one to integrate into your lifestyle. Not even on a monthly basis. If you hit it for a few months, that's fine as long as you never touch it again and give your heart some peace for a bit. If you're doing it long-term, even moderately, I have a feeling your heart will give in sooner rather than later.

30% of deaths come from some sort of heart failure as it is, you don't need meph ruining it*.

Having said that I do like taking meph, and I will get some more before it's banned and then hopefully that will be the end of meph in my life.

EDIT: * it being your heart
 
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im worried about the heart issues, esp since i dont think mine is very healthy already, hit meph pretty hard, havent done for a week, getting a g tonight with a few beers then im done i dont want to drop dead from it its not worth the risk.
 
I've counted about four people in the last few days that say they're done with meph. I think it's best, until people know a bit more about it.
 
^ I hope this shift manifests itself among some people I know. Someone said somewhere up there that The General Public are starting to cotton onto the fact that it's potentially very dodgy... I hope so.
 
I was pretty surprised at the amount of people talking about those 'bubbles' when I was out at the weekend. They dont know what it is but say it feels nice but makes you want more and more - my best mate made me promise her that I would never ever take it as I had been telling her the stories from here.
 
my best mate made me promise her that I would never ever take it as I had been telling her the stories from here.

And would your best friend be happy for you to drop 4 or 5 'pills' not knowing what they are, just because you were told they were 'mad pure MDMA'?

Or how about having some coke which is likely about 5 - 10% actual cocaine?

The thing is, at least with this you can be pretty much certain of what chemical you are putting into your body. This allows you to look at the growing body of evidence about it and make an informed decision. You can't say that about many of the illegal substances because they are almost never of high purity.

I'm also glad that people are starting to realise that there is a downside to 4-MMC, because everywhere you go people are taking it to an abusive degree and this needs to stop as soon as possible.

But, given how widespread use of this is (and we're talking tens of thousands of people using it every weekend) the fact remains that there are relatively few dire complications being brought forward. That doesn't mean that they aren't there - but it's important to look at them rationally and in perspective, particularly on this forum.

Like most things, moderation and education are what's needed.

p.s. scarring of the heart? that sounds like something worth looking into - source please.
 
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I hope the general public (ie anyone who isn't a BLer!) realise the downsides to meph and cut back their useage massively.

This is purely from a selfish point of view, because i don't want it to get banned! As someone who isn't resident in the UK, it makes life so much easier being able to easily buy a drug!

I do realise my wish aint going to happen though!
 
Yeah, I think that ship has already sailed...goodbye to legal (untaxed) highs of any kind within a few years :(

We shall see.......

Legalisation/de-criminalisation is slowly taking place in many countries. Personal possession of any drug is not a crime in Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Czech Republic or the Baltic states (according the The Economist).
 
We shall see.......

Legalisation/de-criminalisation is slowly taking place in many countries. Personal possession of any drug is not a crime in Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Czech Republic or the Baltic states (according the The Economist).

I've always liked Prague... :D
 
p.s. scarring of the heart? that sounds like something worth looking into - source please.

Had a quick search and it didn't bring up anything, I'll have a look to see if I can find what I read to make me think that.

It's possible I misunderstood, but I believe the discussion was about mephedrone's metabolites and how they were similar to ephedrines and how vasoconstriction could cause the heart to scar if it wasn't getting enough oxygen.
 
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