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Mephedrone Megathread VI: Anyone Seen My Heartvalves?

Hey guys, be nice, I'm sure the journalist will be fair and impartial and certainly not manipulate everything horribly to support his own arguments.
 
LOL I was considering taking the bait until I read you guys' responses ^^... I'm assuming "the last guy to talk to the BBC about RCs" was that guy on George Lamb's documentary?
 
Hello again,

I understand your concerns and want to assure you that although questions in the interview would be robust, you would be treated fairly.

It is important for any debate to be balanced and I sure you would prefer if it was not just "the other side" whose point of view was put across.

As I am sure you would guess, the interest is prompted by the tragedy in Brighton over the weekend. Many people are hearing about the drug for the first time and we want to help them understand what it is.

I wasn't aware of the George Lamb documentary - I'm sorry if it was a bad experience for the person who took part.

If you prefer, the interview would be pre-recorded and, as I said, anonymous.

Jonathan

(PS. Tom does the news, not the weather ;-) )
 
I understand people’s reticence to talk to the media, but I'm not working on a three hour deadline; We're making an hour long documentary for BBC 3 and we have a few months to really investigate the legal high landscape on order to make a fair, balanced and accurate film.
We have plenty of time to gather opinions from all direction – the government, users, retailers, health professionals etc on both sides of the debate.
There are no preconceived notions, no angle that we’re trying to work. We just want to be able to have an honest and open discussion.

The point is that we make a balanced film that puts across all the info for our viewers so they can make up their own minds about any legal highs they might come across, particularly at this year’s festival season.
The key for me is to remain objective and ask the sorts of questions that people want answered, i.e. what’s in these things? Do they work? Why would the government want to ban them? Do they offer drug users a way to enjoy themselves without being criminalised? Does legal mean safe? Etc.
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This is what the guy recruiting for the George Lamb doc told everyone. Sounds a lot like you. You might be impartial, but experience suggests you won't be, and that anyone who participates will be made to look like a reckless mug. Sorry.
 
Essentially people take drugs because they like the effect. Illegality carries risk therefore development of "legal" alternatives appears to be in the security interests of both users & suppliers. Thus further criminalisation of RCs will lead inevitably to further research creating new products which fall outside of the MoDA. It's an cycle which ought to be ended. Based upon research carried out over the past one hundred years at any given point the percentage of "drug addicts" in the population has remained steady at 1.8%.
This tells us that people will use drugs irrespective of legality - logically the best thing to do is offer the public substances from which effect to harm ratio is maximised. Many are available & to plough the money spent on LE into treatment of addictions & underlying conditions that may predispose people to use seems humane & socially responsible, wouldn't you agree?


However if you want someone to say " wow man it blew my fucking mind then i didn't eat for a week" what exactly are you anticipating you're going to acheive in the annals of journalism ?
 
JSavage said:
I understand your concerns and want to assure you that although questions in the interview would be robust, you would be treated fairly.
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Questions in the interview will centre around emotional issues in a hysterical atmosphere because a pretty young girl has died (cause yet unproven). The questions will centre around mephedrone in isolation, out of context from the prohibitionist laws that only ever exacerbate problems.

You are not qualified to even ask the right questions Jonathon.

It is important for any debate to be balanced
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:) Explain a century of anti-drug propaganda then.

and I sure you would prefer if it was not just "the other side" whose point of view was put across.
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We're used to it. See above.
 
The George Lamb business was a pre recorded television "documentary" the same promises were made to whoever took part and then they were edited down to look like a clueless moron. If you see him around the corridors of the bbc tell him he's a cunt will you ;)? What kind of the format are you using? I enjoyed this BBC radio 1 one on ketamine, fairly balanced and good soundtrack (always important) if I can pick the soundtrack and give out the mephedrone info in an MC stylee then I'm game!
 
I have a sore tongue from licking meph rail leftovers off a cd case. Definitely not kind to skin.
 
Jonathan come on.
All you are gonna recruit is some famestruck ijut - do you really think you will get a balanced interviewee!
Maybe that is the sort of interview you wish for???

Stick it up your rse!!
 
Sampled Meph for the first time tonight.

My mate came down with 5g plus 1g M1 so we could stick it all in capsules for the weekend (this is to go round 8 of us). Obviously it would have been rude for us not to try it. Racked up two 100mg lines and straight up the nostril.

Quite fucking rough up the nose at first but then quickly forgot about the pain as it kicked in. Was totaly surprised by how strong the dunt was. Both of us were totaly off our faces. Really enjoyed it though, miles better than any Pips based bill or legal shit. High was short lived though and couldn't resist a second line each, 100mg again. Didnt get anywhere near as good a kick of the second line though. Pretty much just prolonged the effects of the first. Stayed strong and put the rest away for the weekend

Can see why this stuff is so fiendish though. Was instantly thinking of doing anoother line when the first was levelling off. Feel almost normal now, seccond line was at 10pm. Hopefully still sleep well.

I take it 200mg wont be enough for any really awful comedown effects??

Jaw still has some tension in it. Think I'll be investing in some magnesium tablets for the weekend as I have a tendency to scrape my tongue against my teeth when I get 'the jaw'

Overall, quite impressed but defo wont be turning into an every weekend thing. Maybe get a bit at New Year if the MDMA situation is still as dire in Glasgow by then.
 
Very impressed you're not doing another line. Sounds exactly like me when I first tried it. Especially "High was short lived though and couldn't resist a second line each, 100mg again. Didnt get anywhere near as good a kick of the second line though. Pretty much just prolonged the effects of the first." Looking at the clock realizing its getting light outside... argh meph is a bitch. One and a half weeks since I've done it now and the urge to reorder is pretty much nonexistant.
 
Right it is just under 2 weeks now since I had my first experience with this stuff.
300mg bombed thoughout the night, and a 50mg line towards the end.

I think I already mentioned that I've noticed a few issues with my heart since then. Just wanted to ask you guys opinion of whether I should be worrying or not.

The 3 things I've noticed have been:

-A general awareness of the beating of my heart, which I never normally had. No out of the ordinary beating, just that I 'notice' my heartbeat, whereas I never did before . (is this called heart palputations or something?) This seems to be a pretty constant syptom.

-The very occasional chest-pain, when for 30 seconds or so, there is a stinging pain in the chest when I try to breathe in. This has happened maybe once every other day since.

-Finally, my heartrate seems to increase more with excercise than it did before. Obviously increase in heartrate is a natural consequence of excercise, but it seems to increase quicker, and with less excercise than prompted increases in the past.

I don't know whether to go see a doctor about this, or just wait a little while longer to see if it fades. A lot of it may well be anxiety about the health risks that are being talked about, hence tricking my mind into noticing these problems?
 
eclipsedesign said:
Very impressed you're not doing another line.
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Aye, quite proud of myself. Its sitting in my kitchen cupboard as well, about a foot from where Im sitting on the laptop. My mate couldnt trust himself to take it home with him as he's an absolute fiend lol.

Got One cap with 150mg M1 and two caps with 200mg Meph for myself on Friday night and once its gone its gone. Dont think you can buy it anywhere in Glasgow so no chance of going on a massive binge. Although there will be a load of cocaine of variable quality kicking about no doubt.
 
One thing that has surprised me about mephedrone is the lack of media attention about it, I've never done it, and have read enough to be put off it entirely, however it just...amazes me, that Meph is currently the drug of choice in many areas and at many parties, people are going insane over it. There's also so much complications that meph causes, people being unable to stop binging, their blood circulation going insane, hands turning blue, faces becoming white, people always commenting how bad they feel after it's all done.

Yet, the media seems to be ignoring it completely, they usually jump on "legal high" stories, BZP has always been in the media, and that was never even a popular drug and didn't cause too many complaints except an occasional hangover, with most people having never even heard of it.

I'm just wondering when we'll see headlines like "New untested drug more moreish than cocaine sold to kids...legally!"
 
just a quick question for the guy from the bbc, i mean no offence by this but you are an investigative journalist right? why not jump in head first and try it yourself then youll be able to answer a lot of your own questions that way
 
spudhed said:
just a quick question for the guy from the bbc, i mean no offence by this but you are an investigative journalist right? why not jump in head first and try it yourself then youll be able to answer a lot of your own questions that way
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There's a guy from the BBC here? Doesn't seem too great for Meph's future then. :S

Their "Can I get high legally?" documentary was very biased about legal highs, I feel that they ignored all the positives of legal highs, and rather used inane reasoning about how kids were getting hold of it, and how it was as powerful as illegal drugs, but untested. Ignoring important bits, such as people were more inclined to do something legal and stay on the right side of the law, whereas if the legal stuff wasn't available they'd probably have broken the law, and also almost no mentioning how with legal drugs, you know exactly what you're buying with no adulterants.
 
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