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Mephedrone Megathread - Third time lucky?

aye you've not washed your meph with acetone, you've just added acetone to your meph.

can some1 who knows a bit more about this than me tell me if there's actually any point in washing it? if you're buying from a known decent vendor it's not gonna be cut at all & if it is a dodgy synth then would washing it do any good? i wouldn't think so but i know fuck all about this sort of thing
 
I don't know if anyone here would know the answer to this, in fact I don't know if anyone will know the answer at all yet. But, is this stuff likely to show up as amphetamine on a drug test? I'm guessing so. Also, would anyone like to have a guess as to how long it stays in your system for?

I ask this because I had a test 2 and a half days after having some. I had a bit of a binge on the Sunday, then a line on Monday night (late, around 11:30) I then got tested around 10:30 Thursday morning.
 
parttime crackhead said:
aye you've not washed your meph with acetone, you've just added acetone to your meph.

can some1 who knows a bit more about this than me tell me if there's actually any point in washing it? if you're buying from a known decent vendor it's not gonna be cut at all & if it is a dodgy synth then would washing it do any good? i wouldn't think so but i know fuck all about this sort of thing
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No point washing it in acetone, as that's quite likely the final stage of the synthesis anyway going by info on the googles.....

did none of you grow crystals in school? I think that's what people are after...
 
Ceres said:
did none of you grow crystals in school? I think that's what people are after...
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Assuming the substance you have is definitely mephedrone, is there any point in disolving it in acetone and then letting it slowly recrystalise so that you get bigger crystals?

Does the size of the crystals make a difference once you've swallowed it? I'd have thought if any difference at all bigger crystals = slower absorption (less surface area) and so less of an initial rush but i'd imagine the effects to be almost completely negligable.

In general i know that larger crystals are indicative of a higher purity substance, but since you are doing it yourself with stuff you bought off the internet it's not actually going to reduce the impurities at all as you've just disolved something them let it recrystalise and are consuming the whole results.

Or am i missing something here?

I guess if you got it right it would at least look prettier (until you'd swallowed it).
 
nah it's just everyone is convinced that the stuff in crystal form is better than the powdered form.

On the one hand....
"Meth(amphetamine) in crystal form, rather than powder, also is more likely to be relatively pure because of the difficulty of growing crystals from impure chemicals"

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...dq=growing crystals hydrochloride salt&pg=PA8
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but on the other hand, this stuff is not being knocked up in clandestine labs with dodgy quality precursors and re-agents, if I put my pseudo-scientist hat on for a second I would guess a saturated or supersaturated solution of 4-mmc using just dihydrogen monoxide =D as the solvent would evaporate to grow some nice big crystals. Just how much 4-mmc will dissolve in x amount of water though?
 
fume said:
Shit am amazed how many of you guys are addicted to this mep,Would you say its more addicitve than coke,Silly question really if coke is shite,But good coke or mep?:)
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I don't think meph is addictive. Certainly not in the way that coke is (not speaking from personal experience -- I've never had a coke habit, but based on what others have said)

It's a bit weird, but I'm really against the idea of the substance itself being blamed for the problems I had. I abused the shit out of it and paid the consequences... but even the others here who fiend the stuff crazily seem not to develop it into a habit.

Possibly sh4p3sh1ft4 - but he deleted all his posts that sounded similar to my experiences. Taking it at work to avoid concentration lapses, etc.
 
I don't think its more addictive than cocaine myself, its just easily available and cheap in comparison as well as better quality than most coke/mdma atm.
 
angelsmoke said:
I don't think meph is addictive. Certainly not in the way that coke is...
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I'm inclined to say it's primarily psychologically addictive. Coke for me was like a physical hunger or something, it scared the crap out of me in that respect and I'm glad I didn't have much cash at the time I encountered it.

When I couldn't get hold of meph and I'd been binging on it a bit, I was really fucked off, but paradoxically in a way( because of next day delivery), the fact I couldn't just fone someone up and hook some up forced me to accept that I wasn't gonna be having any today, tomorrow, maybe for days, and I became a moody cunt, was thinking about it all the time, and feeling pretty down - but no physical symptoms of withdrawal atall.

and yeah, what whoremoaning said.

even the others here who fiend the stuff crazily seem not to develop it into a habit.
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So it seems, but some substitute for other substances 8) and some may be flexible with the truth heh.
 
Here's my personal ratings for the four most addictive stimulants talked about in this thread:

Euphoria
mephedrone > methylone > cocaine > MDPV (I'm not sure I can even say that cocaine and MDPV have any euphoric feelings when I take them.. I guess the IV rush from cocaine is euphoric for a few seconds.)

Expense
cocaine > methylone > mephedrone > MDPV

Compulsion to Redose
cocaine > MDPV > methylone > mephedrone


I have tried mephedrone a few times now, by itself and in combination with methylone, and haven't once wanted to redose. I get the urge to redose with methylone, though, even though meph is more euphoric.

I consider all four to be social stimulants, useful in the same exact situations usually. I don't think they really compare to MDMA much, because I would only do MDMA in particular settings usually; whereas those four can be taken and then you can go just about anywhere you'd go sober and it just enhances the situation for you.
 
Coolio said:
I'm inclined to say it's primarily psychologically addictive.
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I agree. I think with mephedrone it's the quick up and then quick down (with the possibility of effective redosing) that does it for some people.

Then you add the fact it's cheap, easily available, legal (some people think this garantees safety for some reason) and if you are stupid / hard headed enough you can keep redosing for whole weeks until you've pretty much fried your head at which point you come on bluelight moaning about how mephedrone has ruined your life / heart / cock;) and you've got a potential recipe for disaster.

I've got half a gram sitting in a draw somewhere, waiting for the right opportunity. It's been there over a week. If i took 250mg right now i'd definitely end up taking the other 250 at some point shortly afterwards but now that i know how the stuff works there is no risk of that happening.
 
does anyone else get muscle cramps after taking this stuff? normally after the comedown.
 
mangs said:
does anyone else get muscle cramps after taking this stuff? normally after the comedown.
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Poor circulation re: toxicity?

I'm sure I've noticed that after taking it I get more breathless (even when walking up stairs), slightly dizzy and that my veins have become more pronounced - in my arms especially.
 
Hmmm...

Right, I know alot of people on here think the crystally batches or powdery etc means nothing. And I agree that it doesnt mean much whether its crystally or not, but there is a big difference in the effects some produce for me. I'd say Im fairly well qualified to know, have had it off 8 vendors myself and have tried what i'd say is about 10 different batches now including ones friends have had.

The crystally batch I last ordered absolutely stank and was clumpy and wouldnt chop up, obviously no good.

But we got some stuff on saturday and it was a hell of alot stronger than the bit I already had! this stuff was like none of the mephedrone I've ever seen/had, It was opake/off white sort of brown, looked like MDMA crystals I've seen before. Had absolutely NO smell and was very crystally, but not like any of the crystally batches of meph I've had before, smaller crystals. We only had 2g of this stuff, got it off a mate as we had nothing.

I dropped 200mg when we got it, within 30mins could feel a smooth rush, only it felt cleaner and kept on getting stronger. After 1hour i realised this stuff was definately much stronger than what i was expecting. Eye wobbles and chatters seemed more intense and was very loved up. We all dropped another bit, about 150mgs this time. After that within 20mins i was completely monkied! Couldnt believe how strong it was and so very like MDMA.

It took about 3hours after that for it to wear off, I'd say the peak of the 2 doses lasted about twice as long as usual, about 1.5hrs after the second dose before the peak started to wear off for me, maybe longer. After the peak wore off a bit I started to wonder whether he had given us MDMA by mistake or something. Havent had the chance to ask him yet, hopefully its just really good meph, £10 a g for that would be worth the £40 easy!

Has anyone else come across this stuff? At the moment im thinking it had to be MDMA
 
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Even before I had read the last bit of that I was thinking MDMA, good work finding some so cheap!
 
fume said:
Shit am amazed how many of you guys are addicted to this mep,Would you say its more addicitve than coke,Silly question really if coke is shite,But good coke or mep?:)
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Yet to hear of any reports of meph addiction having occurred anywhere in the world let alone in lil ol' EADD, myself. Plenty of binges - some to quite ludicrous levels - though and it wouldn't be any huge shock if the odd person here and there may cross that line into what could be described as addiction at some point. It's a euphoric stimulant so if it manages to somehow avoid the addictive potential that the majoroty of such things tend to have it would be quite a surprise really... :\

Really don't find it especially fiendish at all personally. Certainly no cocaine in terms of addiction potential I don't think - just not enough of a dopamine kick to it. I find Methylone to be greatly more fiendish whilst also being greatly less pleasing. But each to their own and there is still a lot that needs to be studied properly to get a true picture.

Ceres said:
this stuff is not being knocked up in clandestine labs with dodgy quality precursors and re-agents
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Nah, it's knocked up on kitchen tables by anyone with internet access and cloven hooves I think. Said so on some documentary or I watched...

Boffhead said:
Poor circulation re: toxicity?

I'm sure I've noticed that after taking it I get more breathless (even when walking up stairs), slightly dizzy and that my veins have become more pronounced - in my arms especially.
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More likely to be plain ol' raised blood pressure from having taken a fairly powerful stimulant than a toxic effect, I'd say. I believe (and am happy to be corrected on that belief) that it also has a vasodilatory effect. Standard side-effect from taking pretty much any stimulant really and whether or not meph is any better/worse for it is still very much debatable.

mangs said:
does anyone else get muscle cramps after taking this stuff? normally after the comedown.
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Don't get a comedown from it at all so far really.Nothing I've noticed anyway. Aching muscles and cramps would also be classic side-effects of using any stimulant though and it isn't a symptom that would give me any real cause for concern in itself. It kinda goes with the territory when it comes to stims. Try a week on MDPV sometime if you want to know what post-stim aches, cramps and soreness are all about 8(8o;)
 
Ive tried it twice now and like it alot,But watching that documentory the other nigh those people having the shakes scares me8o

And imo i didnt like m1 at all tried it once prob due to me taking mirtazipine,So aren't you guys put off now by seeing those people's reaction to taking these beta ketones what ever you call them rc's i dont know lol??
 
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