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Mephedrone Megathread: Five heart attacks later...

captain codshit said:
Sorry but you are just trying to look on the bright side IMO. Read the post from "Squid0" a few pages back. He went to the doctors the next day, his blood tested for high levels of CKMB, which inicates damage to the heart.

People have complained of chest pains weeks after taking mephedrone, you don't get heartburn 2weeks later.. :\
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medically and statistically speaking chest pains aren't that strongly related to heart problems. My (very surly and argumentative) friend gets really pissed off when people come to him panicking about chest pains, he usually says something like "ffs it's more likely to be 100 other things". it depends a lot on other factors like family history
 
Chest pain may not be directly correlated to heart problems but it is a frequent side-effect of meph use for whatever reason. Pain is usually a sign that something is wrong. Whether it's the heart itself or not, meph is doing damage somewhere. The evidence (from the chemical structure, the known metabolites and now from blood tests) strongly suggests that damage is to the heart.
 
Ok, I don't have any scientific insight into this, but do people on this board believe the ROA can lessen or harden the harshness of the drug? I.E, bombing it is actually healthier for you than snorting it?

Is the way someone administers a drug decrease the toxicity of it? I am curious to know if this is possible.

I have only ever bombed this stuff and never experienced negative symptoms (knock on wood), which is why I ask this question.

Tomer
 
The ROI definatly effects how the drugs feel (the high being different)

As for the harm on the body it is thought that bombing this chemical feels less chemically somehow and feels like it is doing you less harm but we don't really know because it is such a new chemical.
 
There is evidence that the metabolites are cardiotoxic, I am pleased that people are taking the health concerns seriously, this is primarily a harm reduction resource. It's far preferable to the "woo how much meph you can take this is the greatest drug ever lets do 10 grams a daHNNNNNNNNGG" type attitude that was previously employed.
 
Evad said:
There is evidence that the metabolites are cardiotoxic, I am pleased that people are taking the health concerns seriously, this is primarily a harm reduction resource. It's far preferable to the "woo how much meph you can take this is the greatest drug ever lets do 10 grams a daHNNNNNNNNGG" type attitude that was previously employed.
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Sorry mate don't want to sound like a wang...

BUT

What you may want to post is

The metabolites appear to be cardiotoxic.

Because nobody (in a clinical sense) has the real information to hand. Well not in a long term study way.

I am all for ridiculing the tossers who dick size about the HUGE amounts that they consume. They may be pitied, but may not be missed.


The whole..... might be/could be/i think that/I've read that/it might be/the evidence shows that/the pain is/the toxicity/the anecdotal reports are...............................

Well as I said complete.....Hypothesis and nothing more.

You can't tell people more than.......abuse it and it will abuse you.

Simple concept though innit?
 
Robydoo24, Evad said that there IS evidence that the metabolites are cardiotoxic. I don't see how you can say this is hypothesis when the evidence exists to support the theory.

I agree that we can't just go arount saying these things to people if we don't have evidence. In that case all you can give is personal experiences, guesses or help out with any individual problem that an individual may have. That doesn't apply here though, in this case, because the evidence exists.
 
Sorry..

I wasn't trying to piss on any ones parade. I was merely using that as an example.

It may well be toxic. As many things are toxic to our bodies. Alcohol is a prime example. It is bad for us. Proven. And yet people can have a 75 year love affair with the stuff.

The only thing that we can't prove is the long term effect, and the relative toxicity on the body.

It is bad for us...FACT.

What we don't know is just how bad it actually is.

All the conjecture and Hypothesis in the world will not solve the fact that we just don't have any EVIDENCE to support our opinions on the subject.
 
So it may appear to be toxic, but until proven shall we just bang a load of mephedrone in a bliss of ignorence?

As a mephederone user I want to know everything about the stuff and what it can potentially do to me. Any theories will be welcomed and I'll make my own informed decision. Most users I speak to know nothing about the potential problems mephedrone can cause, and I know some heavy users.
 
Urbain said:
Just my inert and very uneducated opinion, but I cant see how Mephedrone could supress your immune system directly. Definately indirectly, by keeping you awake so long that your immune system doesnt have the rest time it needs to kick in and deal with any nasties that may be habouring.
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I don't think anyone was suggesting anything other than the latter.
 
So I've heard of blue/purple knees and extremeties from heavy meph usage but i've experienced something a bit different. I know the amount I was using and the frequency I did it at is just ridiculous, which is why i've already flushed the rest. I'm not sure exactly how much I did, but it was around 3 grams of a combination of mephedrone and methylone over the course of 3 consecutive nights.

I was in a sitting position at my computer as I was doing my last line and a short while after I noticed my knees were a bit cold. Upon looking at them they looked bright red and the area above and below was splotchy. I immediately went into crisis mode...I downed 2 multi-vitamins, 4 tylenol, and a glass of water, then hopped in a hot bath and phoned a friend (as I was freaking out). The redness went away after sitting in the water for a few minutes, but as soon as I stood up it came back. I checked my lips and elbows, etc. for any other discoloration and didnt have any. My heart rate seemed normal and I wasnt abnormally dizzy, light-headed, nauseous or anything.

Since then I've been mostly laying down with a pillow underneath my knees and lots of blankets on to keep them from getting cold, and massaging them off and on. I'm taking ginkgo biloba and tylenol regularly to keep my blood thin, and drinking lots of water and trying to keep my temperature up so I can hopefully expell/sweat out the chemicals quicker. They dont really hurt, just feel a bit tight when I bend them or walk around, and of course they get a bit pink from about 4 inches below the knee up through about 4 inches above w/ splotchiness. I haven't lost any feeling and only feel a bit of tingling every now and then. Besides that I just have the typical comedown feelings and super high anxiety from worrying constantly.

I feel like I'm doing all the right things to combat this problem and improve circulation. Does anybody have any other suggestions or have maybe experienced something similar? Should I be super concerned and go to the hospital (last resort option)?

I've heard of blue knees that go down over time, but this seems different.

Thanks.
 
^When I went purple there was a lot of white/red splotching. I wouldn't imagine your symptoms are need emergency attention, but it's not my call to make. BL is no substitute for a doctor. In any case, it's good that you've heeded your body's advice and flushed the stuff.
 
Yerg said:
^When I went purple there was a lot of white/red splotching. I wouldn't imagine your symptoms are need emergency attention, but it's not my call to make. BL is no substitute for a doctor. In any case, it's good that you've heeded your body's advice and flushed the stuff.
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Yeah im def never doing this stuff again, i've scared myself so much over the past few months of me trying it and it's really not worth it. Im curious, did your discoloration happen and then slowly fade? Or was it like what I'm experiencing where it happens when you stand up or bend your knees?
 
^I didn't notice it happen, I just looked at my upper arms and they were like an alien's. But it didn't seem to be affected by my position at all, just slowly faded.
 
uggh, see that's what im concerned about. I'm currently laying down and my knees/legs look fine, i feel a bit of tingling, but i could be paranoid about that considering this is all i've been focusing on. But the bending/standing up and then them becoming red worries me.
 
Look man, if you're really this worried you need to go and see a doctor. They probably won't have ever heard of the drug, and there will be long waits and disapproving attitudes, but if you are really concerned for your health it's the only thing to do.
 
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