Mephedrone Addiction

[Ismene]

@Ismene - I may be wrong but it seems to be accepted it is probably similar to amphetamines in term of damage. Whilst I was in a hospital I read a memo the doctors had been given outling what Mephedrone was and it's likely effects etc. Anything past that would just be speculation for now though.

But that "it's probably like amphetamine" was just what Les Iverson said to try and justify banning it. There wasn't any actual medical evidence to support his claim which was why Nutt and half the ACMD resigned beforehand.

 

[Pomplemous]

Well I have to admit it is/ was my drug of choice lately - we had a kilo of it when it was stil legal and slowly but surely did the lot - my chap had more discipline as me as I would take some and then some more and act straight and drink a beer to make it look drunken excited - I got away with it too - but then the bag ran out, so we started buying it through a mate - he was cutting it and bulking it out and then undercutting weigths etc - to the point that it's absolutely not worth it - from needing a TINY amount snorted to get you high for hours, to needing a whole bag of shite just to g et high - pointless - not through tolerance - from cutting it - what is it with? muscle powder stuff of some sort - take a line and your muscles pop out like popeye eating spinach -

so it's goodbye to meph. I mourn it's loss - it was brilliant. I have looked into where to get some but I'm not really sure I'd want to as I was using it EVERY DAY I could get away with it!

as for withdrawal - well for me, it did last a while: as a general rule for me: I found

finish the bag that night
day 1 - still high - and cheerful
day 2 - hit with a sledge hammer - must be in bed.
day 3 - think I am going to be ok now, but NO! hit with another sledgehammer - tomorow is going to be better
day 4: No it's not - get emotional and cry alot, just as much as outrage and anger that I dont feel good again yet - but this is a GOOD THING - because tears is a way your body flushes out the toxins, so once you've cried you are on the up
day 5: feeling good -

so tonight we are going to try some kind of bean - 'legal' high thing - I am much more wary of highs as I dont mind if I die, but I'd hate to be stricken with something that keeps me alive and helpless. a vegetable.

 

[Si Dread]

I enjoy my Meph but I can't have access to it! I have strong self-control, often have small amounts of this or that in the house & can easilly just leave it & only use occassionally. The exception is coke, but even then, I cant afford huge amounts of the crap Charlie we get here so, even with daily use (2 or 3 lines, practice drum or DJ) it runs out long before I get a habit. I buy a gram of coke like, once a year, it lasts a week or two then I forget about it!

NOT MEPH! I got a bit piss cheap, enjoyed my first hit despite being stricken by the most awful anxiety-ridden come-down & found myself unable to go a week without having a little. Soon I was having a little 3 times a week & I decided to ban myself. Got a little lock-box & sent the key home with my gf, who only brings it once in awhile. I restrict myself to a couple hours of fun. Since I first had Meph in March, I've personally done at least 3.5 grams. Now, I know compared to the gram-a-day guys on here this is peanuts, but for me, not being able to control my own use of this substance was quite a shock. I've had a couple of good E's from about 1998 waiting for a tropical beach-holiday-rave-up hidden away & they are STILL there!

Anyway, I doubt this helps anyone with a serious problem, but from someone with serious will-power, Meph got hold of me quickly & in a unique manor & I'm not at all surprised that people have had quite powerful addictions to it. As soon as I had my first line, I supported the ban... in fact, I was stunned that a substance with such a powerful, pleasurable effect had remained outside the law for so long! But ultimately the illegality of proper MDMA, LSD, shrooms, weed, coke & speed are at the root of ALL our problems... The government needs to move on from this war-on-drugs shite & wise up! It AIN'T working & those circumnavigating the law are doing so not out of some misplaced philanthropy for & solidarity with us entactogen fans but simply to make money. Neither they nor the government themselves have any interest in our well-being, only in their own.

Good luck to everyone on here with a Meph problem! Fight the addiction & fuck the system!

Peace!

 

[jamez2010]

Hey everyone! im new to blue light but thought this to be a good topic to start on...........
Basically in oct 2009 i split with my girlfriend of 8 years. Ive always been a drug user since about the age of 13, but after the split i hit it hard. Started on meth an before i knew it was dealing the stuff. It got to the point where i was using about 1-2 oz a week an staying up for over 140hours at a time! I still use occasionally but vowed to quit everyfin for a while on my 25th (2 weeks ago) which is hard when myself an all my friends organise free partys,club nights an such! The reason ive decided to do this is because about 4months ago i woke after a heavy binge an cleared my nose as u do,an bang i coughed up the inside of my nose :s Now this wasnt down to just meth but years of snorting! Anyways i thought id post incase it was of any use to any one cheers

 

[Mailmonkey]

an bang i coughed up the inside of my nose :s Now this wasnt down to just meth but years of snorting! Anyways i thought id post incase it was of any use to any one cheers

Yeah, i'll have it, i don't have any passages of any use on me left side, lost em about 6 years ago after a few years of coke abuse...

I can't sniff anything now through me left nostril, it just kind of goes up, then falls down me throat near enough, and I can feel it in me ears the next day, all very odd, can almost breathe through me left ear....

Get used to it though, that's why we got two i reckon, take a bit more care with your remaining one....

 

[jamez2010]

haha yeh i get what u mean!! but by `coughed my nose up` i mean i only have one nostril apart from the bit on the outside that you can see! thank fuck

 

[sundayraver]

^ no thanks, this is the mephedrone addiction thread.

http://crushsyndrome.com/2010/08/mephedrone-toxic/ - interesting read on mephedrones toxicity

And this from wiki re possible heart valve damage

Elevated prevalence of cardiac fibrosis and related valvopathies was found to be associated with use of a number of unrelated drugs following long-term statistical analysis once the drugs had been on the market for some time. The cause of this was unknown at the time, but eventually it was realised that all the implicated drugs acted as agonists at 5-HT2B receptors in the heart in addition to their intended sites of action elsewhere in the body.[1][2] The precise mechanisms involved remain elusive however, as while the cardiotoxicity shows some dose-response relationship,[3] it does not always develop, and consistent daily use over an extended period tends to be most strongly predictive of development of valvopathy.[4][5][6] The drugs most classically associated with the condition are weight loss drugs such as fenfluramine and chlorphentermine, and anti-parkinsonian drugs such as pergolide and cabergoline, which are prescribed to be taken several times a day, often for months or years at a time. Drugs which act as 5-HT2B agonists but are used only intermittently are capable of producing the same kind of heart damage, but tend to be less likely to do so. Also while the heart valve changes can result in permanent damage and life-threatening heart problems if use of the causative drug is continued, longitudinal studies of former patients suggest that the damage will heal over time to some extent at least.[7][8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_fibrosis

 

[Treacle]

It’s surely cardiotoxic in the same way that MDMA is. Chronic users in a few years will be diagnoised with the same cardiovascular maladies suffered by the heavy MDMA users of years past: cardiac fibrosis of the pulmonary valve.

I've never heard of anyone with heart problems from using MDMA heavily. I'm fucked if this is true!

 

[Zanfiel]

i still dont believe theres a real addiction to meph, i believe its all in your head cause i can almost guarantee I've done more than anyone else on this forum and will continue using because theres no addiction unless you yourself believe it. Its all a mental thing, now if your mind is not strong enough then yes maybe you are addicted per say but think for a second. Were you "addicted" because you yourself thought it or did someone else put it in your mind.

 

[MrM]

i still dont believe theres a real addiction to meph, i believe its all in your head cause i can almost guarantee I've done more than anyone else on this forum and will continue using because theres no addiction unless you yourself believe it.

The only way this could possibly be true would be if you had been taking mephedrone all day every day pretty much from when it first appeared on the market in the UK and were still taking it, judging by some of the stories i've read from other people on these forums regarding the amounts and durations of their use of the drug.

If that is true then there is no way anyone is going to believe you when you tell them you are not addicted or that you have a strong mind.

 

[scrooloose]

It is purely a mental 'addiction',you just want to keep chasing that euphoric rush.
When you run out,you just feel down and empty. You do not start shaking,sweating and shitting your pants. [well maybe sweating a little]. I only know this through personal experience.

 

[sundayraver]

i still dont believe theres a real addiction to meph, i believe its all in your head cause i can almost guarantee I've done more than anyone else on this forum and will continue using because theres no addiction unless you yourself believe it. Its all a mental thing, now if your mind is not strong enough then yes maybe you are addicted per say but think for a second. Were you "addicted" because you yourself thought it or did someone else put it in your mind.

If you have used more than anyone on this forum than you are by definition addicted to mephedrone my friend

 

[scrooloose]

fuck it,i just deleted a post because i feel i fuck things up for sensible people.

 

[greenberryhaze]

i still dont believe theres a real addiction to meph, i believe its all in your head cause i can almost guarantee I've done more than anyone else on this forum and will continue using because theres no addiction unless you yourself believe it. Its all a mental thing, now if your mind is not strong enough then yes maybe you are addicted per say but think for a second. Were you "addicted" because you yourself thought it or did someone else put it in your mind.

This is so incredibly misguided. People way overemphasize the distinction between physical and psychological addiction, it is rarely appropriate or useful. Actually, if you want to be a nit about it, there is no distinction. All human behaviors are completely physiological, and psychological pain can be just as bad as physical, or worse.

Sure, it's possible to exercise a decent amount of control over our own psychology, just as we can take steps to improve our physical health. So would you put blame on a person who is too weak to pull their car out of a ditch because they haven't worked out enough? No! Even if you're the world's biggest douche, you would at most blame them for getting into the ditch in the first place.

 

[theotherside]

Mephedrone addiction is real...both in the physical sense and mental. I have been using it a lot lately....it started out like a once every other weekend "party" type thing but as I'm typing now I feel physical w/d-like symptoms.....haven't used since wed/thrus and my nose tingles, my mind starts thinking about it, and then I start running up bills on my card As with any addiction it is never enough.

 

[deckmunki]

i still dont believe theres a real addiction to meph, i believe its all in your head cause i can almost guarantee I've done more than anyone else on this forum and will continue using because theres no addiction unless you yourself believe it. Its all a mental thing, now if your mind is not strong enough then yes maybe you are addicted per say but think for a second. Were you "addicted" because you yourself thought it or did someone else put it in your mind.

Total dick-sizing bullshit. Read up on dopaminergic stimulants' addictive properties, and concomitant depression following the withdrawal from extended periods of stimulant abuse, for example cocaine, amphetamine or methamphetamine abuse.

I'm sorry for giving you both barrels there, so to speak, but nothing you said there has any possible benefit for, well, anyone, apart maybe from you to let everyone know how good you are and how buggered they all are if they're not "mentally strong enough".

Cheers, Zanfiel... 8)

 

[Zanfiel]

well ive used over 80 grams in a week before and i can still go without it for weeks at a time
However I have learned that days without sleep or eat is VERY VERY bad, ive had horrible hallucinations where ive ran from someone trying to kill me. As long as you continue your daily routine while still having fun with mephedrone you should be fine

 

[theotherside]

^^80 grams in a week..................................

 

[Zanfiel]

yea its quite easy when its free and ur just starting, i dont mean alone though. I just dont know who did what lol

 

[theotherside]

I was wondering............that is alot to move through in a week! My g/f and I combined with my brother and his wife can move through some g's but not by myself!