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Mephedrone Addiction

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right folks. :)

i have permission from angelsmoke and mugabe to create a new thread about this. as far as i'm aware, they're the first two people on BL to admit to having an addiction problem with meph, and i mean something a bit stronger than fiending for a night or two.

this thread is for the discussion of ADDICTION to mephedrone.

there are varying opinions regarding 'psychological addiction', and whether it really exists or not. some of you will maybe feel the need to point out how stupid it is to binge on a research chemical. this thread is not about either of those things. so let's keep it constructive, informative, and supportive, and pool our knowledge on the effects of overconsumption and how to combat it.

mugabe said:
its wednesday today, i somehow managed to sleep through all of yesterday after being fucked on monday and sunday and saturday too.
Got a lot of stuff sorted out today though and have treated myself to a nice line of the bad stuff that I seem to be getting addicted to
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Yeah would have to say theres quite a few people on here who seem to be unable to stop the meph even though they constantly talk about the bad effects its had/having on them. I would definately say i was becoming addicted to it before i stopped 2months back. Its just not the sort of thing thats wise to have more than a couple of g's laying around :\
 
Fair play to you's to be honest. I know several people who are addicted to meph, as in they do it daily in some cases, others almost daily. None of them will admitt they have a problem, they even get angry when people mention it to them. And are very dishonest about how much they actually use!

You and mugabe are the first I've heard actually admitt it. How did you get into using meph? Did you see it as an MDMA replacement? I definately did, I stopped using it after a horrible binge then after a few weeks of giving up meph, my beloved MDMA became available to me again. Goodbye meph.. :p I really would love to know how many people saw meph as an MDMA substitute when they started doing it?

Thing is it is a good buzz you get, I love the rush, the empathy, appreciation for music, the fact that redosing works and the minimal comedown. It's all the horrible side effects that put me off, mainly the fiending for me it was worse than coke. The amounts you could get through are scary if you don't stop.. 2days later and the bag is done. The buzz off it only really lasts an hour - 90mins, if you make a weekend of it it becomes easy to get through mountains of the stuff!

It sounds very stupid but if you think your use has become a problem its usually easy (for me at least) to give something up, if I have another drug to take when I would be in the situations at weekends and such where I would be on meph or whatever I was taking. I'd say stop odering it would be wise. Or only order enough so you have 500mg - 1g each time for each of you. Good luck :)
 
I don't think much can be done until you (both) make decisions in regards to your use of meph, and work out where to go from there. Obviously, there is almost no one who is an expert on mephedrone addiction or anything, but yeah, there's still a ton of options and people who are interested and will try and help (on BL and elsewhere) :)

Recognising when you have a problem, and then taking steps from there is probably one of the most important things though, and you both pretty aware when things are going to excess. It's kinda up to youse whether anything should be "done" about that though, quite aside from the legal stuff, it's not like anyone can tell you the right way in regards to mcat. Personally, I think you could both challenge yourself a bit more in the day to day; I know when i binge on things it's generally compensating for other things, and filling gaps. Mm maybe that makes me sound a bit judgemental, sorry if so. Best of luck <3

Bit stoned from hash and jwh-018 i smoked a bit of earlier, first time trying it. Not found it racy or anything, has left me pretty chilled. Nice high, although I can't have smoked much.
 
captain codshit said:
You and mugabe are the first I've heard actually admitt it. How did you get into using meph? Did you see it as an MDMA replacement? I definately did, I stopped using it after a horrible binge then after a few weeks of giving up meph, my beloved MDMA became available to me again. Goodbye meph.. I really would love to know how many people saw meph as an MDMA substitute when they started doing it?
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It sort of crept up on me, started of doing it at the weekends, ended up doing a few too many sessions that would just sneak into the next day without me realising and then it would be the classic "its too late to go to sleep now, no point in 3 hours sleep, so why not stay up and do another line" This resulted in a few 80 hour binges.
I had seen and read about people being addicted before and never believed it could be possible to get addicted to meph. But it happened to me, a bomb here, a line there and I find myself doing about 2g a day :\ Quite worrying how it has happened.
There was a 125 hour session without sleep last week too, which was followed by a 36 hour sleep and then a 70 hour session and then a 20 hour sleep. Its not healthy and not something I am proud of, but its just so so tempting to take more and more when its around and I find it very hard to stop myself once started. Meph is like pringles, once I pop I just can't stop.
The best and worst thing about meph is its ability to still give decent effects and a nice high after days of abuse. :\
 
Don't order any more meph mugabe, that's seriously dangerous usage there. You should both quit together and make a pact not to order any ever again. Get some different drugs if you have to, its only going to end badly if you carry on like this :\
 
fucking hell you two. :\

what happens when you stop taking it? are there any other symptoms beyond what you'd expect from a speed comedown?

you need to get some benzos ASAP and knock that right on the fucking head.
 
Well at least you have admitted you have a problem /cliché.
Have you guys run out? If not throw it away and stop ordering more. I don't suppose it will be easy to stop such heavy usage but the only other option is self destruction.
 
wibble said:
If not throw it away and stop ordering more.
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Its very easy to say this, but when you have at your disposal grams of a potent stimulant and empathogen at the same price as one beer would cost, its extremely easy to see how one falls into the trap. One gram can be as little as a pound if brought in bulk.

There is not a single drug on the market that I know thats cheaper (except maybe coffee)
 
Thanks for the replies guys, and sorry for hijacking the fucked thread. It's hardly a happy topic!

We did indeed buy in bulk, that's how we're managing to get through so damn much, cos it's always there, in large amounts. And god knows we're completely fucking useless at keep each other off it. When one of us is fiending and looking for some kinda support, the other isn't in the right frame of mind to say anything other than "fuck it, let's do it".

So yeah, we need to get rid of it. We've made some pretty valiant efforts to control our use, and it's just gotten more and more out of control.

felix said:
what happens when you stop taking it? are there any other symptoms beyond what you'd expect from a speed comedown?
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Speed comedowns are worse in some ways.
The thing about meph crashes is that they last SO LONG. The last one I saw all the way through and out the other side was 11 days.
The usual irritability, anxiety, misery, brain zaps, vomitting that you might expect from a comedown... plus your body complaining bitterly about not having been fed/rested and generally treated like shit.

What kills me though is the way my brain just stops working. I can't concentrate on anything... I can't understand anything. Believe it or not I'm still holding down a job through this - basically, grasping abstract concepts is impossible, and unfortunately my job involves a few few of them. I'm completely and utterly useless. I stare at the screen trying to make some sense of the nonsense in front of my. I end up sobbing in the toilets in sheer frustration at the fact that I no longer understand my job.

So I'll be taking some time when we stop. Which isn't much better, since my brain just goes "mephmephmeph" and I'm incapable of thinking through the consequences and all the reasons not to do it. So if it's there it's nommed. Yes, we're getting rid.

I guess the problem before has been that we've always clung to the idea of "we can just do it at the weekends". Think I have to get to the point of "I honestly don't care if I never see meph again".
Getting there. I can barely see anymore ffs (combo of tunnel vision and visual snow). What am I doing? I honestly disgust myself...
 
some posts moved from the 'fucked' thread, because this is important.

please keep your condemnation to yourselves. let's keep the discussion to the effects of overindulgence and what to do about it. thanks. :)
 
A good thread and needed I think.

First of all let me say to Mugabe and Angelsmoke, fair play to the both of you for admiting this. As corney as this might sound it is the first step to getting over it. That is not meant to be patronising either.

I had a coke problem once and got over it by literally just stopping it and putting up with the fiending and WD's

I understand that this is hard as it was for me.

Is your addiction physical or mental? What I mean is, if you don't take some do you physically need it to feel 'human' or can you just not stop thinking about it?
 
I recieved physical withdrawal symptoms in that I would get "electric zaps" up my muscles, behind my eyes, headaches, for 1-3 days when having not used mephedrone. I think that combining coming off an SSRI (which can produce brain zaps in itself if stopped cold turkey) while using mephedrone (also can cause zaps if abused) is not the best of ideas. They are truly horrible, and often happen just as you are literally about to loose consciousness and fall asleep in the hypnagogic stage. This implies that they are due to some alteration in serotonin receptors of some kind, which are thought to regulate sleep patterns.

Swim got the Zaps really badly after abusing MDMA too. Other than this the side effects remained laregly psychological and had all the markings as a psychological addiction.
 
My condensed opinion is that if there is any addiction potential then it is all in your mind.

I, and the people I know that take meph, do not have any physical WD or cravings when off the drug. I will admit that the desire to re-dose is extremely strong after a few lines, but when sober, I do not think about or want it.

Also, if I have things that need to be done (housework, job, shopping, etc.) then it doesn't stop me doing any of those things. The only thing it has stopped me doing that I should have done is getting some sleep!
 
Karaboudjan said:
Firstly, throw it all away. Who cares how much it cost you, it's damaging your bodies and that'll cost you 150x as much in the long run. Staying up for 125 hours in a row is seriously fucking unhealthy, it's not even a nice stimulant to do it on.

I've gone through periods of taking too much speed and taking too much ketamine and it's because I was a fuck-up in the first place. I was depressed and unhappy, I didn't have enough stimulation in my life to do something worthwhile so I just retreated into drugs.

mugabe, you have to go back to therapy. I know you hate therapy because they dicked you over one time but you've got to else you'll be like this forever/until you die/kill yourself.

Do something to get out of the rut you two are stuck in. Before I went travelling I was a K head, I had to get away from the cycle of just going to work, coming home and doing drugs. I'm not suggesting run away to Hawaii again or ressurecting your Christopher McCandless Into The Wild shit again, but do something to break the cycle.

This shit applies to other people too

/covers self so it's not just a mugabe and angelsmoke support thread
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Good post Kara. We all know you're not 100% cunt. :)

Angel/Mugabe:- Have you binned the powder yet?
 
7zark7 said:
My condensed opinion is that if there is any addiction potential then it is all in your mind.
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Far too flippant. 'All in your mind'? Well, duh, psychological addiction, by definition, usually is. It's also far far harder to tackle than routine physical addiction.

Mugabe and Angel....you need a different 'model' for your lives, a new perspective on how you see things. It's no good blaming 'da mephedrone' or 'my addictive personality'. Both of these approaches pass the buck away from personal responsibility. Start taking control of your own actions and see where that leads.

Suffering and enjoyment are two sides of the same coin. You 'take' suffering from pain, you 'take' enjoyment from pleasure. Maximizing either one merely opens the door for the other one. What you need to aim for instead is the middle ground. That's called contentment.

Not easy of course. It requires giving up the notion that the world was created for your benefit, that all importance centres around you and your perceived happiness. It means giving up on the incredible highs that help maintain that tempting but misguided notion that your happiness is the centre of the world. It means giving up a bit of the old ego.

It means practicing non-attachment. Recognizing pleasure and pain for what they are and becoming aware that you have a choice in how you deal with them.

It means moderation. Not just in drugs. In your whole view to life. It's not easy. But contentment is your goal.

And you aren't content now.

Good luck. You'll get there.
 
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