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[Mega] Tryptophan and Dark Chocolate , 'e-diet'

avcpl said:
as for the vagus nerve and different routes of administration--do you have sources on that yet, or is this still just a theory. I read your other thread that was sent to Advanced discussion and they did not agree with you.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/620165-mdma-effects-based-on-ROA-moved-from-ED/page2
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I remember them disagreeing with me, but then again none of those mods like me and a few were going way out of their way to try and prove me wrong. They never could come up with a good counter-argument against my theory though... basically the thread deteriorated into an argument on whether snorting even is any different from oral... and anyone here who has done it knows that it is.


As for sources, I don't have anything that can directly prove what I'm saying.. no one has done any study of that kind before. You can only find coincidental evidence and try to make it fit a pattern with this kind of theory, which is why I never took it too far.


From Wiki
Activation of the vagus nerve typically leads to a reduction in heart rate, blood pressure, or both
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^ and it uses norepinephrine and adrenaline to either raise or lower BP... a quick look on Wiki will confirm that.

Sadly, I can't find a study DIRECTLY linking MDMA to the Vagus, but if you do some searching you'll see it's been widely regarded as true that MDMA has a direct affect on the Vagus... MDMA has an affect on the 5-HT3 receptor found inside the Vagus Nerve after all..


Let's also not forget that the Vagus nerve is VERY important to digestion, as is Serotonin.
http://www.breatheology.com/services/articles/health/the-nervous-system-and-the-vagus-nerve





So basically, MDMA activates the Vagus nerve. From this activation, neurochemicals like Norepinephrine or adrenaline are released to raise or lower blood pressure to maintain homeostasis. That release of neurochemicals is going to have a direct effect on how MDMA feels... obviously if your brain is releasing a bunch of adrenaline during a roll it's going to feel much more "speedy", like meth, which causes a direct release of adrenaline.



dark chocolate had zero effect on our rolls.
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I'm sorry to hear that. But you're probably just overlooking it.

The differences I've noticed in my rolls is, well, minimal. But there is something to the whole chocolate thing, for sure. I am one who has "lost the magic" as you may know... but if I eat a good amount of chocolate the week before I can still get a great roll that won't leave me dissapointed :D


Does it really CHANGE the roll? Nah. It does feel slightly different, I'll attribute that to different levels of neurochemicals.. but I mean the effects are all still the same



Overall just eating chocolate isn't going to make you roll SO much harder. But chocolate has slight MAOI effects, it's an anti-oxidant, it's good for your heart.. It's obvious that it has SOME effect on MDMA.



I think if you would get natural chocolate nibs it would be MUCH more effective. I believe natural chocolate contains serotonin among other neuro-chemicals...
 
Well for me it helps put me on the level above everyone else.

Borderline being thrown out of a rave lol
To me thats funny as fuck . ahahahahahahaha good times..
 
Honestly ive been told many a times
"award for person with biggest md grin would go to you"
"your so fucked your eyes are bouncing around like the lottery machine"
"When i see ya i put my hands out because i thought id won the jackpot i thought i was playing a slot machine the way your eyes were going"

lol

half the time i barely even feel like im there more like im flying around hahah
 
never underestimate the power of the placebo effect.

I'm not saying there isn't anything to it for you, but you have to accept that placebo effect is a possibility until a controlled double-blind study is conducted...

anecdotal reports only carry so much weight, especially when there are just as many that do not confirm your thesis...
 
But i actually see differences with my own eyes! and confirmed by other friends too.

Massive pupil dilation, near enough all black no blue
a stupid ridiculous locked on smile, like your jaw is made of fucking steel lol
 
avcpl said:
never underestimate the power of the placebo effect
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Chocolate is psychoactive in it's own right. There are probably hundreds of different chemicals in chocolate, MANY of which are active by themselves. Together they may even potentiate each other, like how cannabis which has hundreds of CBDs is much more effective than THC by itself.




Active chemicals in chocolate are:
theobromine (about 1% of total weight) and caffeine (<.1%). Other chemicals include serotonin, histamine, salsolinol, methyltetrahydroisoquinoline, phenethylamine, telemethylhistamine, spermidine, p-tyramine,3-methyloxytyramine, tryptamine, and spermine.
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Dark chocolate has completely changed my shroom trips too... they have become so intense I can compare the peak of the experiences to DMT trip reports.





Overall the effect it is going to have on your roll will probably be brushed aside as placebo if your a cynic, it's not really going to change your roll at all. Just help it really. Like I said, I have lost the magic, and when I eat dark chocolate I can still get to a great level.





It seems that chocolate also naturally causes a release of oxytocin (a chemical released during orgasms)... that is going to have a HUGE effect on the "magic" of MDMA




If chocolate is active in it's own right, I think that the chances of this simply being placebo are quite low.
 
Good one!



However, I am not here to persuade you to either side, only to add my findings to the discussion in hopes of coming to a conclusive answer.


So, if you would like to disagree with a particular idea presented by myself or others, do that. A personal attack on my credibility isn't going to get us anywhere though, so let's just skip them next time, eh?




If you disagree with anything I have said, please feel free to ask for an explanation. If your just going to be condescending however, you can do your own damn research. ;)
 
I agree with the Dark Chocolate, I only rolled 2 times but I can compare them because the dosages were similar (125mgvs what I believe was 150mg but felt like a 170-180mg roll). When it hit the peak it was just incredible feeling omfg, I was gone, hugging metal poles and stuff until I got myself to together.

I'm a true believer Dark Chocolate and Vicks potentates the roll.
 
Levmetamfetamine (L-methamphetamine)

The main active ingredient in Vicks VapoInhaler is levmetamfetamine, also known as L-methamphetamine (50mg). Levmetamfetamine is a nasal decongestant that works by reducing the size of the blood vessels in the nose that are causing congestion, or a stuffy nose. Because these vessels are now smaller, they will not block nasal passages as much and will make breathing easier. Side effects of this ingredient include temporary burning, stinging, sneezing and increased nasal discharge.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/67515-vicks-inhaler-ingredients/#ixzz23tOcLdEm


Stick with the Olbas oil then maybe lol just dont rub that shit in your eye, i did it burns!!
 
The Canadian brand of Vicks inhalers doesn't have L-meth in it, it has menthol and other stuff, so maybe it's just a placebo effect from the good fresh flavored air you sniff? I'm not to sure, I know I got floored later in my roll for some time, now was that due to me peaking higher from the Dark Chocolate (Which I recall I ingested 5-6 hours before my bomb) I have no idea.

From a second thought, I think the Vicks just makes you feel better and helps you maintain the roll. I would say Dark Chocolate definitly potentates it though.

Why do I believe this?

First time I used vicks too and it just made me feel great sniffing it, it didn't potentate my roll though.
Second time I ate Dark Chocolate (Just wanted to see from this thread if it was true), and it totally made me roll harder with a stronger comeup and even a floored feeling at my highest peak.
 
are you sure your not just rolling hard becuase your first of all waiting one month between rolls, eating full amounts of food 3 days in advance , AND getting as much sun as possible, I think just doing that , with any diet , your going to fucking roll balls for lack of a better term hahah still tho I eat so much dark chocolate im down with this, does any of your food have magnesium for jaw clench you should look into that , seems to be my only issue nowadays..
 
But then again, Chocolate is full of stimulants and sugar so I doubt it is the holy grail.
 
I have no doubts that Sam's e diet helps with my rolls. last year i had gotten to the point of feeling almost nothing good from a strong dose of mdma, but this year that all changed. sure 1 month breaks help, but for instance, last night i rolled so hard off mda and bk mdma that twice during the night i tranced out and grabbed my friends ass instead of my girlfriends somehow. The good feelings last night were easily comparable to the first few times i rolled, and with around 40 rolls under my belt the strength of my rolls on the e diet and with a 1 month break are quite remarkable in my opinion.
 
Everything on this e-diet just seems like a normal everyday balanced diet!

I have to wonder, what the hell are you people normally eating???? lol
 
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