[Mega]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion

[Jibult]

I'm not too knowledgeable on the synthetic cannabinoids, but I've been under the impression that all the different ones offer one or two aspects of a regular cannabis high but none of them alone are like smoking bud.

I'm also kind of curious as to what kinds of combinations would produce a high similar to, say, an indica-dominant strain.

 

[Volcano]

However, I believe that JWH-x is now being tested for by employers in urinalysis.

Source? I know of a company who has created a test for it but I don't think it's part of the standard drug testing panel.

 

[Verybuffed]

Source? I know of a company who has created a test for it but I don't think it's part of the standard drug testing panel.

There was a thread about the new urine tests for synthetics around a month ago but it was moved from CD due to the no drug testing rules.

 

[Chainer]

Source? I know of a company who has created a test for it but I don't think it's part of the standard drug testing panel.

It is. I'll dig up the source. As far as I know, only Redwood Labs does this.

edit: here it is. It still has to be specifically ordered as the addition of a synthetic screening will cost a bit more. So far, 018 and 073 are the only two that currently have reliable tests out there.

That's as far as the drug testing talk will go.

 

[purple_cloud]

We have a thread here that will answer your question, which is where I'm going to merge this into: [Mega]Synthetic Cannabinoid Disucssion

 

[Chainer]

jwh variations dont hit all the same receptors as actual THC, so im saying what combo produces similar effects to thc

um... what?.... most JWH binds to both CB1 and CB2 (or at least has a high affinity towards CB2), what you said is essentially 100% wrong.

IMO - closest medium I have found to most commerical hybrid strains out there (50/50 sativa/indica) is JWH-018/ JWH 250 and WIN 55 in a 1:2:1 ratio.

 

[Volcano]

Which cannabinoids are still 50-state legal?

My local headshop gave me a gram of something called Cloud 10. Obviously I can't ask what's in Cloud 10, but which cannabinoids are still 50-state legal?

 

[Chainer]

Which cannabinoids are still 50-state legal?

My local headshop gave me a gram of something called Cloud 10. Obviously I can't ask what's in Cloud 10, but which cannabinoids are still 50-state legal?

Some forms of synthetic cannabis (HU-210) are currently scheduled in the USA under federal law while others are not (JWH-073).[54][55][56] The Drug Enforcement Agency considers it to be a "drug of concern".[57] Several states have passed acts making it illegal under state law however, including Kansas in March 2010,[58] Georgia and Alabama in May 2010,[59][60] Tennessee and Missouri in July 2010,[61][62] Louisiana in August 2010, and Mississippi in September 2010. An emergency order was passed in Arkansas in July 2010, banning the sale of synthetic cannabis.[63] According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, several other states are also considering legislation, including Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Indiana, and Ohio.[62] Illinois passed a law on July 27, 2010 banning all synthetic cannabinoids that goes into effect January 1, 2011.[64]

In short: All of them in the coming months.

Stock up.

Current State-by-State banned JWH compounds.

 

[Volcano]

Well I'm asking which are still 50 state legal

 

[Vader]

^Presumably, any that are not mentioned in the article chainer linked to.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

Which cannabinoids are still 50-state legal?

My local headshop gave me a gram of something called Cloud 10. Obviously I can't ask what's in Cloud 10, but which cannabinoids are still 50-state legal?

AM-221 is one Ive seen pop recently and its suppose to be ok everywhere.
The next day one of the biggest Herbal Incense Sites on the net has a big banner saying that they are proud to announce they are once again shipping to all 50 states. Id like to find more info on it, the only thing I can get out of the vendor is that its 2 to 3 times stronger than 018

 

[pr0d1gy]

Im curious as to if anyone has had success with smaller doses of JWH's

My first try I underestimated it and took entirely too much, caused me a panic attack. I am considering trying again at a much lower dose with a weaker chemical than jwh-018. Just wondering if it sounds like I would be wasting my time or if it maybe enjoyable at a lower dose.

I found the comedown after the panic passed to be alot like smoking some good bud

 

[iom]

Im curious as to if anyone has had success with smaller doses of JWH's

Yes. The dose response curve is a bit tight though, so be careful. I think the potential for panic exists with the other JWH's, but 018 is harder to dose. You could try a less potent JWH. Good luck and YMMV.

 

[pr0d1gy]

Thanks for the response, yes im going to probably try -019 next and dose very gradually

 

[iom]

Thanks for the response, yes im going to probably try -019 next and dose very gradually

I would add (as I don't think it is mentioned frequently enough here) that tolerance to cannabinoids can vary over a scale of 10-50X or more. A cannavirgin might find 1 mg of JWH-018 to be too much; compare to chainer3k's stated dosages and see what I mean.

 

[Chainer]

^Presumably, any that are not mentioned in the article chainer linked to.

yeah, I mean I linked you a state-by-state law enforcement regarding JWH specifically 8)

Im curious as to if anyone has had success with smaller doses of JWH's

I generally handle drugs very well, but I was timid starting out on JWH, it was my first RC and I bought an MG scale to dose properly. I started with 3mg and got pretty high, but that only lasted a few days. I was a very, very heavy cannabis smoker prior to using JWH and there is a cross tolerance.

If you have issues with panic, I suggest 250 instead of 018.

 

[FloridaHighs]

How To Distinguish Between JWH-018 and JWH-073

Ok so after my buddy was put on parole he started to smoke this legal weed. And since my mom drug tests me every once in a blue moon, I decided to try it. Boy was it fucking disgusting (he wasn't using a filter or anything) but then after a week I just made a bong and it rips nice, you need something to filter out the organic material that shouldn't be in your lungs.

Getting to the point... for the last month or two we've been getting two or three brands of the shit, Mr.Nice Guy, Mr.Quickie, and Peace of Mind. Here is how it went.

1. Mr. Nice Guy - Fucking Obliterated at 1/4g, to say the least.
2. Mr. Quickie - High off of 1/8g
3. Peace of Mind - Love this shit, smoke 1/2g to 3 people and we are toasted.

These are sold at different costs, mind you this isn't a street price.
<NO PRICES - Chainer>

See the difference^^^ The JWH-018 is sold at a higher price because it takes less to get high. The JWH-073 is sold for<NO PRICES - Chainer> for 3g because it is only a partial agonist to the CB1 and CB2 receptors, therefore takes more to get high.

The problem with this is switching from one to another, I went one day Peace of Mind and the next day Mr. Nice Guy and let me tell you, I felt like I was on shrooms and cocaine (prob because of the Vyvanse), needless to say I was puking my guts out within the next two hours (or maybe it was the 1/2 gallon of Gatorade).

What do you guys think?

 

[Jesusgreen]

-073 isn't that much less potent than 018 really, also you have to remember there are many other synthetic Cannabinoids, 015, 019, 081, 200, 210, 250 from the JWH series alone, and I'm probably missing a few there.

You should buy JWH itself rather than blends, you know what you're getting that way and you get a LOT more for your money, blends are ridiculously overpriced for the amount of JWH in each blend.

In my opinion buying blends is just as bad as buying "Legal party pills", you have no idea of what you're getting, the actual potency, if it's safe, and of course you pay through the roof since they're marketed on the fact that most of the people smoking them don't even know what JWH is, or that it's much cheaper.

 

[Chainer]

merged into synth discussion

 

[Chainer]

Flordia, these are research chemicals and with that said - nobody can tell you for sure why you are experiencing negative symptoms, it seems some do and some do not, and that's just the way it is. Don't know why.

Anyway, I never buy those blends. For the price of one package of those blends you could get a few grams of PURE PRODUCT instead. Most vendors price all JWH series the same or very close per gram. I wouldn't ever spend a penny on those piece of shit blends that overcharge you 10 times over - make your own, that way you know what the fuck it is you are smoking *at least*.

fyi - those blends have only confirmed use of some series of JWH, however there are hundreds of used synthetic cannaboids and nobody knows for certain which they are, or if they are even in the JWH family at all.