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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

ComfortablyNumb95 said:
^^ well, I wouldn't really call them "soft drugs". I'm pretty sure you can trip tits from smoking too much of a noid (definitely don't want to find out though)
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definitely,

and with the right one even at very low doses, for example JWH-203 is highly hallucinogenic and transonic/trippy really messes with the visual cortex.

207 has similar properties almost microdot like trails, there really is no "safe" does of either of those IMHO.
 
Bluesbreaker said:
Yeah, although to me synth noids are really "crackabis", they aren't crack either... It's still a soft drug. Yeah I know some here don't like the soft-hard drug thingy, but some of these noids are real painkillers created by big pharma and abandonned for x reason. It's a real saver for a lot of people when the real thing isn't available or an option. Of course the real cannabis must be always prefered, as it can be tweaked to a strain you and especially your body fully agree with.

In the waiting for a legalization/decriminalisation, these noids have their place in the cannabis aficionado world.
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shame really, the ones created by big pharm are really hard to get BAY series etc, due to patents but have the most pain killing potential.
 
JackARoe said:
jeremysdemo, I just want to thank you and Toz and a few other people on the intelligent discussion on synthetic cannabinoids. All too often the only info I can get from these boards are people that blow through a gram a day, shoot out the stomach or liver and call the compounds evil. And I had always said that is like someone taking 200 ibuprofen tablets a day and claiming they shot out their stomach. These substances are active as low as 1 mg.

I am not a big user of synthetics. I could not go through 500mgs in 5 years. Also I will use cannabis first. But once in a while a 1 mg toke of one (jwh-01 eight) works like a charm. A great substitute. Then I find cannabis stronger the next time. Longer lasting. So I am one that thinks these synthetics are deserving of study and have much more to them than ruining people's lives. I am sure there are probably many people not posting about their responsible use.

Anyway although I am not a user of most, I appreciate the information. That's what is needed for these synthetics. Not just the horror stories of irresponsibility.
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I feel much the same way, it's a shame a few bad apples always spoil the bunch.

in this case setting back a lot of legitimate research on something beneficial to mankind decades....
 
Yeah, the synthetics have just been demonised; every search item that isn't an ad for blends is a horror story- spice, K2 whatever they're calling it is pretty much seen as poison. I've been smoking noids both pure and in blends for a good 2-3 months now, and have had nothing like any of the effects people have reported, especially the news pieces about complete kidney failure and psychotic breakdowns. I wish they'd just fully research it with the funding available to them,rather than issuing blanket bans based on scare stories. IMO there's no excuse for wilful ignorance whatsoever. IMO what's needed is regulation and accountability for this "industry". Right now, it's just a countdown to the next blanket ban, then the next generation of noids, and so on.
 
Yea everywhere on the net I read about people suffering all these problems from 'noids and I am wondering: what the hell are they doing and more importantly why do they keep doing it? Lol it seems like everyone overdoses on the 'noids and gets the fear and then writes 'noids suck they have lots of side effects: Well, duh! If you dose equeal to 100 cannabis joints in a single hit no shit you get side effects, jackass :D

If people used other drugs like they use 'noids they would be dropping like flies.

I've been smoking pure powder 'noids since 2008 and I have never had a seizure or any worrying side effects from 'noids alone except for a bad cough for a month once when overdoing it. All my blood levels are normal too, had them checked quite recently.
 
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^^ agree completely.
I've been smoking them on and off for more than a year, never had any problem except for the occasional time where you smoke too much and your hr shoots to 140 and you become a bit paranoid and stuff.. but that's easily avoidable with blends.

most of the danger IMHO comes from smoking the raw powder, a friend of mine took 2 hits from a noid-laced ciggie and had a kind of OOBE where he thought he was dead and lived episodes from his life and stuff like that.. now that's some scary shit
 
Oral AB-FUBINACA at ~2 mg produced a powerful and very smooth cannabinoid high for 5 hours, with much music appreciation and some memory problems and slight confusion. This is the best cannabinoid I've encountered since the combination of JWH-018/250. Much prefer it orally to smoked. Fucking potent though.
 
I really miss 018, that beast was the best high dose noid probably besides AB-FUBINACA which i'm scrambling to grab some of right now because the faggot ass US government wants to ban thanks to some idiots fucking up with.....you guessed it, some shitty ass blend. I wish people would recognize the god damn difference already, its just like you guys say the only complaint with pure noids is "Hoe my gods I smoked like 55mgs after reading I should never do more than 5 and I freaked the fuck out....fuck this shit! Synth noids suck!". I mean its surely good for a laugh at the damn idiocy of some humans but at the same time its still annoying, oh well me for me and you guys I suppose!;) AB-FUBINACA was such a gentle giant too, one of the best in those terms, even when I over did it, which I have with my decreased tolerance, it was so easy going compared to the rape fest 018 could provide. 018 was something special though mang, when you went high on that one it would warp into almost a dissociative esque high that was like a wild roller coaster ride, add in some psychedelics/dissociatives and it was absolutely stellar, taken me really far out there. Its really to bad I was in overdrive when I had that one, it would last me ages now a days. I also find it funny how a few of us used to be like that, just slamming high dose after high dose, but then we found the beauty of taking it slow. TNW is spot on when he says its much better to simply smoke a couple lower doses throughout the day. My last gram of AB-FUBINACA lasted me twenty days and I was purposefully going fucking hard because I hadn't had any noids in nearly four months, either way I was highly stoned nearly 24/7 for those twenty days. I really need to orally dose some, that is, if I can grab some before its banned, forgot the URL of my US supplier and the other one is to far away to make it in time, depressing because if I would have for a second thought it was going to be banned, would have rode that train much harder. I licked some off the scoop I was using to grab doses but since I was already high and getting higher it was a bit difficult to notice if it actually did anything, same with the one time I dissolved it PG. I need to properly put some in veg oil or butter, wait to see if it effects me. Oral synth noids have always been hit or miss with me. Though making some white dragon(;))with everclear/018 was quite the dandy time.

I think I started either in late 07 or early 08 as well, and someone knows i've pounded the fuck out of them as well, not a single health problem. Probably smoked at least 250 grams over that time period if not more. I love too how some people claim that smoking synth noids destroys your actual MJ tolerance as well, fuckin' right fools! I smoked a single bong bowl of some alright MJ a couple days after pounding that gram of AB and I got ridiculously blitzed.

Also saw a newer AB the other day that looked interesting, had a cyclohexylmethyl substitution on it amongst other things, want to try it but I don't think its hit most vendors just yet, only witnessed it at larger suppliers.
 
^018 was the shit! Nothing has touched it ever since unfortunately. I also miss CP 47,4*** something that had a high that lasted the whole day. I like AB-Fubinaca but the whole generation of AB-noids so far except that one has been largely unimpressing to me :/ I've actually thought of making my own JWH-018 since it doesn't really seem that hard but the process seems so time consuming I'm never going to get around to it.

Now with 5F-Akb48 and 5F-PB22 gone too I am at a bit of a loss at what I should smoke. I have tried aquiring samples of fubinaca for a larger purchase and 3/4 of those samples were contaminated. The 4:th was impotent. I guess the synthesis is tricky with this one. I don't want to buy 100g or something and then find my stash to be contaminated with impurities. If so I'd rather just wait untill I've found an easier to synth / better 'noid.

Anyone got any suggestions for me? I'd like a full agonist type high with a strong body load and very prominent sedating effects.
 
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Haha yeah I've thought about making some 018 myself many times. I remember when one of the larger noid vendors from the LHG era PM'd me with an offer to pay for my plane ticket plus all the supplies if I would head on down and synth 018 for him. Fucking crazy times and I'm a bit sad I turned it down as the pay and nearly unlimited supply of 018 would've been something but at that time it probably would've been the end of me, haha! :(

I know right?!? I've only had two proper synths of AB-FUBNACA before and I forgot the one URL that mattered in terms of cost/ease of access! I honestly don't think you'll find what your looking for as it seemed unique in that super potent sedation with awesome effects pretty reminiscent of actual MJ. It's to bad everyone except a couple vendors fuck the synth, as most people sell fifty gram quantities for magnitudes cheaper than 018 and such. I actually tried to hook up my main supplier with one of the shitty synth companies because their source charged a lot more but I figured if they could supply their synth information to the lesser company it would be a win win in terms of them being able to supply cheaper noids while the other company would get better products but they don't really work with other companies, probably for the best but it would've surely been nice.

I remember ADBICA probably being the most interesting and nice besides FUBINACA, but I was pretty fucked at the time....

Oh forgot to say earlier, the BAY are hard to find but seem like the best but most of the newer AB's cone from patents as well...
 
Help?!?! said:
I know right?!? I've only had two proper synths of AB-FUBNACA before and I forgot the one URL that mattered in terms of cost/ease of access! I honestly don't think you'll find what your looking for as it seemed unique in that super potent sedation with awesome effects pretty reminiscent of actual MJ. It's to bad everyone except a couple vendors fuck the synth, as most people sell fifty gram quantities for magnitudes cheaper than 018 and such. I actually tried to hook up my main supplier with one of the shitty synth companies because their source charged a lot more but I figured if they could supply their synth information to the lesser company it would be a win win in terms of them being able to supply cheaper noids while the other company would get better products but they don't really work with other companies, probably for the best but it would've surely been nice.

I remember ADBICA probably being the most interesting and nice besides FUBINACA, but I was pretty fucked at the time....

Oh forgot to say earlier, the BAY are hard to find but seem like the best but most of the newer AB's cone from patents as well...
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Goddamnit, well I have one more sample arriving and unless they sent me fake NMR / GCMS papers it should be pure, I'll try it tomorrow. I really enjoyed that heavy sedating/physical effects, it also lacked side effects such as cramps that other cannabinoids tend to have when combined with dissociatives, and I love to combine my cannabinoids with dissociatives.

Going to give ADBICA a try when I can find it.

I wonder if this synthesis problem is restricted to fubinaca or if it covers most AB-**** cannabinoids. I've only really enjoyed fubinaca so far, the rest seemed either too weak or had effects that didn't suit me. It's the thing with them being too weak that bothers me, it feels like the chemists are not quite getting it right.
 
Toz said:
Going to give ADBICA a try when I can find it.
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I wouldn't.

the 3-dimethy substitute for ADB-Pinaca replaces with the ​3-​methyl branched-chain alkane of AB-PINACA has been associated with many hospital reports and deaths, only one of which was attributed to toxicity.

you got quite a few other ones to chose from yet, like AB chimichonga for example, and other less potent ones 5F has been showing promise in making more viable.
 
Toz said:
It was a lie, I looked it up and there was no ab-chimichonga to my disappointment. Wouldn't have surprised me if there were though lol.
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don't be silly, I'm not going to post the real name of it!

I would like for it to be around a bit longer.....there are dirtbags from the DEA scouring forums as we speak...

that being said, I thought the name was close enough anyone could figure it out, c'mon Toz you were so good at it before...

I will pm you if ya like with a few off the radar ones should be good for a year or two.
 
Haha that was the one I mentioned in my earlier post, have you tried it JD? If so did you like it?

I really doubt the DEA is using this as a first hand banning source as theirs only like five of us ever posting in this thread and for the majority of the time like most of last year this thread was/is more dead than well pretty much everything(who knows though but either way encoding talk and confusing people won't slow them down IMO). Not to mention, you get fifty million results from googling things like cannabinoids or like terms, much easier than reading through these threads least IMO. Oh well it isn't like getting stoned and paranoia don't ho hand in hand ... ;)

Toz aren't synth noids and dissociatives the best?!? Pure insanity! Toss in a psychedelic or two and you've reached the pinnacle! ;)
 
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