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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

Anyone get these effect when binging? I used to, I aimed from them sometimes:
a ‘rising’ feeling in the stomach (like the feeling you get on a fairground ride where you 'leave your tummy at the top')
deja vu (feeling like you've 'been here before') or jamais vu (where familiar things seem new)
getting an unusual smell or taste
a sudden intense feeling of fear or joy.
Frontal lobe simple focal seizures may include:

a strange feeling like a ‘wave’ going through the head
stiffness or twitching in part of the body (such as an arm or hand).
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The person’s consciousness is affected and they may be confused. They might make strange or repetitive movements that have no purpose (called ‘automatisms’). They may wander around, or behave strangely, and they may not be aware of what they are doing.
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Shame it's the fucking description for complex focal seizures.

Must have had this a good 10-20 times all when smoking stupid/insane amounts, 2201 + 2233 were the worst for it.

I'm not epileptic, first time I experienced this was on JWH-018 years back.


Now, am I at increased risk of seizures cause of these previous ones?


Obviously I'm knocking these synthy evils on the head straight away now.

Seems quite a few people have died during their first seizure on it, my odds must be terrible by now.
 
sounds similar to a guy I know who vaps powder,

some people like going to another world I suppose,

me, I'm happy with earth, only slightly adjusted for maximum pleasure!

all that vaping you're at more risk of stroke than anything, but kidney failure and other acute breakdowns of organs also high on the board.
 
foolsgold said:
cheers as normal mate think the best bet is to chuck it in a draw for the next few days then as i know what will happen il blackout and end up back in the hospital wasting their time and mine
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if you can't make a blend or some other way to use it responsibly at lower doses it's best to leave it alone, IMHO.

look at it as an addiction or compulsion, like a person given 30 Xanax for the month and does 15 of them the first day.
 
^QFT

It's "crackabis". But the solution is to legalize weed, not try to enforce every new substance that only tries to mimick the real drug.
 
Bluesbreaker said:
^QFT

It's "crackabis". But the solution is to legalize weed, not try to enforce every new substance that only tries to mimick the real drug.
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I agree with the analogy.

tho I think there is room in the scientific community for benefits of both to be researched.

for example JWH-133 was found to reverse Alzheimer's and increase short term memory ability.

btw, I don't consider MJ a drug, in fact it's labeling as such is what the gov. used to put it into illegal market when really it should be a dietary supplement in the same isle as echinacea and other natural cannabinoid containing supplements.
 
imo (anecdotal advice, maybe JD can back it up with some science).... make sure to drink plenty of water if you're a habitual 'noid user. not that i felt too unhealthy before, but i've been feeling a lot better since i upped my water intake to a gallon a day.
 
I can report the flouro tail made for a better view of the Subdwarf B star's potential, was visible at 6:00pm.

it's still not comparable to other stars in it's class, but good for a during the day hike. :)
 
thenightwatch said:
imo (anecdotal advice, maybe JD can back it up with some science).... make sure to drink plenty of water if you're a habitual 'noid user. not that i felt too unhealthy before, but i've been feeling a lot better since i upped my water intake to a gallon a day.
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yes, it's all about metabolization with noids, they have known about the reaction to fatty acids with MJ for example for decades, brownies anyone?
 
Toz said:
'noids really do make you thirsty. I drink at least 1.5 gallons daily.
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that is your metabolism reacting....never good to ignore basic instincts to survive.

definitely would not suggest some of these to people living in a desert or low on water (tho some were used early on in government experiments for soldiers (the ones that lower body temperature) to see if it would assist in combating heat.

I've had ones that literally drop the temp by 5 degrees which could be chemical induced pneumonia!

took me hours to get it back up, like being tossed in a frozen river...could be useful in climates like africa, but here in the states it's just animal cruelty.
 
I have been looking through some archaic chemical inventions, and I found one called Menabitan from the 70s, not sure what the legal status is or if any random RC companies out there have the ability to even make it. But I thought I would share it.

Also,
A-40174
Dimethylhepylpyran
Yangonin
 
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ShaggyFin said:
I have been looking through some archaic chemical inventions, and I found one called Menabitan from the 70s, not sure what the legal status is or if any random RC companies out there have the ability to even make it. But I thought I would share it.
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yes the hydrochloride cannabinoids have all but disappeared from the landscape for years, O-2545 was one we discussed a ways back here.

Organix Inc hold the patent on some of them, makes it hard for manufactures to legally make them.

due to Tetrahydrol's close molecular structure to THC derivatives were never considered for the "legal" recreational market.

some of them were abandoned for good reasons A-40174 with the 5-dimethyl could theoretically metabolize into dimethyl sulfate...weakening the blood brain barrier which can let all sorts of unwanted contaminants into the brain.
it's sister A-41988 contained 4-fluorophenyl which can metabolize into flouro-toxicity of the hypothalamus...etc.
 
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jeremysdemo said:
yes the hydrochloride cannabinoids have all but disappeared from the landscape for years, O-2545 was one we discussed a ways back here.

Organix Inc hold the patent on some of them, makes it hard for manufactures to legally make them.

due to Tetrahydrol's close molecular structure to THC derivatives were never considered for the "legal" recreational market.
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That makes sense. I know 2 of the other ones could be more useful. Yagonin is a natural Kavalactone that hits the CB receptors, and the one that started with a D is an alteration on the THC molecule that could be used in recreational/medical states.

And, I am not positive, but I think other Kavalactones could be isomerized into Yagonin with some kind of acid. Or maybe it can be bonded to THC in a legal way.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangonin
 
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ShaggyFin said:
That makes sense. I know 2 of the other ones could be more useful. Yagonin is a natural Kavalactone that hits the CB receptors, and the one that started with a D is an alteration on the THC molecule that could be used in recreational/medical states.
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I've never seen Yagonin separate from kava, interesting, i've used kava in the past but did not know it was that well documented...

seems to act on the GABA(A) and GABA(B) receptors which some cannabinoids do as well.
 
yep Dimethylhepylpyran was used by the military to.

I think it would fall under the analog act tho in the States, (similar structure to already Scheduled 1 substance)

now if MJ was legal that landscape would change....
 
jeremysdemo said:
yep Dimethylhepylpyran was used by the military to.

I think it would fall under the analog act tho in the States, (similar structure to already Scheduled 1 substance)

now if MJ was legal that landscape would change....
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What did the military use it for?
I'm in Colorado, so I am just looking towards the future. If we discuss it here, and it turns out to be a miracle tumor exterminator, that would be awesome. Unlikely, but it can only happen if we open that up.
 
I will be coming back in this thread in a month or so with a whole slew of Cannabinoids to list. I have been doing TONS of research.

Anyone that is in an illegal state, you can get OVER THE COUNTER CANNABINOIDS at sushi restaurants. Order some "Sea Urchin Roe" which is the orange insides with the eggs, basically "Caviar". It contains "Anandamide" which is a natural Cannabinoid in the brain that THC mimicks. It usually doesn't get you high because your body only releases it in amounts to make you hungry, or happy, then it "Reuptakes" them. But if you introduce EXTRA Cannabinoids via Sea Urchin Roe, or Cannabinoid Reuptake Inhibitors like AM404, you can "get high on your own supply".

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