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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

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alright, i still think that vendors that are selling EAM-2201 are taking a bigger risk than when they sell other chemicals.... but i went ahead and ordered a gram of EAM-2201 for myself. :)

i'm going to do a homemade blend with it. i'm not sure yet, though, if i'm going to leave it by itself or mix it with some of this leftover MN-18 and AB-001 that i have.

any thoughts? has anyone made a blend with EAM-2201? if so, do you have a recommendation for how concentrated the blend should be? i was thinking 100mg/g (i like to make one hit stuff, so i don't have to smoke as much herb material)
 
Soccertrendy, it's in everyone's best interest to stay away from pre-packaged herbal incense. If you haven't figured it out yet (which I think you have), your dealer either lied to you or was misinformed; it is not marijuana.

For those that enjoy the psychoactive effects of herbal incense, I would recommend trying to find yourself pure synth's from a reputable, discreet source. You won't find that source here, however.
 
Try a nice strong indica. Bubba kush gives me no anxiety. And the indica cheeba chews same thing. I can get blasted as fuck off indica and not get paranoid. But 3 hits of a hybrid will get me all up in my head and super introverted.
 
Just a heads up; I found 5-F-AKB48 to be just as compulsive if not moreso than AM2201, gram gone in 3 days with no prior tolerance. 8o I was a bit shocked too.

Btw, I'm not claiming it to be weak, on par with am2201 in strength, less panic, more 10 second fugue states of sitting in my computer chair loking back and forth rapidly forgetting how reality worked or even what let alone who I was. Rather active at about 1-2mg, at first.
 
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hx_ said:
Just a heads up; I found 5-F-AKB48 to be just as compulsive if not moreso than AM2201, gram gone in 3 days with no prior tolerance. 8o I was a bit shocked too.

Btw, I'm not claiming it to be weak, on par with am2201 in strength, less panic, more 10 second fugue states of sitting in my computer chair loking back and forth rapidly forgetting how reality worked or even what let alone who I was. Rather active at about 1-2mg, at first.
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How does 5fak48 compare to am 2201? Can you give me some details? I would appreciate it :)
 
lolinoz said:
Hi can u describe the high for us?
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sorry not at the minute went through 7g of stims last week with it so going to have to wait till i get my next batch later this week . but its much nicer than most of the noids that were floating around plus iv not had the normal withdrawls i.e. the runs and aches and pains i get from smoking lots of noids . but give us a week and il let you know :)
 
2 questions for you smokers:

1st: since i'm a non-smoker i dont intent to make a herbal blend but use volumetric dosing in ethanol on a vaporizer. that's also because i have zero tolerance to any noid and am pretty sensitive to those nowadays sativa hybrids (they give me incredible paranoia and uneasyness) and looking more for the "old days chilled stoner high".. cannot describe that better, but i rather get hungry and slow than manic and panicy.
since ethanol evaps quickly it would dropwise add 200-400 ug onto the evap dish, wait for the ethanol to vanish and start the vaporizer. maybe not the most popular method of administration, but anyone knows if this works? (i could only speculate it does, powder is freebase, 95% ethanol, volumetric dosed in a dropper flask)

2nd: which of the following compounds is rather sativa-paranoic and which is rather chilled like indica (i know, very subjective, but it could help to avoid unpleasant times): am-2201, mam-2201, ur-144, 5f-akb-48, jhw-122, sts-135
 
JWH-122 is imo the most indica like, even massive doses leave me very chill.

i would say to definitely avoid AM-2201 if you're prone to anxiety with cannabinoids
 
Ok so first time I've posted here. Are any of 5F-PB22 , AKB-48f or STS-135 active orally? What is a reccomended oral dose for a beginner (has smoked quite a lot of cannabis and the JWH series but not for a few years) and which one causes the least anxiety?
 
thinking of knocking the stims on the head for a bit this week and wondering what you think of 5F AKB-48K iv tried 5f-pb22 and found that my fave so far out of all the noids iv tried and wondered what this one is like would just buy it but im sort of skint its get one or the other this week so any help would be nice :)
 
which ban are you referring to? both MAM-2201 and EAM-2201 are not specifically scheduled AFAIK, though they're both likely covered by the federal synthetic cannabinoid ban from last summer.

also, EAM-2201 hit the market after MAM-2201
 
thenightwatch said:
which ban are you referring to? both MAM-2201 and EAM-2201 are not specifically scheduled AFAIK, though they're both likely covered by the federal synthetic cannabinoid ban from last summer.

also, EAM-2201 hit the market after MAM-2201
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UK ban, they listed many specific analogues, therefore anything not explicitly listed is 100% legal here; no vague analogue act causing vendors to hide behind email addresses/invites etc like you get over there. Just professional seeming big web shops that show up in the first few google results!

Unfortunately with both ban's it's just left us with really obscure and random chemical structures and substitutions that the ACMD don't expect people to take, make or to be psychoactive.
 
thenightwatch said:
which ban are you referring to? both MAM-2201 and EAM-2201 are not specifically scheduled AFAIK, though they're both likely covered by the federal synthetic cannabinoid ban from last summer.

also, EAM-2201 hit the market after MAM-2201
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yer sorry i was meaning the uk ban on noids i think it is one of the ones that got caught up in it . not been to bad so far iv found the that f5-pb22 is better than the ones before the ban


lol at the stupid Brit that guessed the same :)
 
right i am after reviews of sts-135 and 2ne1 as my vendor is looking into supplying these possibly , normally when they ask iv got a personal view but not tried these to yet . so if you can help me out it will be greatly appreciated people :) p.s. i do not think iv broken any rules asking for this
 
Something unexpected happened a few days ago.

With 'herbal incense' legality being up in the air since a recent crazy media explosion on it here in Canada a few of the reputable head shops stopped selling it. The only ones now that you can just go in and still buy it are being risky and are seedy places that you wouldn't want to buy a blend from anyway ( from experience - taste like shit, and get you tooooo fucked up and just feels dirty).

There was one brand that was the best though and only the reputable head shops sold - I know most people say blends are shit, and I agree (from experience now) for the most part - but this one company that made this certain brand was consistent, tasted good and I really enjoyed it.


- to just get to the point already -

After talking with random people about synths etc... and just being in the right places at the right times. I actually got the opportunity to meet one of the guys that oversee's production of my FAV. brand! It was a great meeting. I was able to get a few pack for free and best of all I got to find out what was ACTUALLY in them!

One type really surprised me (one of my favorites) - it had (damiana as the plant base) and JWH-018 I thought jwh-018 was illegal everywhere - but I looked into later in the day and learned that it isn't scheduled in Canada. Canada has this retarded generic, synthetic marijuana is illegal law, but it's too vague to really make anything illegal so that's why its all up in the air right now in a grey area.

The herbal hash insence that I tried once that i did not care for (didn't like the feeling all that much) I learned was ur-144 and plant resins (to make the texture)

And the strongest (my other fav. - but it was VERY strong - as in - one hit and put the pipe down) was AM-2201 and damiana as the plant.

There were a few other types we spoke about that I smoke but I can't remember the name of the chems. they were some of the longer chem names spoke about on here (it wasn't like I was taking notes during the meeting !!! lol), no weird shit was in them though and the plant base was damaina in all of them.

We spoke about this other head shop big around here (that EVERYONE knows is dirty - they sell anything all about $$). I bought some blends from this place before and they were BAAADDDD - VERY strong, and they just tasted and smelled like shit when burning. I learned that some of the shit they were selling wasn't just sprayed with synth canniboids they used other RC"s too that weren't syth. canniboids.. Some of their shit has made people fail piss tests. They sell brands that use low quality chems and don't diluted them enough so you end up with a WAY to strong (def gonna make someone sick) mix. I actually still have about 2g of this 3g gram pack I bought from them just over a week ago, it smells ...ok... in the container, but it smells like SHIT (and tastes like shit) when burning. It's REALLY fucking strong and had some odd trippy properties I've never felt in a blend, felt a lot like am2201 blend from the brand I like - but it was trippier (ex: I was in the bathroom putting on make up with msic on in the other room quite loud, it was sounding really good and I was tripping that the band was ACTUALLY in my other room singing lyrics that were made just for me.....) Yeah I know that sounds fucked up!! lol. Now to clarify, I KNEW that the band wasn't ACTUALLY in my other room and I was just tripping -it was intense.

The guy I was having this meeting with when I told about my experience with this other shit said that it was probably mixed with other shit mixed ... and I think I agree - literally 2 hits and you MUST STOP (not the same way like with am2201 - I think I'm just gonna throw the rest away..... (even though I DO like the high from it)..

Anyway - that's all I wanted to share - it was cool actually meeting someone overseeing a blend production and getting to talk about their method and what's in it. Had a long talk about what will happen in the future with the law too. Very insightful.
 
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