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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

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i rolled a j of spice once or twice and it was awful....like blacking out and coming to mid-convulsion...
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Yeah I bet! That is insane that you'd just roll up a j ! Most of the blends that I smoke - I put in a pipe - take ONE hit and put it down and wait and see! Now that I have a tolenence 8( I know that I can take 2 or 3 tokes depending on the blend - some are so fucking strong if I smoked a j of it I don't even want to know!!! I Accidently over did a couple times by taking to many tokes when I first started smoking "spice' or whatever "herbal incense" and I had some REALLY bad times - freaky unpleasantness. Only once did I smoke it in a j a friend rolled (and it was brand I smoke ALL the time in a pipe) and it was a weaker blend and it was still borderline uncomfortable (still had a good time overall though).

On a different topic - I noticed reading though this mega thread that a lot of people smoke theirs pure synthetics on foil to vaporize - just some advice for your health - Why don't you just pick up and glass oil pipe to vape in instead (you know - the meth pipes, oil pipes, what ever you want to call them) much healthier than foil, and then you just always have it.
 
http://www.mymcmurray.com/charges-pending-after-synthetic-marijuana-is-seized-at-a-local-store/
Charges are pending after the Special Enforcement Team seized synthetic marijuana at a store in the municpality.
The unit turned up 25-hundred packages of it, and $10,000cash as part of an on-going trafficking investigation.
The product is called Spirit 4:20 Premium Herbal Incense and is often sold in smoke shops.
It’s marketed as smoke-able herbal incense, but the package does warn that its not for human consumption.
Synthetic marijuana is sold as a legal alternative to marijuana, but are often sprayed with synthetic cannabinoids, which is a banned substance.
Sgt. Kirk Peyton says these products are extremely dangerous and can contain hazardous chemicals.
Health Canada reported that when consumed, symptoms can range from acute psychosis to seizures.
March 13th, 2013
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Yesterday I went to the local head shop I usually get my blends from (yes I know - blends are sooo bad - blah blah blah ) and they had stopped selling them! Because of the above article (and the one below) - it also happened in Medicine hat - but my understanding was it was just with that particular brand and if you go to there website (you can't buy it anymore so I'm NOT advertising) they actually have a youtube video how you should smoke their product because it will help you quit marijuana - it pretty much says it's a weed alternative. IT made me laught so hard - FUcking Retarded - although I did try smoking it once wasn't even that great, lol.

I knew them really good so sold me some that they had in storage just because they knew me but it was a cash sale, they it's a grey area but risky now until the dust settles.

Health Canada realeased a statement at the end of Feb. that says: http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall-alert-rappel-avis/hc-sc/2013/23621a-eng.php

Issue
Health Canada is warning consumers about the risks associated with “synthetic marihuana” products sold in Canada, which are typically products containing plant material that has been sprayed or coated with synthetic cannabinoids. These products are often marketed as “smokeable herbal incense”, “exotic herbal incense”, “legal highs” or as alternatives to marihuana, and are believed to be smoked by consumers for their cannabis-like effects, despite the fact that they are often labelled as “not for human consumption”.

These products may be available for sale at some convenience stores, specialty tobacco stores and head shops. Health Canada does not recommend consuming any of these products as they are rarely labelled with an accurate ingredient list and consuming them may lead to adverse health effects. Effects that have been reported following the use of these products include restlessness, agitation, dizziness, anxiety/panic attacks, memory loss, acute psychosis, seizures, rapid or irregular heartbeat, high blood pressure, shortness of breath, chest pain, changes in blood sugar and electrolyte levels, and nausea/vomiting.

Products containing ingredients that are similar synthetic preparations of cannabis are regulated under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA). All activities associated with them, (e.g., production, distribution, import, export, etc.) are illegal in Canada. Law enforcement is authorized to seize these products at points of entry and/or remove them from retail outlets.

Products affected
Examples of products that should be avoided include: “IZMS”, “Herbal Highs”, “Spice”, “K2”, “Yucatan Fire”, “Earth Impact”, “London Underground”.

Consumers should note that this is not a definitive list as new “synthetic marihuana” products appear on the market on a regular basis.

What you should do
Do not purchase or consume products labelled as “synthetic marihuana”, “smokeable herbal incense” or “legal high”. Consuming these products may lead to adverse health effects and it is illegal if they contain ingredients that are similar synthetic preparations of cannabis, which are regulated under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA).

Consumers who have these products in their possession should contact their legal counsel for advice on how to properly dispose of them.

Who is affected
Any person that possesses, produces, sells, imports and/or exports a “synthetic marihuana” product.
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I don't know what the outcome will be of all this but I know it spooked a few headshops carrying blends and now they don't.
 
Consumers who have these products in their possession should contact their legal counsel for advice on how to properly dispose of them.
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lol

idk if they do things differently in canada, but in the states stores are told to flush their stuff down the toilet

even with bath salts they said that. idk what effect dumping kilograms and kilograms of MDPV into the public water supply produces, but thats what stores were told to do in the states.

scary stuff.
 
Lurker here. I know people don't recommend blends since theres no way of telling what chemicals are in them, but I ordered a blend called Mr.Kosh potpourri - I'm pretty impressed.

Even after being cautious (took one small pinch and smoked in a bowll), I still got high as fuck and panicky as well. I had an idea to put the blend in my Magic Flight Launch Box and it works great! A lot less of a panic feeling, and 2 trenches could last me the entire day if I wanted it to. Very cost effective way to use these blends, the MFLB trench isnt very big so you are using a small amount of herb. Also, it was a blueberry flavored blend so it tasted great in the mflb

If you let the vapor build up and take a 'big' vapor hit you can almost feel it immediately as you blow out. The duration of effects wasn't very long, 45 minutes or so, but I had done some research on synthetic noids before buying the blend so I wasn't surprised by that. There is a strong urge to redose so I don't ever buy a large amount of it, usually a 1.5g baggy can last a decent while if I use it all on the mflb
 
@88dood88 : I always was smoking blends too and some of them would get me high as fuck too! Tolerence builds up fast though - and next thing you know you're gonna need more to get high.

That's what I've learned from my experience. As for addiction potental...... well I said a while a go I was quitting - and LOOK here I am still smoking my blends :-( Now they have been taken off the shelves so I can't buy more (I'm sure somewhere is still selling it under the counter if I really tried to find it) but NOW I have to stop the blends - no choice if I don't have them!!!
 
ledlight said:
@88dood88 : I always was smoking blends too and some of them would get me high as fuck too! Tolerence builds up fast though - and next thing you know you're gonna need more to get high.

That's what I've learned from my experience. As for addiction potental...... well I said a while a go I was quitting - and LOOK here I am still smoking my blends :-( Now they have been taken off the shelves so I can't buy more (I'm sure somewhere is still selling it under the counter if I really tried to find it) but NOW I have to stop the blends - no choice if I don't have them!!!
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Yeah thats why I usually just buy a 1.5g baggy, so I don't even build a tolerance by the time I'm through with it
 
I hope Legalization goes federal so you guys can get off that K2 and get back to the herb like we are up in washington :D spice is too gross
 
Are there any synthetics that cause less paranoia and psychosis?

I hear synthetics like JWH-018 are worse (I'm guessing its because are full CB1 and CB2 agonists, as opposed to partial agonists like THC, and also because cannabis contains CBD which is a non competitive CB antagonist) than cannabis for paranoia and psychosis. Are there any synthetics that cause less paranoia than regular cannabis?
 
bapae said:
I had the same problem for a while after having a bad experiance on a synthetic, the first time i smoked wed after that i had the same effects come back and last longer then they did, The good news though is just keep the smoking on weed light for a while and you will get back to a normal weed high. For me i only had the same feeling of the synth for about a month just remind yourself before smoking that its real weed not a synth and that it wont kill you or cause an OD. try to keep the thought of Synths out of your head while smoking weed.
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Thank you. Gives me a bit of hope if I don't yet have to let go of weed :) I wouldn't want to go trought the effects many times since I tend to get flashbacks after those "trips" for some time but I guess it's worth it in the end.
 
HI

I would like to know if is possible to dissolve a cannabinoid in oil. I have been smoking some, but I don’t wanna smoke anymore, and I really don’t know about other ways to use it. Thanks in advance
 
Incencse, really that bad? Current situation.

So, because of my situation, if a drug test is failed I will be in some serious shit. I started copping legal smoke, and I have always heard stories about inscence. Shit from "holes in your brain" "internal bleeding" and all this shit like how people steal like crazy and can't stop. I hear from my friend that it is so bad and what not.

Really, is it that bad? My drug of choice is marijuana, I don't plant on keeping up with this inscence smoking, when the times right, I'm a little older, I'm going to just smoke pot in my plans. But, will I even be able to eventually just stop smoking this legal shit easily? I've been smoking inscence a shit ton just about for about a month and half, I really don't know. I just basically wanna know the REAL truth about this shit. The real dangers, and if its really that bad. The people at the smokes hop act as if its nothing, and smoke it like its weed. Just really want to know.

Thanks In advance
 
We have no idea what is in your "incense". That's one of the main problems with it. It could be anything and many synthetic cannabinoid drugs are so new that we can't know the safety of a lot of them even if we did know what was in it.

I'll move your post to Cannabis Discussion.

BDD -> CD
 
JWH 200 didn't cause me any or barely any paranoia and I usually get it pretty bad from all cannabanoids including regular weed untill I build high tolerance.
 
I think some people are simply prone to experiencing unwanted paranoia/anxiety when smoking most strains of weed and especially, synthetics..
For me, never have I had issues with this..
From what i have gathered, synthetic highs tend to bring out the worst end of paranoia & anxiety as opposed to cannabis.
Surely this will differ from person to person.. But I personally think you have a better chance sticking with good old Marijuana (or, quitting).
 
I wouldn't trust them..
Having said that, I've experimented with synthetic weed a lot in the past, and they never screwed me over, never gave me depression/paranoia/anxiety and definitely never drove me to steal to support my habit or anything like that.
But the feeling i get from smoking these products doesn't feel too safe for the long run.
Only time will tell how bad this stuff really is.
If you can no longer smoke weed, i would try using this incense as a way of cutting back & quitting.
I found it helped aid me in kicking cannabis a couple of years ago.
But I would never let myself become dependent to it.
 
if someone offered you a pill and said "dude this will fuck you up man, its the shit have one"
then your like "wait what chemicals are in it?"
he says "its the bomb man its called 'juicy pop' "
would you take it?
i'd apply the same rules to this situation, also the fact that lots of people to go nuts from overdosing on synthetic weed

imho take the drug test as a sign to have a t-break (lowering your tolerance is a +) or find a job field that doesn't discriminate against personal actions
 
my experience is the legal stuff dont kill you but it does hurt you. As far as addiction goes its nothin compared to heroin so YOUR ok, however you should stop mind altering substanances while you still can. Spice is bad bro, ive had seizures from meager bong loads and what not. So i hope you stop b4 really learn what drug abuse means. yadamean, peace mane
 
down508 said:
Ok guys, so I think this is the last time I'm buying blends. Idk if this is the right forum for this but I would like advice. I've been smoking a new blend called Annihilation for a month or 2. It is the best blend I've found so far, but today I was packing a bowl from the bottom of a bag, and I found a strange object. I pull it out and low and behold there is a small broken stump of a snale shell, with the semi decomposed snale remains left in the shell. I am absolutely appalled but have no money and am wondering should I smoke it? jk but is the rest if the blend "safe" to smoke? I say it like that because obviously it isn't but I mean compared to if I hadnt found a snail in it. It smells like cannabanoids, clearly having been through the processing of the incense. should I bring it back and request a refund? I am a regular customer and I'm sure they'd rather keep my business. Let me know?
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I too have found a snail shell in a old bag I had purchased from a few months ago. Mine was Joker. Kind of gross, but maybe they've always been in the mix?
 
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