curious_24
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Depends which synth. The old JWH blends felt very much like cannabis to me. The newer ones less so.
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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3
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With very few exceptions, I almost universally prefer using the whole plant than I do an extract, derivative, or synthetic. The reason is that there are compounds in the whole plant which are beneficial to humans yet modern science has not yet mapped them. It's kind of like how you could just take a bunch of vitamins or you could eat some whole vegetables including their complex, unknown chemistries.
People who focus too much on "active ingredients" are neglecting how whole plant chemistries synergize with the body in ways that we don't yet fully understand. Evolution has furnished us with the mechanism so why mess with it by using something synthetic?
People who focus too much on "active ingredients" are neglecting how whole plant chemistries synergize with the body in ways that we don't yet fully understand. Evolution has furnished us with the mechanism so why mess with it by using something synthetic?
Age: 23
Background: Smoke weed daily, high tolerance.
I've had insomnia since I was a kid, always found it difficult to fall asleep, never tired at night etc
Other substance I've tried which have helped others sleep but not me include: Alcohol, Benzos, GBL
Weed seems to be the only thing on this earth that can allow me drift off at ease, however daily toking has made it quite expensive and less effective over time.. also, things like Sativa/Indica and potency of the weed varies so it can be hit and miss at times.
So I read up about the different noids and obtained some URF-144 and MAM-2201 to see what the fuss was about. I got a free 1g of Doob smoking blend so on to the report:
I rolled up 0.25-0.3g of Doob blend mixed with some baccy and a tiny sprinkle of URF-144. NOTE: when I say sprinkle I mean literally specks of the stuff, barely visible. No more than 1MG. I know you shouldn't, I've scales on the way but I felt I was playing it safe enough with this amount (turned out OK)
I sparked it up and smoked about 1/3 of it (2-skinner, small papers). It was at this point I started to feel the effects, I was watching something comedy related and I could see the colours on screen get brighter, more vivid, then a pleasant tingling all over body sensation. I felt I was coming up, is this the dreaded AM rushes about to blast me off I wondered so I put the spliff down for now and let it take over.
+15min The come up gently plateaued into a nice relaxing high, much more prominent than after smoking 2g of good weed.
+30min Head high fades and body buzz remains.
I then smoked the rest of it, in thirds over about 1hr and 30min in total duration.
+2hrs Rolled a spliff of weed/baccy which slightly enhanced and extended the body buzz, slight head high.
I then went to bed and had a great night's sleep.. woke up earlier than usual, felt better than usual.
I guess the noids shorter duration gives less of a hangover in the morning, which at times was an annoyance with weed - coming into work at 9am listening to the boss while still half asleep/high not being able to remember jack shit lol
So for me a very positive experience. It was like being high for the first time. Really didn't think it was much different to weed as has been stated many times on here and other boards. Maybe at higher doses it gets trippy but the same goes for weed/THC.
..and I used sweet FA compared to blazing through 2-3g of chronic for less of an effect.
Tips: Make sure you smoke it in a rollie. Don't bong this stuff as it's too difficult to gauge dose that way.
Extra notes: Doob blend tasted a lot nicer than Spice/Spice Gold. I really didn't mind the taste at all. Does anyone actually know what the plant matter is so I can make my own?
Also, for anyone thinking the addition of the URF-144 somehow altered the buzz. The next night I just used the Doob blend and got the same effect, so the dosage I used of URF the first time, wasn't enough to change the experience. I'll post up reports about URF and MAM when I get round to trying them on their own.
Background: Smoke weed daily, high tolerance.
I've had insomnia since I was a kid, always found it difficult to fall asleep, never tired at night etc
Other substance I've tried which have helped others sleep but not me include: Alcohol, Benzos, GBL
Weed seems to be the only thing on this earth that can allow me drift off at ease, however daily toking has made it quite expensive and less effective over time.. also, things like Sativa/Indica and potency of the weed varies so it can be hit and miss at times.
So I read up about the different noids and obtained some URF-144 and MAM-2201 to see what the fuss was about. I got a free 1g of Doob smoking blend so on to the report:
I rolled up 0.25-0.3g of Doob blend mixed with some baccy and a tiny sprinkle of URF-144. NOTE: when I say sprinkle I mean literally specks of the stuff, barely visible. No more than 1MG. I know you shouldn't, I've scales on the way but I felt I was playing it safe enough with this amount (turned out OK)
I sparked it up and smoked about 1/3 of it (2-skinner, small papers). It was at this point I started to feel the effects, I was watching something comedy related and I could see the colours on screen get brighter, more vivid, then a pleasant tingling all over body sensation. I felt I was coming up, is this the dreaded AM rushes about to blast me off I wondered so I put the spliff down for now and let it take over.
+15min The come up gently plateaued into a nice relaxing high, much more prominent than after smoking 2g of good weed.
+30min Head high fades and body buzz remains.
I then smoked the rest of it, in thirds over about 1hr and 30min in total duration.
+2hrs Rolled a spliff of weed/baccy which slightly enhanced and extended the body buzz, slight head high.
I then went to bed and had a great night's sleep.. woke up earlier than usual, felt better than usual.
I guess the noids shorter duration gives less of a hangover in the morning, which at times was an annoyance with weed - coming into work at 9am listening to the boss while still half asleep/high not being able to remember jack shit lol
So for me a very positive experience. It was like being high for the first time. Really didn't think it was much different to weed as has been stated many times on here and other boards. Maybe at higher doses it gets trippy but the same goes for weed/THC.
..and I used sweet FA compared to blazing through 2-3g of chronic for less of an effect.
Tips: Make sure you smoke it in a rollie. Don't bong this stuff as it's too difficult to gauge dose that way.
Extra notes: Doob blend tasted a lot nicer than Spice/Spice Gold. I really didn't mind the taste at all. Does anyone actually know what the plant matter is so I can make my own?
Also, for anyone thinking the addition of the URF-144 somehow altered the buzz. The next night I just used the Doob blend and got the same effect, so the dosage I used of URF the first time, wasn't enough to change the experience. I'll post up reports about URF and MAM when I get round to trying them on their own.
Today I had one of the most bizarre and scariest experiences of my life. I've been smoking real weed regularly for a couple of years now, and also have tried stuff like shrooms, acid and speed/ice a couple of times, but no experience prepared me for what happened today.
Today, I smoked just 1 shot of fake weed (brand Northern Lights Primo) via bong and all hell broke loose. Within just seconds of smoking, I began to enter a realm of super-intense high. Within about 5 to 10 minutes, I began to experience a trip (something I've never experienced before with weed, let alone fake weed). I began to lose my connection with reality. This loss of connection was extreme. I couldn't understand what was going on around me. It felt like I was separating my consciousness from my physical reality. It was like I was living in the past and everything that was happening around me was a dream of the future in my head. After a while, I couldn't even understand what being conscious meant. I couldn't walk, talk, eat, think or do anything. Some time later, I started vomiting vigorously and experienced extreme physical discomfort (like those you get after a heavy drinking session). The trip ended only after I actually lost consciousness and woke up after an hour or so.
This trip was far far worse than the bad trip I had with fresh mushrooms. I really don't understand what happened and was hoping to shed some light on it.
Today, I smoked just 1 shot of fake weed (brand Northern Lights Primo) via bong and all hell broke loose. Within just seconds of smoking, I began to enter a realm of super-intense high. Within about 5 to 10 minutes, I began to experience a trip (something I've never experienced before with weed, let alone fake weed). I began to lose my connection with reality. This loss of connection was extreme. I couldn't understand what was going on around me. It felt like I was separating my consciousness from my physical reality. It was like I was living in the past and everything that was happening around me was a dream of the future in my head. After a while, I couldn't even understand what being conscious meant. I couldn't walk, talk, eat, think or do anything. Some time later, I started vomiting vigorously and experienced extreme physical discomfort (like those you get after a heavy drinking session). The trip ended only after I actually lost consciousness and woke up after an hour or so.
This trip was far far worse than the bad trip I had with fresh mushrooms. I really don't understand what happened and was hoping to shed some light on it.
Chainer
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Please check out the MEGA synthetic drug thread
merging there now
merging there now
intelligentmind
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Has anyone tried Doob? I can list the ingredients if that helps?
I live in Japan and some of the synthetics are still not prohibited here. I would rather use the real thing but since the real weed is not allowed I enjoy using the synthetics.
I thought that was different with every person to use the synthetics but reading some of the previews threads I see that a Lot of people feels and experiences the same things as I do.
I don't remember getting head rush, anxiety or getting agitated by the real thing as it happens with the synthetics. When I was living in the country I was born I used to smoke the real weed and would get very relaxed. The difference that I experienced with the synthetics are that I get anxious , agitated (when I overdo) and somewhat a little bit verbally aggressive. I don't get physically aggressive, only verbally. When I just give it a 1 or 2 sucks it makes me a little bit on the edge of happiness. Makes me talkative and makes me smile for no reason. Music is also one of my tools that I use when I am tripping. Sometimes is almost like the music possesses me and almost like controls me like a bunch of electronic signals running through the brain main board caring the ideas and images and thoughts through.
I am addicted to it , I can pass without but I am not. Have been using for 3 months now. Everyday , even at work. It makes me hungry and at the same time I get sleepy I keep myself awake to see all through. It makes it easies pain even thou my others senses become very alive.
Now the winter is coming but at the summer time I got even a kind of ritual of smoking and going to the park near my home at day light and go jumping and dancing through the park listening to Enya! XD Okay, I am a sissy boy! Anyway, it makes me feel safe and warm. Almost like the park is my personal Eden and the Sun is God watching over me , even thou I am an atheist!
Other characteristic that I noticed was that I don't like to smoke at home and at Night in Narrow places. I guess somewhat I have some kind of claustrophobia suppressed that only comes out when I am tripping. Riding the train is also delicious! Observing other people around is good too.
There are some different qualities and levels of what they call "spice" here in Japan. I use what may be called the beginner's level. When I smoke I also get very thirst so I always drink something over after suck some of the fake pot in the pipe.
That's a little of my experience
I thought that was different with every person to use the synthetics but reading some of the previews threads I see that a Lot of people feels and experiences the same things as I do.
I don't remember getting head rush, anxiety or getting agitated by the real thing as it happens with the synthetics. When I was living in the country I was born I used to smoke the real weed and would get very relaxed. The difference that I experienced with the synthetics are that I get anxious , agitated (when I overdo) and somewhat a little bit verbally aggressive. I don't get physically aggressive, only verbally. When I just give it a 1 or 2 sucks it makes me a little bit on the edge of happiness. Makes me talkative and makes me smile for no reason. Music is also one of my tools that I use when I am tripping. Sometimes is almost like the music possesses me and almost like controls me like a bunch of electronic signals running through the brain main board caring the ideas and images and thoughts through.
I am addicted to it , I can pass without but I am not. Have been using for 3 months now. Everyday , even at work. It makes me hungry and at the same time I get sleepy I keep myself awake to see all through. It makes it easies pain even thou my others senses become very alive.
Now the winter is coming but at the summer time I got even a kind of ritual of smoking and going to the park near my home at day light and go jumping and dancing through the park listening to Enya! XD Okay, I am a sissy boy! Anyway, it makes me feel safe and warm. Almost like the park is my personal Eden and the Sun is God watching over me , even thou I am an atheist!
Other characteristic that I noticed was that I don't like to smoke at home and at Night in Narrow places. I guess somewhat I have some kind of claustrophobia suppressed that only comes out when I am tripping. Riding the train is also delicious! Observing other people around is good too.
There are some different qualities and levels of what they call "spice" here in Japan. I use what may be called the beginner's level. When I smoke I also get very thirst so I always drink something over after suck some of the fake pot in the pipe.
That's a little of my experience
forgot to say. I use the Phoenix from starcense now. The sweet smell is very easy to use. I used also the Katana , which was very punk and got me even forgetting I was human and stayed at front of my refrigerator open like 30 minutes trying to put things inside as an puzzle I could not solve. Maharaja which I did not like the flavor but the effects are very similar to the phoenix and the Dark Moon from arata company which is one of the highest levels available, just one suck and putted me in a very psychotic stage in which I was shouting at the window with a imaginary person that answered me while I was tripping. Thank god I was shouting in my original language and I guess my neighbours thought I was having a fight over the phone and did not called the cops. That's when I got verbally really aggressive. I guess I can not get physically aggressive cause I can not even stand on my feet when I am at this stage. I don't like when I get to this stage cause its almost like I am in sync with a very powerful energy that has no meaning or reason. Just is, is just there. I can not think clearly and makes me ill to the point of vomiting.
Now I got the High End Phoenix to and it is very mild too but I like more the flavor of the first one.
Now I got the High End Phoenix to and it is very mild too but I like more the flavor of the first one.
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Ive tried Doob,its insane stuff. you should try it, knocks your head off
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This is clearly all shilling.
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Maybe this question should have is own thread but lets start her up here.
After disolving the noid could instead of soaking in or spraying it on herbs and evaporating the solvent of,
the noid be kept in the solvent without degrading. I am no scientist as some may notice.
This seems more convenient as you can take out x ml. which equals x mg. of noid(s).
When needed x ml. can be put in your vaporizer or put on herb.
Let the solvent evaporate and have a measured ammount of active material.
This way it seems more convenient for storage, eassier to determine and adjust dosage and you have more freedom
applying it on different herbs. And I rather have a flask of liquid then a bag of herbs.
For disolving your synthetic noid which medium would be better pure aceton or 90% denatured alcohol.
The latter having the pro of evaporating without horrible smell of aceton.
Lastly when applying your solvent + noid(s) on herbs what's the general concensus to be safest soaking or spraying.
After disolving the noid could instead of soaking in or spraying it on herbs and evaporating the solvent of,
the noid be kept in the solvent without degrading. I am no scientist as some may notice.
This seems more convenient as you can take out x ml. which equals x mg. of noid(s).
When needed x ml. can be put in your vaporizer or put on herb.
Let the solvent evaporate and have a measured ammount of active material.
This way it seems more convenient for storage, eassier to determine and adjust dosage and you have more freedom
applying it on different herbs. And I rather have a flask of liquid then a bag of herbs.
For disolving your synthetic noid which medium would be better pure aceton or 90% denatured alcohol.
The latter having the pro of evaporating without horrible smell of aceton.
Lastly when applying your solvent + noid(s) on herbs what's the general concensus to be safest soaking or spraying.
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A similar thing happened to me. Dissociation and full on tripping from Northern Lights Primo, but fortunately I restricted myself to half a single hit cone, and I know from previous experience to just ride it out for 20 - 25 mns, and there was no vomiting.
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/\ I felt like that too twice. For me is because I took to much of shot . Much more then I can take and the quality or the brand was directed to those who have high tolerance which I don't. The difference is that I was able to crawl to my bathroom and vomit at the floor which I could wash over with shower afterwards. You can not say what is what and where the things begin or ends. The various sides of your personality also seems to gain a voice on their own and talk at the same time. It is kind of hell broke loose. I don't like to go at this point either so I smoke very little with the gentle blends. If that happens again I advise you to drink milk ,it will slow down the rush and you will be able to function even thou you will know that your are not normal and might even enjoy since it is slowing down the effects! Works for me when that happens
Spraying will probably not evenly distribute the noids leaving "hotspots". soaking is your best bet
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The doob contains (1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3- (1-naphthoyl)indole) 1-(N-methylpiperidin-2-yl) methyl-3-(2-iodobenzoyl)indole
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On the previous page you posted "Dont think anyones mentioned this synthetic cannabinoid before but ive recently tried a product called 'Doob' from a trusted vendor in the UK.Actually came free with certain other products.
So it arrives,it looks exactly like weed,smells nothing like it,took one pipe full of the stuff and was sent straight to a different dimension. It felt like hell had just arisen.All my perceptions were hideously distorted, i could hear voices,see different faces,definatly a heavy psychedelic feel to it. It wasn't nice i must admit for a good hour or so. I thought i was doing damage to my brain or something. The bad trip lasted about 1 hour, but then i nicely started to come down nicely of it and felt ok,very trippy still but no where near as intense(thank god!)
Anyway just thought i make a effort to warn people about this product 'Doob'.Take in small doses,trust me it's very strong!!
Now you are saying "Ive tried Doob,its insane stuff. you should try it, knocks your head off"
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I haven't followed synths for quite a while. What's the new JWH-018 and JWH-250 and AM-2201? I think those are illegal either federally or by 98% of states now.
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