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is there anything new coming? last things i tried were UR-144 and MAM-2201.
 
Dude, not only was that very, very hard to read, but you kinda just made my point. 90% of that post was way, way off topic. Most doctors have no clue wtf they are talking about regarding cannabis, much less cannabinoid synthetics. Nobody was talking about being judged, it was about the level of help you will receive.

Not everyone has the option of bouncing around a shit ton of doctors.. and as someone who has, it's a huge fucking pain in the ass. It's hard enough to find doctors (PCP docs, not specialists) who even know what they are talking about regarding opiate addiction, much less some RC that has only been around for less than a decade, and only a few years publicly (since K2).


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That is awesome! I'm gonna tell my friend he was right. At the end I was incapable of creating an overwhelming experience with vaping, despite constantly trying. This doesn't mean oral dozing shouldn't be treated with the utmost respect. How would you say oral doses binder to fatty acids compare to a vaped dose? I think with oral it would be easier to manage ones use while attempting a taper.
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Should be plenty active without need to bind to any fatty lipid. Can't hurt, but in the powder form, it should be as ready to go as anything. Shooting it in koolaid should be fine if it's anything like JWH.

Youre far from the first to claim nothing happens when you vape it. Try vape/smoking it off foil - it's very hard to do unless you are familiar with that ROA (with H or other powders that puddle and chase), but I've found it to be the very strongest method of dosing, behind orally taken. You can also see what is left behind - anything other then a clear puddle is a decent claim that your stuff isn't pure.
 
My technique was constantly improving, and I would vape out of a Cb/oil burner/meth pipe, not off foil.

As for oral, yes I know that ur 144 should be active orally like jwh, but in my experience it isn't. Perhaps before you try to relate it to a completely different chemical which isnt even active at the same receptor sites, you should try researching it for yourself. Its just bad practice especially on a harm reduction forum.

This is in the case that you haven't personally tried oral ur-144, which is what I could best infer from your post.
If this is not the case then I apologize, and I am very curious why it worked for you and not for anyone else ive talked to.
Ive tried taking up to 4 times what I would consider a moderate dose vaped (having worked myself up to that dose after being unable to achieve sufficient effects with less material.)

I also find that ur-144 is more difficult to vape than other cannabinoids, almost like it takes much longer to vape an active dose. Sometimes out oof frustration I would put 15 Mg on the screen of a small metal pipe and light it gently, being sure not to let the flame touch it. This seemed to produce the best effects although I was afraid it was far less efficient.

All I can do is post my experience, and if yours differs from mine I'm not surprised. Everybody is different in the way drugs affect them, and the last thing I would want to do is mislead someone. I hope that we can reach some kind of understanding, but I would not feel right about suggesting you go out and purchase ur-144 for the purposes of settling this dispute. I am curious though if you have actually tried oral UR-144 or if you are assuming it would work in the same way as the various jwh's.

Once again I offer my support to anyone who is struggling with this. Once I got over the horrendous physical withdrawals it became much easier to stop myself from repeating the cycle. The truth is on day 2 of the withdrawals I was strongly considering suicide, justas a way to make the excruciating pain go away. This tells you something about the addictive nature of these drugs, and how difficult it is to break the cycle. If I was willing to end my life to make the withdrawals stop, think about how hard it was to resist buying more.

I thank the higher power who I choose to have faith it, and personally believe is looking after all of us drug users, that I didn't choose to take that way out. Last night I went to an all night dance event (angerfist was playing :)) which is something I never would have been able to do if I was still using 5f/Ur-144, and I had a complete blast despite being sober the entire night. I can feel my physical and mental health improving on a daily basis, and I look foward to doing more fun things and truly enjoying the new chance at life I have been given.

Be safe bl'ers
 
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Dude, not only was that very, very hard to read, but you kinda just made my point. 90% of that post was way, way off topic. Most doctors have no clue wtf they are talking about regarding cannabis, much less cannabinoid synthetics. Nobody was talking about being judged, it was about the level of help you will receive.

Not everyone has the option of bouncing around a shit ton of doctors.. and as someone who has, it's a huge fucking pain in the ass. It's hard enough to find doctors (PCP docs, not specialists) who even know what they are talking about regarding opiate addiction, much less some RC that has only been around for less than a decade, and only a few years publicly (since K2).


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I would have to say I agree with you on this. I have a ppo for insurance under my parents plan, which is widely considered the best type of insurance (thank you so much Obama). Even with this I have been trying to see a new therapist all summer at a local healthcare center. Of course this requires me to get a new Pcp who is in the same network and after scheduling an intake appointment to get a referral and wait over a month to see the doctor. I missed this appointment due to being bedridden from withdrawals, so I ended up having to wait another month. I still haven't gotten in to see this Dr. Yet and if he isn't a good match for me I will have to wait another month for an appointment with a new doctor. When I do get the refferall to see this new therapist a 1/4 of a year will have gone by. And that's assuming by some miracle I get the right therapist right off the bat. If I didn't have such good insurance it would take even longer and I would be even more limitted to who I get to see.


From the sound of this post I am a little concerned about the posters mental health. you need to understand that as doctors they have a responsibility to investigate and exhaust every possibility. just the overall irrelevance of the post in question gives me a clue about why the doctors behaved the way they did. I agree with the notion that you should be honest and forthcoming about your drug use with your doctors, because you run the risk of wasting their time and also being treated for medical conditions that you don't have. my advice to this poster is to lay off the psychedelics. give your brain a chance bud, and I have a feeling you will be very impressed with how much clearer and coherent you become. as for blaming your parents, that's not cool man. If they weren't concerned for your well being I know they wouldn't. Have done the things they did. I know how difficult it is to take personal responsibility while you are still using drugs, but it never hurts to examine the role you've played in getting yourself to where you are right now.

I'm not saying that all healthcare providers are perfect, and I too have experienced being held against my will while my insurance pays out thousands of dollars a day. with the pain clinic problems that are plaguing Florida, it is becoming more and more clear that doctors aren't immune to greed. they are people just like the rest of us.

I wish you the best, and I hope things take a change for the better. I still stand by my suggestion that maybe psychedelics aren't the best thing for you right now. referring to them as teachers only serves to glamourize them, while failing to acknowledge that they might not be the best thing for everyone. I personally think the brain works best when not hindered by drugs, and make no mistake about the fact that psychedelics are drugs. it sounds like you would benefit from some time off of drugs, remember that more drugs are not always the answer. if you are unwilling or unable to try and live your life without drugs interfering with your thought processes then this only further supports my theory. It sounds like your pain management Dr. is acting as a pretty serious enabler. I don't think any doctor should encourage/fail to discourage drug use in his patients, especially a pain management Dr. who is responsible for prescribing powerful schedule 2 drugs. I would like to remind you that your Dr is not your friend. and if it starts to feel that wayvthen it is time to get a new Dr.

this is my harm reduction post of the day

of course what you choose to do is entirely up to you, I am only voicing my opinion (only knowing one side if the story.
 
From my experience, 5mg AM-2201 taken orally can produce vastly different intensities. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it does absolutely nothing, and on one occasion so far it was a clear overdose. Anything above 7mg for me is a guaranteed overdose. It's just so hit and miss with some chemicals, and I suspect (5F)UR-144 is similar. I think for a substance with such low active doses to give consistent results, it has to be absolutely soluble. Otherwise, you're risking a bad experience, or no experience at all, all within mgs of the dose.
 
I've been trying to replicate the opioid feeling that AM-2201 often gives me and I've found that repeated low doses work far far better for this purpose than one or two large doses. This leads me to believe that these relaxing/depressant effects are present for a lot longer than the other effects of the drug, and as such dosing even after the main peak of effects has worn off amplifies these effects significantly without amplifying the other effects to the point of panic/anxiety/other side-effects.

It also might explain why I find AM-2201 lasts a lot longer for me than most people say. Most people I've heard saying it lasts 40-70 minutes, while for me it lasts anywhere from 2-5 hours, usually 2-3, but 4-5 is common with high doses or on the last experience in a chain of redoses. I regard the experience as over when I feel sober - not when the euphoric peak wears off, and as such the sleepy relaxed time after the peak is part of the experience for me. It's possible that other people experience this too but regard the high as the duration at which the euphoria persists.
 
apologies for not reading all the pages of the several discussions on these, but had a quick question about a "local blend" from my area.
1) how normal is it for a product to go from "1 hit is strong" to "I can smoke a blunt to my face w/o feeling anything", after only a day and a half of <super>heavy usage?
2) is the "fiendin" part of these products known to get incredibly strong? Not painful or psychotic like many other "hard" drugs, but rather just a *constant* little urge, at the forefront of the mind, kind of like the desire for a cigarette?

I've enjoyed the aromas, so to speak, of plenty of different spice products, and was always satisfied; even this *exact* product, purchased/used earlier in the week, was a "solid" product, well worth buying.
this weekend i wasn't being too smart and instead of drinking, ended up going through around a zip between fri night and all day sat (i know i know..i can barely breathe lol), these effects manifested and am really curious. I've *never* seen a substance where, upon hitting some set point of "high", taking more did nothing. no sickness, no further high, nothing!!
 
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From what I've heard they're generally not nearly as safe as the real thing. Many seem to be able to propel one past what cannabis can do in terms of a "high".
 
My favorite that ive tried is 5f-ur-144. With am2201 I would get really high the first couple hits, which would last around 45 minutes. After that I was incapable of getting high again. Really pissed me off. These are of course out of the recent ones. I thought jwh18, 73, and 250 were all amazing when they were available. I am more into the body high I get from 5f-ur-144 then any of the more sativa like am, and I like the fact that I could get high all day on it and after sleeping it off I would be able to achieve similar effects. I don't like how physically dependant I became on the (5f-)UR-144 blends though, and the fact that due to their affinity for the cb2 receptors I was unable to experience relief from the withdrawals by smoking other blends.

But as its been stated there is no best blend. Earlier on this thread someone said that am2201 lasts for numerous hours, ive never experienced this so as you can see everyones different.
 
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any of you still smoke the real stuff as in hash/solid finding that every damn bar is mixed to fuck with noids now ? just had a gram polm sample which was most deffo not totally organic shame because it ruins the smoke im finding
 
Can anyone post some good recipes for making solid blends? I always enjoyed smoking the resin that formed in ny pipes, probably because of the combination of hours that go into it I've always wanted to try it and am curious to sew if anyone has had any luck.

that sucks about people selling you noid laced hash as the real thing. idk why someone would do that, they could probably make more money, and be protected by the law, if they were forthcoming about what it is.



which brings me to my next thought. do you think its possible to be charged with possession of the banned (now schedule 1, meaning you face stiff penalties, possibly even jail time) chemicals just by having the resin in your pipe? The more I think about it the more I think its possible, albeit maybe not probable. either way this is something I think needs to be discussed, for the protection of blend users.
 
can someone tell me what happened to the legal incense over the counter highs? The past 3 bags I've tried have been so different. It's like being high, without the psychadelic thougts or anything.. Idk if some new law was enacted or what? and all the incense have to use different substances? in florida at least.
 
i thought most the good one were banned in america i.e am-2201 and the jwh ones so what you got now sound like ur144 which is milder than most even 5fur-144 is milder than am-2201 AND THATS THE MAM2201 VERSION of 5fur-144 so most likely what your getting
 
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