what is JWH AM AKB MAM AB UR AM RC ? or do you mean the best syn cannaboid mixtures? well all the good ones are gone but in a fantasy i would think would be a ratio of jwh-203 as a majority and a different ratio of JWH-073 AKB48 MAM-2201 UR-144 JWH-210 JWH-018 and a dash of AM-2201 and 5f-ur
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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3
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NeighborhoodThreat
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This isn't appropriate for Basic Drug Discussion. It may fit in Cannabis Discussion, so I'll move it there - but it may get closed.
BDD --> CD
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Chainer
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merged to synth
rave_itsrealfun!!!
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I tried to smoke some jwh-203 but was grossed out as it tasted like mothballs. It didn't really get me that high either. All in all I'd much prefer to consume some of my tasty kush than any of this weird stuff. The variety of cannabinoids found in good kush synergizes majestically.
intelligentmind
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Is the k2 stuff everyone's raving on about any good?
down508
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I have some good news. You may remember my postings from earlier in the thread, describing the suffering I was going through trying to get myself off this stuff. I would go through 5 days of withdrawal with no chemicals because I had no money, and just as things were starting to get better the insidious nature of the stuff would suck me back in. I am on suboxone maintenance as well for a previous problem with heroin. I thank my higher power that this stuff never led me back down that road, and I'm afraid if I didn't have my suboxone to fall back on it certainly would have.
So last week I posted that I was running out and desperate. Truly fearful that I wouldn't make it. There were times during the withdrawal that I seriously considered suicide in order to make it end. I'm glad I didn't go down that road because it has now been a little over 7 days since my last toke on UR-144 and I feel like a new man. I successfully did what I have been trying to do for 6 months, and I couldn't be more proud. It took the life of me not to pick up more when I ran into money, and I tried telling myself every excuse I could to get more. I had even convinced myself at one point that if I ordered 20 grams (the vendor decided to have a 50% off sale right as I was struggling with the idea), I would be able to start up an incense business and not touch the stuff myself.
my usage towards the end was as follows: 5 grams of either 5F-UR-144 or UR-144 arrives in the mail on a friday. I begin a regimen of 15-30 milligrams every half hour or so, and if I didn't keep up with this regimen I become violently ill. The 5 grams would usually last me until around tuesday when I would be scrambling to throw together money. I would then spend the rest of the week throwing up bile and sweating liters of water out into my bedsheets.
things like going to doctors appointments and court dates became in possible. I couldn't remember what I did the day before, let alone remember important things like court dates. Last week I got a probation violation for a missed court date because for the life of me I couldn't remember it. and I became so apathetic that even if I did manage to remember things I just wouldn't do them because I was more interested in laying in bed taking hits off my vape and watching netflix.
I come to you today with some advice. If you are considering starting this stuff, I recommend you take a pass until either A. more is known about these chemicals and their long term effects, or B. some sort of treatment approach has been developed to fight the withdrawal symptoms. I came clean with my parents about what I was going through, and they were surprisingly understanding. They knew I had been smoking it again this summer but as far as they knew I had quit 2 months ago. I told my mother the truth that when she had caught me initially I had an extremely hard time stopping.
Today I feel a new sense of hope for my life. I feel like I have a shot at living a fulfilling life, and when I was using I felt like that was what I would be doing for the rest of my life and would never get to accomplish anything.
Although some people do have to learn for themselves, I hope my experience will atleast make someone think twice about what they put in their body. Even more so I hope that this experience gives hope to those who feel hopeless. If you told me I would feel the way I do right now a week ago I wouldn't have believed you.
I hope everybody who's suffering gets the chance at happiness they deserve, and remember, things can always get better
God bless you all, I have much love for people going through this and if anybody would like to talk to me about what they are going through I am always available.
-down508
So last week I posted that I was running out and desperate. Truly fearful that I wouldn't make it. There were times during the withdrawal that I seriously considered suicide in order to make it end. I'm glad I didn't go down that road because it has now been a little over 7 days since my last toke on UR-144 and I feel like a new man. I successfully did what I have been trying to do for 6 months, and I couldn't be more proud. It took the life of me not to pick up more when I ran into money, and I tried telling myself every excuse I could to get more. I had even convinced myself at one point that if I ordered 20 grams (the vendor decided to have a 50% off sale right as I was struggling with the idea), I would be able to start up an incense business and not touch the stuff myself.
my usage towards the end was as follows: 5 grams of either 5F-UR-144 or UR-144 arrives in the mail on a friday. I begin a regimen of 15-30 milligrams every half hour or so, and if I didn't keep up with this regimen I become violently ill. The 5 grams would usually last me until around tuesday when I would be scrambling to throw together money. I would then spend the rest of the week throwing up bile and sweating liters of water out into my bedsheets.
things like going to doctors appointments and court dates became in possible. I couldn't remember what I did the day before, let alone remember important things like court dates. Last week I got a probation violation for a missed court date because for the life of me I couldn't remember it. and I became so apathetic that even if I did manage to remember things I just wouldn't do them because I was more interested in laying in bed taking hits off my vape and watching netflix.
I come to you today with some advice. If you are considering starting this stuff, I recommend you take a pass until either A. more is known about these chemicals and their long term effects, or B. some sort of treatment approach has been developed to fight the withdrawal symptoms. I came clean with my parents about what I was going through, and they were surprisingly understanding. They knew I had been smoking it again this summer but as far as they knew I had quit 2 months ago. I told my mother the truth that when she had caught me initially I had an extremely hard time stopping.
Today I feel a new sense of hope for my life. I feel like I have a shot at living a fulfilling life, and when I was using I felt like that was what I would be doing for the rest of my life and would never get to accomplish anything.
Although some people do have to learn for themselves, I hope my experience will atleast make someone think twice about what they put in their body. Even more so I hope that this experience gives hope to those who feel hopeless. If you told me I would feel the way I do right now a week ago I wouldn't have believed you.
I hope everybody who's suffering gets the chance at happiness they deserve, and remember, things can always get better
God bless you all, I have much love for people going through this and if anybody would like to talk to me about what they are going through I am always available.
-down508
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^Like. There is nothing more satisfying than seeing someone recover and come back to their senses. I had a bad experience recently with AM-2201 which has made me more aware of how much I love my life at the moment. Sometimes you get caught up in the moment and can't think rationally until you've been sober for a good week or so.
Clobbersaurus
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Tks for taking the time to post that, down508. Reading worse case scenarios, or at least pretty bad ones, definitely keeps my usage in check. Aside from my own self interest, I am glad that you found the strength to move yourself forward.
A quick addendum to my above first time experience with UR-144. After talking with my gf at length later that afternoon, she explained the origin of her bad trip. The reason the experience was so "dark" and "violent" was that we were watching Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows" at the time; if you've seen his movies, you know his visually dark style. Further, her suicidal inclinations were triggered because we were at a scene where Johnny Depp's love "jumps" off a cliff. Everything made sense as she explained, and I should have picked it up myself by the language she used in the first place.
Being it was a holiday weekend, we extended our party that night. We split 15mg of 5-meo-dipt after starting w/ 300mg 4MEC bombs and redosing 150mg once 1.5h later. After the foxy peaked, we redosed 4MEC. At this point, I was feeling great and decided to cross the 15mg threshold with UR-144. Vaped 15mg, redosed 20mg ~25m later, and a third time another 25-30m after that. The experience here was nothing like straight UR-144: complete lack of mental activity other than the brain tickling with deep bass I described earlier and an amazing body high that was tingly as all hell for a good 15-20m. I didn't want to test the new reaction on my gf, however. Decided to go to sleep at this point, as redosing 4MEC was giving minimal boost.
Monday was recovery day, but I kept taking fairly large hits (15-25mg) of UR-144 throughout the day, sometimes sleeping for 30m-1h after coming down a larger hit. But it never gave me that dissociative/psychedelic feeling I got early on. I did get a bit of a headache that night, possibly withdrawal from ~250mg of UR144 in ~30 hours. Rolled a blunt Tuesday when I got home from work with 1.5g White Rhino, .25g bubble hash, and 50mg of UR144 added in acetone solution. My gf and I smoked 5 hits each and felt super indica stoned for ~20m (or however long Weeds lasted this week). However, I did feel I could have reached the dissociative/psychedelic state if I continued hitting it, which I did not feel the day before. We finished the blunt over the course of the night, and I again had a slight headache that night.
My headaches could be from not hydrating well enough; the 4MEC is a crazy diuretic for me and no matter how hard I try, I cannot drink enough. Been catching up on h2o since yesterday though. I am laying off the UR144 till at least the weekend, but hoping my new samples arrive before then.
Tks for taking the time to post that, down508. Reading worse case scenarios, or at least pretty bad ones, definitely keeps my usage in check. Aside from my own self interest, I am glad that you found the strength to move yourself forward.
A quick addendum to my above first time experience with UR-144. After talking with my gf at length later that afternoon, she explained the origin of her bad trip. The reason the experience was so "dark" and "violent" was that we were watching Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows" at the time; if you've seen his movies, you know his visually dark style. Further, her suicidal inclinations were triggered because we were at a scene where Johnny Depp's love "jumps" off a cliff. Everything made sense as she explained, and I should have picked it up myself by the language she used in the first place.
Being it was a holiday weekend, we extended our party that night. We split 15mg of 5-meo-dipt after starting w/ 300mg 4MEC bombs and redosing 150mg once 1.5h later. After the foxy peaked, we redosed 4MEC. At this point, I was feeling great and decided to cross the 15mg threshold with UR-144. Vaped 15mg, redosed 20mg ~25m later, and a third time another 25-30m after that. The experience here was nothing like straight UR-144: complete lack of mental activity other than the brain tickling with deep bass I described earlier and an amazing body high that was tingly as all hell for a good 15-20m. I didn't want to test the new reaction on my gf, however. Decided to go to sleep at this point, as redosing 4MEC was giving minimal boost.
Monday was recovery day, but I kept taking fairly large hits (15-25mg) of UR-144 throughout the day, sometimes sleeping for 30m-1h after coming down a larger hit. But it never gave me that dissociative/psychedelic feeling I got early on. I did get a bit of a headache that night, possibly withdrawal from ~250mg of UR144 in ~30 hours. Rolled a blunt Tuesday when I got home from work with 1.5g White Rhino, .25g bubble hash, and 50mg of UR144 added in acetone solution. My gf and I smoked 5 hits each and felt super indica stoned for ~20m (or however long Weeds lasted this week). However, I did feel I could have reached the dissociative/psychedelic state if I continued hitting it, which I did not feel the day before. We finished the blunt over the course of the night, and I again had a slight headache that night.
My headaches could be from not hydrating well enough; the 4MEC is a crazy diuretic for me and no matter how hard I try, I cannot drink enough. Been catching up on h2o since yesterday though. I am laying off the UR144 till at least the weekend, but hoping my new samples arrive before then.
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intelligentmind
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what's the best synthetic there is?
FrenchMachine
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This sounds exactly like 5F-UR144...not regular UR144. Pretty sure you got some mixed up powder. The 5F is a beast while the UR144 is more gentle, easier to handle mentally. UR144 is mostly body (CB2). The 5F causes a very intense rush for the first 10-12min then fades into a nice stone.
I would say what you have been using is 5F-UR144.
I would say what you have been using is 5F-UR144.
First time posting, fairly new to the RC and synthnoid scene. Having previously only tried RSC-4 and 4-MEC, I acquired a decent sized sample of UR-144 from a reputable vendor (9+ on SoS). I stress that last part because my experience with this compound is somewhat different than most accounts I read. At allergy test doses (<.0005g vaped), both my gf and I felt subtle marijuana-like effects within a minute. I mixed up some 5mg/10ml solution that I then added 10ml to a gram of White Rhino. We took a few hits each, from a pipe, and felt sufficiently indica stoned. However, 30 minutes later I felt pretty close to baseline.
I had read someone suggest 15mg vaped doses, but judging by the effects we were feeling at relatively low doses, a dose that high seemed redundant. But I was still curious, so I weighed out 8mg for myself and 4 mg for my gf (she is ~half my bodyweight). I vaped my 8 mg (the taste was very mild, somewhat sweet, and almost not even there), and waited too long to sit down because it quickly became apparent that at higher doses, UR-144 is a completely different fucking beast. No natural strain has ever effected me like this stuff did, and I've made a habit of sampling haze hybrids. This was slightly dissociative; I can only compare it to a k hole but it was not anywhere near that debilitating. There was a distinct numbness to my sense of touch, but it was not unpleasant. However, the TV all of a sudden was assaulting me with sonic blasts; there was a car chase taking place and every time the engine revved, I was overcome by the sound amplification my head was performing. About 7 minutes later, I stopped going up and started free-falling which felt very good (I've read the experience compared to a rollercoaster ride and I would say that is a good metaphor!). Another 13 minutes passed before the extra euphoria wore off and I felt simply stoned. My gf (smartly) denied her dose so I vaped it and it hit me in much the same way, albeit less intense. One thing I did notice on this second dose was my inability to focus my imagination; I tried to visualize some faces and my mind could only project crude shapes. As the euphoria faded from that hit, I fell asleep.
This morning I had the idea to try again, this time with some loud drum and bass. I vaped 8mg, sat down, closed my eyes and focused on the bassline, letting the UR-144 take me where it would. The first time, I fought it a little, thinking "hey, this is not what cannas are supposed to feel like..." 60 seconds later, I had a wide grin as the sonic amplification of the bassline was almost too much to bear. Certain notes felt like they were tickling my brain. 5 minutes later, the rush was over.
My GF, however, refuses to hit the stuff even in small doses after her 4mg experience this morning. She described being unable to focus on the movie we were watching, instead being drawn into a very dark and violent movie her mind had created, then coming back and finding out only a few seconds had passed. She had no idea who I was when she looked at me, and she said had there been a gun or sharp object around, she may have used it. She is a regular cannabis user and has taken mushrooms many times without a bad trip.
One thing I should add is that we polished off ~3g each of 4-MEC and mushrooms between us the day before we started the UR-144. I'm not sure if we still had metabolites in our system from those that affected our research
My opinion on this compound is that it is a more complete cannabis high than RSC-4 at low doses for sure. At moderate doses, it is pretty intense, almost psychedelic. At high does...well, maybe I'll have something to post about that next week. I have samples of sts 135 and a 834,735 coming also, so I will try and get reports on those synthnoids up ASAP.
Jesusgreen
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Does anyone else get opioid like effects from AM-2201?
I've been smoking a lot more of it this past week since I'm dealing with an MDMA hangover that was a little on the tougher side due to me overdoing it a bit.
My pupils are constantly constricted (this might be a result of the MDMA hangover, but I've noticed this before with AM-2201 so..), my breathing seems depressed, in combination with alcohol I've actually managed to "nod out" just the same as I would from opioids.
It's really weird because Cannabis itself, along with JWH-073 and JWH-081 never did anything remotely like this, and I don't have much experience with them but I don't recall AM-694 or AM-2233 doing it either.
I've been smoking a lot more of it this past week since I'm dealing with an MDMA hangover that was a little on the tougher side due to me overdoing it a bit.
My pupils are constantly constricted (this might be a result of the MDMA hangover, but I've noticed this before with AM-2201 so..), my breathing seems depressed, in combination with alcohol I've actually managed to "nod out" just the same as I would from opioids.
It's really weird because Cannabis itself, along with JWH-073 and JWH-081 never did anything remotely like this, and I don't have much experience with them but I don't recall AM-694 or AM-2233 doing it either.
Clobbersaurus
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Very interesting, thanks for your input. I guess now I have to place an order of something new this week to get the free 5F-UR144 sample and compare it to what I have.
Chainer
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I did slightly, but never ever noticed anything even close to messing with my pupils.
Also, I've experienced severely depressed breathing and nodded out on JWH-201, 250, 073+081 and alcohol. Especially if you put some of the powder in a shot glass and down it, I've had some scares in the past and pounded red bull to stay awake.
bayhead415
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I have to disagree a little bit. If you have a doctor you trust or spend good time in finding a doctor and making sure he is trustworthy it should be fine to talk about present/past/future drug use and maybe even helpful for you to keep healthy and the doctor know how to treat you. Hell I spend half the time talking to my psychiatrist and pain management doctor about the drugs prescribed and what dose I should be taking at this point. To even make it clear why that's something significant I am using oxymorphone and hydrocodone now and easily went from 5/500 or 300 mg to 10/325 mg due to the tylonal being excessivly difficult. Hell if I wanted I could change to the oxymorphone ER at 10-15 mg although I am not because I want the least addictive medication out of the opiates, but also acceptably effective...
He even knows I used to insufflate them for self medication to keep the dose low as I was buying them from a friend of a friend (still can too if I want roxis) and sometimes recreation at night and even that I used psychedelics and still do. Although he is an awesome PM doctor who studies in eastern and western medicine and can even refer to psychedelics as teachers with respect. I did spend some time finding him and even dealing with other synthetic opiates that caused the worst opiate dependancies in my life so far to prove that not only do I know my medications, but that I am willing to try their medications up to the point I know it is becoming a problem. It is only because I have gone through a lot of stress and time causing me to lose my job to show I am responsible with my drug use and shouldn't be restricted from any and all drug use (even cannabis) except pharmaceutical prescribed medications like various benzos or even respirdol because my parents say so as they still help me a lot financial if not most all at the age 21. Really only because they have undermined me for about 5 years now because I smoked cannabis as well as probably a lot in the past for not being good as my successful fraternal twin siblings.
I will also make it clear I know I do not need anything like risperdal or haldol and honestly feel the closest I ever was to death was when I was forcibly injected with 5 mg IM haldol in the butt for refusing consent to take ativan because I requested time to calm down as another treatment plan rather than addictive medication that caused mental clouding, which is not what I needed in my situation which was an involuntary hospital hold that my parents called for to asses my mental state. This was also after getting 2 norcos in the doctors word "To feel GOOOOoOoOoOOoOod." This even could have been the problem as there is a black label warning that mixing haldol with drugs that depress the respitory symptom is not a good idea. I started having difficulty breathing very shortly after the injection that was not even bandaged any maybe even not steralized. In the end they used that as an excuse to inject me with the haldol I clearly said "I do not consent to the ativan" because of the problems the drug they injected me caused. In the end I believe to cover their ass they labled me as possibly psychotic only to force me through another hospital stay where they continued to ignore me and do whatever they could to give me a bullshit label of Depressive disorder based off "Cannabis induced-effective syndrome" (essentially the cannabis induced psychotic episode with my parents caused depression or something along that) and finally marijuana dependency. It was complete bullshit though as I did not smoke for 6 hours before the fight and I have been a medical patient for 2 years and even smoked for 3 at the time without ANY psychotic, paranoid, or delusion inducing effect. It was a total load of crock to keep me as long as they can while charging my insurance and protecting themselves from a lawsuit for the CLEAR violation of my rights even under the law they used to bring me in.
I will admit this hospital situation became bullshit because I admitted to useing a psychedlic "like MDMA" a few days earlier only to be labeled with possibly taking too many "psychodelics" within 30 minutes of leaving work and walking home to meet with my parents. Although I only did because my parents told the police they knew I was on drugs, but they did not know what just that I use medicinal cannabis. As well as they litterally physically restrained me from leaving their house to return to my grandfathers so I could cool down and recollect because I came to the family house screaming at them without being threatening. The whole entire scenario was completly ignored and they fabricated a story that I thought cannabis contributed to paranoid delusional statements about my parents, that I hurt myself, I was suicidal and planning to kill myself vs. what I actual thought which was that I wish I was dead or never born, and finally that I claim that my parents repeatedly beat me as kids and that I had a back injury because my dad dropped me vs. my fathers over excessive spanking and lashing of the belt one time because I refused to go to school because of the anxiety caused by the social rejection I dealt with every day at that school on my own as well as injuring my back on a waterside, which was not even mentioned once. This is probably one of the only situations you really have to worry about getting fucked over by talking to doctors when they are trying to trick someone else into paying for unneeded treatment by confirming suspicions that aren't reality being that drugs are the problem and not their refusal of communication and acceptance of what happened in the past including the physical violence they brought into my life constantly. Seriously whats easier for a doctor to do convince the people that are paying them that they are wrong for the sake of the person they are treating, or confirm whatever the parents want to believe whether it is true or not.
Really though if you talk to your own doctor you will not have a problem if you admit you made a mistake using too much and you want to get better. Honestly synth cannabanoids are a horrid cannabis replacement as many are meant to bind as long as possibly and even sometimes permanently causing overload after a point or even if regular cannabis is used. I honestly think that at this point you NEED to tell the doctors so they do not start labeling you with genetic disorders or other things that you don't really have. If they know what has happened to you they will better be able to help you and if not than they will be wasting time trying to figure stuff out that you could easily just tell them.
It may be difficult especially because of the feelings the synth cannabanoids cause, but try working with one doctor at a time to build trust if you don't have a doctor you trust to talk about enough. Most doctors will not treat you badly for admitting that you made a mistake and need help to fix it as that is what they are there to do. The only reason they will look down upon you is when they are first judging you and if you continue to do what you are claiming you dont want to use. I never have had a problem talking to my doctors about my drug use (although it is pretty minor even though it is extensive or at least when I compare it to others). It is all a matter of presenting yourself as someone who is responsible and working to become knowledgeable about their body and what they put into it. At this point honestly what do you have to lose? If a doctor labels you as an abuser just find a new one and don't give him permission to talk to the last doctor if they ask. Still I doubt you will be labeled as an abuser unless you are currently abusing a drug and ignore his requests to stop. You will be labeled as an addict if you attempt to stop and just can't control yourself and relapse.
The only problem is synth cannabanoids are new plus who knows if you knew exactly how much and which ones you where using. Most doctors may not know about it or how it acts. Still they will be the ones with the knowledge, resources, and time to research it to help their patients. I would definitively recommend a psychiatrist of some sort specifically as you want someone who is knowledgeable in neurology.
He even knows I used to insufflate them for self medication to keep the dose low as I was buying them from a friend of a friend (still can too if I want roxis) and sometimes recreation at night and even that I used psychedelics and still do. Although he is an awesome PM doctor who studies in eastern and western medicine and can even refer to psychedelics as teachers with respect. I did spend some time finding him and even dealing with other synthetic opiates that caused the worst opiate dependancies in my life so far to prove that not only do I know my medications, but that I am willing to try their medications up to the point I know it is becoming a problem. It is only because I have gone through a lot of stress and time causing me to lose my job to show I am responsible with my drug use and shouldn't be restricted from any and all drug use (even cannabis) except pharmaceutical prescribed medications like various benzos or even respirdol because my parents say so as they still help me a lot financial if not most all at the age 21. Really only because they have undermined me for about 5 years now because I smoked cannabis as well as probably a lot in the past for not being good as my successful fraternal twin siblings.
I will also make it clear I know I do not need anything like risperdal or haldol and honestly feel the closest I ever was to death was when I was forcibly injected with 5 mg IM haldol in the butt for refusing consent to take ativan because I requested time to calm down as another treatment plan rather than addictive medication that caused mental clouding, which is not what I needed in my situation which was an involuntary hospital hold that my parents called for to asses my mental state. This was also after getting 2 norcos in the doctors word "To feel GOOOOoOoOoOOoOod." This even could have been the problem as there is a black label warning that mixing haldol with drugs that depress the respitory symptom is not a good idea. I started having difficulty breathing very shortly after the injection that was not even bandaged any maybe even not steralized. In the end they used that as an excuse to inject me with the haldol I clearly said "I do not consent to the ativan" because of the problems the drug they injected me caused. In the end I believe to cover their ass they labled me as possibly psychotic only to force me through another hospital stay where they continued to ignore me and do whatever they could to give me a bullshit label of Depressive disorder based off "Cannabis induced-effective syndrome" (essentially the cannabis induced psychotic episode with my parents caused depression or something along that) and finally marijuana dependency. It was complete bullshit though as I did not smoke for 6 hours before the fight and I have been a medical patient for 2 years and even smoked for 3 at the time without ANY psychotic, paranoid, or delusion inducing effect. It was a total load of crock to keep me as long as they can while charging my insurance and protecting themselves from a lawsuit for the CLEAR violation of my rights even under the law they used to bring me in.
I will admit this hospital situation became bullshit because I admitted to useing a psychedlic "like MDMA" a few days earlier only to be labeled with possibly taking too many "psychodelics" within 30 minutes of leaving work and walking home to meet with my parents. Although I only did because my parents told the police they knew I was on drugs, but they did not know what just that I use medicinal cannabis. As well as they litterally physically restrained me from leaving their house to return to my grandfathers so I could cool down and recollect because I came to the family house screaming at them without being threatening. The whole entire scenario was completly ignored and they fabricated a story that I thought cannabis contributed to paranoid delusional statements about my parents, that I hurt myself, I was suicidal and planning to kill myself vs. what I actual thought which was that I wish I was dead or never born, and finally that I claim that my parents repeatedly beat me as kids and that I had a back injury because my dad dropped me vs. my fathers over excessive spanking and lashing of the belt one time because I refused to go to school because of the anxiety caused by the social rejection I dealt with every day at that school on my own as well as injuring my back on a waterside, which was not even mentioned once. This is probably one of the only situations you really have to worry about getting fucked over by talking to doctors when they are trying to trick someone else into paying for unneeded treatment by confirming suspicions that aren't reality being that drugs are the problem and not their refusal of communication and acceptance of what happened in the past including the physical violence they brought into my life constantly. Seriously whats easier for a doctor to do convince the people that are paying them that they are wrong for the sake of the person they are treating, or confirm whatever the parents want to believe whether it is true or not.
Really though if you talk to your own doctor you will not have a problem if you admit you made a mistake using too much and you want to get better. Honestly synth cannabanoids are a horrid cannabis replacement as many are meant to bind as long as possibly and even sometimes permanently causing overload after a point or even if regular cannabis is used. I honestly think that at this point you NEED to tell the doctors so they do not start labeling you with genetic disorders or other things that you don't really have. If they know what has happened to you they will better be able to help you and if not than they will be wasting time trying to figure stuff out that you could easily just tell them.
It may be difficult especially because of the feelings the synth cannabanoids cause, but try working with one doctor at a time to build trust if you don't have a doctor you trust to talk about enough. Most doctors will not treat you badly for admitting that you made a mistake and need help to fix it as that is what they are there to do. The only reason they will look down upon you is when they are first judging you and if you continue to do what you are claiming you dont want to use. I never have had a problem talking to my doctors about my drug use (although it is pretty minor even though it is extensive or at least when I compare it to others). It is all a matter of presenting yourself as someone who is responsible and working to become knowledgeable about their body and what they put into it. At this point honestly what do you have to lose? If a doctor labels you as an abuser just find a new one and don't give him permission to talk to the last doctor if they ask. Still I doubt you will be labeled as an abuser unless you are currently abusing a drug and ignore his requests to stop. You will be labeled as an addict if you attempt to stop and just can't control yourself and relapse.
The only problem is synth cannabanoids are new plus who knows if you knew exactly how much and which ones you where using. Most doctors may not know about it or how it acts. Still they will be the ones with the knowledge, resources, and time to research it to help their patients. I would definitively recommend a psychiatrist of some sort specifically as you want someone who is knowledgeable in neurology.
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Id like to post an update on my progress. I ate a hamburger last night which was the first real bit of food ive been able to keep down since ceasing the synthetics. This in a way jump started my metabolism, and since then ive gained much of my appetite back. Its been probably 8 or 9 days since my last bit of Jr. I am glad I switched to ur instead of 5f prior to quitting as this made the withdrawals more managable (extremely valuable info I wish I had earlier). I feel ur 144 and 5f ur aren't very active orally, so weaning via that route wasn't an option. A friend suggested after the fact that I try to bind it to a fatty acid to help it cross the blood brain barrier, but im not willing to injest any more to test this theory. So far the mental cravings have all but subsided, which makes me think my addiction to the stuff was mainly physical.
I hope this experience/information helps people who are going through something similar, and that I suffered so others don't have to. I feel kind of like a pioneer.,
Because I know people will be searching for the same things I was while in the depths of withdrawal I'm going to type a couple tags and phrases that I unsuccessfully put into google numerous times in hopes of finding the experiences I'm now posting,
Jwh, synthetic cannabanoid, ur-144, 5f-ur-144, withdrawal, ease, relief, help, nausea, how long, cb2 agonist,
Lets hope people unfamiliar with bluelight can find this and learn that they aren't alone and that things indeed do get better.
I hope this experience/information helps people who are going through something similar, and that I suffered so others don't have to. I feel kind of like a pioneer.,
Because I know people will be searching for the same things I was while in the depths of withdrawal I'm going to type a couple tags and phrases that I unsuccessfully put into google numerous times in hopes of finding the experiences I'm now posting,
Jwh, synthetic cannabanoid, ur-144, 5f-ur-144, withdrawal, ease, relief, help, nausea, how long, cb2 agonist,
Lets hope people unfamiliar with bluelight can find this and learn that they aren't alone and that things indeed do get better.
I've dissolved ur144 in hot olive oil (microwaved it). And I can affirm here and now that it is active orally, very active if I may.
You could taper with oral doses. I guess It is more convenient when tapering. With this ROA the high lasts for hours. In any case, measure your dose carefully. Oral administration is not a game, once overdosed you stay that way for
several hours, not just 15 minutes as with smoking it.
You could taper with oral doses. I guess It is more convenient when tapering. With this ROA the high lasts for hours. In any case, measure your dose carefully. Oral administration is not a game, once overdosed you stay that way for
several hours, not just 15 minutes as with smoking it.
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That is awesome! I'm gonna tell my friend he was right. At the end I was incapable of creating an overwhelming experience with vaping, despite constantly trying. This doesn't mean oral dozing shouldn't be treated with the utmost respect. How would you say oral doses binder to fatty acids compare to a vaped dose? I think with oral it would be easier to manage ones use while attempting a taper.
Ok so I'm here today seeking answers about how to recover from a bad experience smoking synthetic bud . Here's basically what happended to me the day I smoked it' & what I've been goin thru for the past almost 2 months & since smoking it oncr for the 1st time . . Well I smoked like a half of like a 0.5 gram blunt with my boy and I swea immediatly after putting the roach out I felt fuckin weird! Like my vision was off to where I saw doubles, my heart was beating crazy fast, nd it felt like I wasn't even breathing! About 4 hours after the anxious scary feelin wore off & I started to calm down. After the crazy high went away my head jus felt groggy (like in adream state) & at random times my heart would race as well as trouble breathing. To this day at random times I the same feelings minus groggy head . I went the hospital twice because I smoked real bud nd it triggered the anxiety attack feeling nd the doc told me to let my body heal because Receptors in my brain are blown which is causing this to happen.
What I'm basically to find out is what can I do to reverse these symptoms , what vitamins I should be taking to repair my receptors & the dosages I should be taking.
I just really wanna be able to socially drink & smoke weed without feeling like I'm gunna have a damn heart attack ;/! Plz email/post in the forum for any helpful suggestions u have. It would be highly appreciated since the doc has no legit answers for me ..
What I'm basically to find out is what can I do to reverse these symptoms , what vitamins I should be taking to repair my receptors & the dosages I should be taking.
I just really wanna be able to socially drink & smoke weed without feeling like I'm gunna have a damn heart attack ;/! Plz email/post in the forum for any helpful suggestions u have. It would be highly appreciated since the doc has no legit answers for me ..
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I really truly wish I could give you some answers brother. I am actually extremely surprised by how sound the advice your doctor gave you is. I think giving your body more time to recover is your best bet. Like you admitted yourself, weed makes the symptoms worse, therefor logically it makes sense to try to avoid it atleast until you see an overall improvement in how you feel. I know how hard this can be, and I'm very sorry this is taking from your ability to enjoy old faithful as I like to call it.
As for your friend I really wish people would stop doing this. Smoking Someone up for the first time on a half gram of any thing is irresponsible, let alone a potent brand new synthetic that is known to create long lasting negative experiences in first time users.
I wish I could do more for you, my experience is more in the addiction/recovery aspect of the drug.
As for your friend I really wish people would stop doing this. Smoking Someone up for the first time on a half gram of any thing is irresponsible, let alone a potent brand new synthetic that is known to create long lasting negative experiences in first time users.
I wish I could do more for you, my experience is more in the addiction/recovery aspect of the drug.
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