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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3
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Chocolate-Salad
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Anyone know the vape temp on ur-144?
Well I was gonna send it via PM but Coco you got a full Box Mang
Anyhow in my smoke drops recipe the 144 is easy to vape off the cheapest e cig
I got at crap mart & that pos worked fine certainly under 350 f
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You're right! it just bother's me that a noid e-liquid such as this is more of a suspension. It takes a lot of work to get even a little to dissolve, but it still works.
Thing is, I've noticed that 5f/ur leaves a sort of gooey liquid resin. Is this a byproduct of vaporizing at too high of a temperature or is it just the noids in non crystalline form? Not that I'd want to smoke it, the thought of that actually scares me. I'm just worried about the build up of an unknown substance in my vg.
Also, lcr, does this resin tend to ruin your cartos? I'm just curious.
First off it will dissolve easily for you If first you add a ml of grain alcohol-Shake itup& Then add the pg or glycerine for your base. I like the manual e-cigs cause you can't ruin the element-The manuals all have a flat lil' hot plate vape area-No hole to fill with liquid & short out. Check out the Joy 510 manual, they won't ever short out
Try the grain alcohol, like .010 gram noid (up to .040gr total noids if ya dare) mix with 1 ml grain alcohol & shake till dissolved- Add 5 ml pg and some flavor if you desire, 2ml pg based flavor or 1ml tasty puff. now vape off your e-cig-In Public & watch the smiles!
Be careful, 1 drop can easily equal 2 bowls of smoke. Just take 2 puffs & put the e-cig down for ten minutes or an hour
My smoke drops recipe works as well or better than the vapor-daze.seeohm does Plus 1gr of noids will make over 100- 3ml bottles of smoke drops!
I only use 1ml of grain alcohol, just enuf to dissolve the noid(s) in, then I add my base, usaually PG (propylene glycol) for smoke drops & grain alcohol for my blend making supplies drops, cause I likes it this way. I will not insist you try my way, but folks who have experience a revelation when the difficult to dissolve just dissolved...I mean I got's me a sweet old, beat-up magnetic mixer that never gets tired, just don't use it much since my p-nut butter(noids) met the chocolate (grain alcohol)
Now put your base in a big zip lock baggy. I like a cup of marshmellow to 1/2 cup of damiana & less than 1/2 cup of mullein (unless you enjoy xtra coughing) to spice it up mebbe a lil blue lotus (only the blue flowers) I cut them up so just adds a color--Now the smoke drops, I like to make up several to many dif noid drops, that way I can discover the full effect of each... Anyhow I add 10 drops of each of my 4-6 dif drops just starting at the front of the bag & moving along to the rear, do the same with the remaining drops, just slowly dripping each of your selections into the bag, now add a flavor, same 10 drops of tasty puff or 20 drops of a pg based flavor, Seal The baggy & Shake it, after you shake it good I like to really knead the blend around a lil & then when thoroughly mixed, open the bag & por the contents out on a paper plate & allow the alcohol to evaporate. If not strong e-nuf well back in bag, for more drops, & I just saved money on acetone cause one drop is very strong, I have the same bottle of grain alcohol I bought months ago not to mention the mixing & evaporation... I mean the lack of- heh heh
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Hehe that's how I was already doing it, but with vg instead of pg. None of the local pharmacies carried pg and the farm feed stores didn't know what I was talking about. After I would dissolve the alcohol out of the mixture (since I assumed it was a bad idea to be inhaling alcohol) some of the noids would precipitate back into the vg. The ur-144/5f give's a sort of chemical-flowery flavoring. With the addition of vanilla flavoring it hasn't been too bad.
The cartos I'm using hold only like 1/3-1/2ml at a time, so 10mg isn't enough. The high concentration (20mg/ml) may be my problem.
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Hey guys, sorry if this has been mentioned but I did a quick search and didn't find anything.
Anyhoo a m8 of mine started smoke synthetic weed about 9 months ago as he was getting tested at work so could no longer smoke the natural stuff. Over Xmas he had a seizure while out on the street, he became quiet violent (not like him) while he was out of it and was arrested then admitted to hospital. They did the usual MRI ect and didn't find anything but treated him for alcohol withdrawal as he does like a drink (5-6 cans of lager a night) but he didn't tell them about the synthetic weed. He was released a few days later and since has cut right back on the booze but still smokes the synthetic weed.
His girlfriend called me today to say he had another seizure in the night. She heard him falling about at around 5am, trying to force his way outside, kicking the front door after falling down the stairs. He again got quite violent and the police and ambulance were called and he was admitted again. She said he had only had 2 cans of lager but as he hasn't told the hospital he is smoking this stuff they are still just thinking alcohol withdrawal. She said the hospital are saying he is very agitated. I'm going to go and see him tomorrow and try and talk him into being honest with the doctors or maybe just tell them regardless. It's crazy not being honest with them.
My question is though has anyone suffered similar effects? I love my weed but have never smoked this stuff. He was buying it at a head shop in Leyton. For the life of me I can't remember the name of it. Any help, advice much appreciated.
Edit: His girlfriend just texted me to say the names of them are Maryjoy Warning , Abyss, not sure if they are all pretty much the same product.
Anyhoo a m8 of mine started smoke synthetic weed about 9 months ago as he was getting tested at work so could no longer smoke the natural stuff. Over Xmas he had a seizure while out on the street, he became quiet violent (not like him) while he was out of it and was arrested then admitted to hospital. They did the usual MRI ect and didn't find anything but treated him for alcohol withdrawal as he does like a drink (5-6 cans of lager a night) but he didn't tell them about the synthetic weed. He was released a few days later and since has cut right back on the booze but still smokes the synthetic weed.
His girlfriend called me today to say he had another seizure in the night. She heard him falling about at around 5am, trying to force his way outside, kicking the front door after falling down the stairs. He again got quite violent and the police and ambulance were called and he was admitted again. She said he had only had 2 cans of lager but as he hasn't told the hospital he is smoking this stuff they are still just thinking alcohol withdrawal. She said the hospital are saying he is very agitated. I'm going to go and see him tomorrow and try and talk him into being honest with the doctors or maybe just tell them regardless. It's crazy not being honest with them.
My question is though has anyone suffered similar effects? I love my weed but have never smoked this stuff. He was buying it at a head shop in Leyton. For the life of me I can't remember the name of it. Any help, advice much appreciated.
Edit: His girlfriend just texted me to say the names of them are Maryjoy Warning , Abyss, not sure if they are all pretty much the same product.
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He'll prolly have a tough week of withdrawls from the noids he has been taking. Won't be near as bad as alcohol dt's tho
N0 W4RN1NG
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^ AKB-48 is great, very stoney, not much in the head dept. It's big brother, 5F-AKB48, is superior, if not a little bit shorter. Both are over an hour.
They work best mixed at 1:1 ratio. 5F-AKB48 is very good with the URs, as well. AKB-48 is more of a 'mixer', while 5F-AKB48 is an adequate 'stand alone'.
Anyone have info on PB-22\5F-PB22?
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AKB-48 is one of my favourites. It doesn't have the tendency to put me to sleep like a lot of other cannabinoids do. 5F-AKB-48 is stronger dose-wise, and initially has a strong rush but relaxes to a heavy stone.
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Is there somewhere that lists the synth. canniboids and lists their effects?
Hi Everyone,
There are so many different types of "herbal incense" smoking blends out there and they all seem to vary in the effect they have. I have smoked quite a few different brands and some were VERY strong, some were heavy, some were buzzy - you get the point.
Anyway, is there a website or does anyone know a list of the synth canniboids that ARE legal (and could potentially be used in these blends) with a description of the effects / chemical name (ex: effects full canniboid receptor, or just 1/2. very intense, weak etc...)
I figure since these are all research chemicals we are smoking we should maybe do a little more research, lol.
For myself though I am just rather curious as to 'what maybe" I am smoking - I know that even with a list of 'effects' there is no way to know what you are actually smoking unless a sample was sent in for analyses - which would be costly! lol.
Anyone else interested in this sort of thing?
Hi Everyone,
There are so many different types of "herbal incense" smoking blends out there and they all seem to vary in the effect they have. I have smoked quite a few different brands and some were VERY strong, some were heavy, some were buzzy - you get the point.
Anyway, is there a website or does anyone know a list of the synth canniboids that ARE legal (and could potentially be used in these blends) with a description of the effects / chemical name (ex: effects full canniboid receptor, or just 1/2. very intense, weak etc...)
I figure since these are all research chemicals we are smoking we should maybe do a little more research, lol.
For myself though I am just rather curious as to 'what maybe" I am smoking - I know that even with a list of 'effects' there is no way to know what you are actually smoking unless a sample was sent in for analyses - which would be costly! lol.
Anyone else interested in this sort of thing?
N0 W4RN1NG
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^ Some compounds have 'worse' munchies than others, but once you get a mild tolerance to these synthetic agonists the 'intensity' of these side effects (munchies, dry mouth, red eye) goes away and you don't feel them any stronger than you would with real weed.
After the first week or two you'll be fine - I've been smoking synthetics regularly for nearly three years now (never blends, always pure chemicals vaporized) and I haven't had any side effects that I wouldn't from the real deal for as long as I can remember.
N0 W4RN1NG
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Don't smoke store-bought blends.
You wanna know about which cannabinoids are hot on the market right now, in US\UK areas?
5F-AKB48\AKB-48
UR-144\5F-UR144
They're all legal, and they get the job done. They're probably what's in your blends. (unless AM-2201 is still legal in the UK? If it is, then you're probably getting a lot of that crap...sorry)
The URs are pretty cerebral (5F variant too much so) with shortish effects and no real side effects.
The AKBs (and the related STS-135\2NE1) tend to have more side effects, although in specific populations. They also have a better, more thorough and long lasting high.
I use 5F-AKB48, UR-144 and MN-18 on a daily basis, both medicinally and recreationally. No ill effects to report of here - although I never smoke blends, I only use the pure chemicals.
Before JWH-122 was banned, that was my go-to cannabinoid, but that's not on the shelves anymore.
Before JWH-018\073 were banned, those were my "go-to"s, in combination.
If you have any more specific questions, feel free to ask, I'm kind of a synthetic cannabinoid connoisseur. As far as making a list of all cannabinoids and effects goes - it would be quite lengthy, and most of it would be obsolete, since the vast majority of the 'oldies' are now either explicitly illegal, or subjectively so under an analogue clause.
I'll give you a quick run down of what's available today though:
MAM-2201: Potent, and long lasting. A stoned-ness in the forehead is present, but some 'rushing' as well, although nowhere nearly as much (and that's a good thing) as it's para-demethylated predecessor, AM-2201.
AKB-48: Stoney, almost exclusively so. Long lasting, not quite as potent as I would like. Similar to JWH-073 or JWH-200.
5F-AKB48 Stoney and uplifting, a bit shorter than it's unfluorinated sister but more potent in exchange. The superior of the two, IMO.
UR-144: Cerebral and soaring. Similar to JWH-250, in both effects and duration.
5F-UR144: All of the negatives of AM-2201 with none of the 'fun'. Very short(20mins), a kind of disorienting paranoid express ride in futility. VERY potent, however, and cheap - which is why I imagine commercial blends seem to have gotten even shittier. Quite good though (in TINY amounts) as a mixer with others, like AKB-48.
STS-135: Light. Hard to tell...I haven't run any PET tests obviously but if I had to hazard a guess, this one would be a partial agonist. Feels as if somethings missing. Large amounts don't counter this - rather they only add to the alienation. Miles better than 5F-UR144, but still not my favorite. Some people enjoy it, however.
MN-18: A little less potent, and a little shorter, than JWH-122. Otherwise, really itches that same spot. Unfortunately, tolerance seems to rise a lot quicker to this than with the oldies - best left to a once in a while thing.
You wanna know about which cannabinoids are hot on the market right now, in US\UK areas?
5F-AKB48\AKB-48
UR-144\5F-UR144
They're all legal, and they get the job done. They're probably what's in your blends. (unless AM-2201 is still legal in the UK? If it is, then you're probably getting a lot of that crap...sorry)
The URs are pretty cerebral (5F variant too much so) with shortish effects and no real side effects.
The AKBs (and the related STS-135\2NE1) tend to have more side effects, although in specific populations. They also have a better, more thorough and long lasting high.
I use 5F-AKB48, UR-144 and MN-18 on a daily basis, both medicinally and recreationally. No ill effects to report of here - although I never smoke blends, I only use the pure chemicals.
Before JWH-122 was banned, that was my go-to cannabinoid, but that's not on the shelves anymore.
Before JWH-018\073 were banned, those were my "go-to"s, in combination.
If you have any more specific questions, feel free to ask, I'm kind of a synthetic cannabinoid connoisseur. As far as making a list of all cannabinoids and effects goes - it would be quite lengthy, and most of it would be obsolete, since the vast majority of the 'oldies' are now either explicitly illegal, or subjectively so under an analogue clause.
I'll give you a quick run down of what's available today though:
MAM-2201: Potent, and long lasting. A stoned-ness in the forehead is present, but some 'rushing' as well, although nowhere nearly as much (and that's a good thing) as it's para-demethylated predecessor, AM-2201.
AKB-48: Stoney, almost exclusively so. Long lasting, not quite as potent as I would like. Similar to JWH-073 or JWH-200.
5F-AKB48 Stoney and uplifting, a bit shorter than it's unfluorinated sister but more potent in exchange. The superior of the two, IMO.
UR-144: Cerebral and soaring. Similar to JWH-250, in both effects and duration.
5F-UR144: All of the negatives of AM-2201 with none of the 'fun'. Very short(20mins), a kind of disorienting paranoid express ride in futility. VERY potent, however, and cheap - which is why I imagine commercial blends seem to have gotten even shittier. Quite good though (in TINY amounts) as a mixer with others, like AKB-48.
STS-135: Light. Hard to tell...I haven't run any PET tests obviously but if I had to hazard a guess, this one would be a partial agonist. Feels as if somethings missing. Large amounts don't counter this - rather they only add to the alienation. Miles better than 5F-UR144, but still not my favorite. Some people enjoy it, however.
MN-18: A little less potent, and a little shorter, than JWH-122. Otherwise, really itches that same spot. Unfortunately, tolerance seems to rise a lot quicker to this than with the oldies - best left to a once in a while thing.
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I have experience with JWH (018, 250 and some others) and AM-2201 So I figured I get on board with this thread.
I also recently had the idea of EATING synthetic cannabinoids then smoking weed, so that the synths are more like a "booster" instead of being the main drug. My plan is to maybe save money on Cannabis by cutting down on usage by making it stronger via cheap cannabinoids in my stomach. Thoughts?
I also recently had the idea of EATING synthetic cannabinoids then smoking weed, so that the synths are more like a "booster" instead of being the main drug. My plan is to maybe save money on Cannabis by cutting down on usage by making it stronger via cheap cannabinoids in my stomach. Thoughts?
David the Chansey
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I've eaten cannabinoids a few times. Dosing is incredibly difficult because it is tolerance dependent.
If you want to save money, just sprinkle a little cannabinoid with the weed. A little goes a loooooong way.
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@ N0 W4RN1NG , Thanks for the AWESOME response!!! Very informative!!! I live in Canada and I am quite sure (based on what I have read) that AM-2011 is still legal here as are the others you listed.
I had seen AM-2011 advertised when I was just browsing the net once and I wondered if some of the herbal blends I get contained that.
I just went to a new headshop the other day and picked up a pack of this 'new' stuff they were carrying and WOW was it strong. One hit off the pipe and it really hit you.. strong only needed a pinch... so I thought - Yesterday after taking my dog for a walk (I power walk) I sat down to relax and literally sprinkled a pinch (like 6 little leaves (leaves were the size of oregano) and I was TOOOOO high - I was on the verge of losing it, everything was heavy and disoriented, kinda like I was walking in a bubble. I chugged some chocolate milk (I convinced myself it would help me feel better) and then I went out side to play with my dog as I couldn't stand to be inside.
I timed it this time (and this is actually what got me to write this post in the 1st place), and here's how the timing went. 10:05am Smoked my pinch in a bowl felt it immediately and it kept getting stronger by 10:07 TOOO high, heading outside to play with dog hoping that will maintain my sanity (my husband was still sleeping so I didn't want to wake him up unless I was REALLY freaking out - which has only happened twice - and both times were on ONLY 1 hit off the pipe (bigger hit though) and holding it in for a bit. Both were diff 'brands' obviously potent stuff - NOT A GOOD TIME - HEART felt likes it was gonna exlplode (probably from the intense panic) and it felt like I was being sucked into a bubble very disorienting- duration is short THANK GOODNESS) - - - - ANYWAY back to yesterday, so it's 10:07 and I'm REALLY uncomfortably high - I can take deep breaths and calm myself, and it felt good when I took the deep breaths, the way to high feeling came in waves (it was always there, but the intensity was in waves). It was very disorientating kinda like I was spinning in a bubble but staying still. At 10:13 I was still VERY high but the insanity high part was passing and now I was just really F***ed up, still disoriented but feeling better knowing I was on my way back down. Pretty much exactly 1 hour after smoking it - I was back to sober.
I have smoked it since then and I haven't had a bad experience, my husband and I mixed it with some smokable herbs (like lavender or some shit - it have NO chemicals in it). It's like this stuff was a super concentrate!
There is no other option here other than to buy blends, you can't just go in the store and ask for some "5F-AKB48", lol. Only option is the internet but I just don't trust that I'm actually going to get what I order. Then the issue what to do with it when I got it would be a whole different adventure - I never really though about it...obviously we can't really talk about what would be done with it (I think it's against forum rules
even though it's legal"ish" stuff, lol)...but I assume people that get the raw synth canniboid chems they just make their own smoking blend.
I had seen AM-2011 advertised when I was just browsing the net once and I wondered if some of the herbal blends I get contained that.
I just went to a new headshop the other day and picked up a pack of this 'new' stuff they were carrying and WOW was it strong. One hit off the pipe and it really hit you.. strong only needed a pinch... so I thought - Yesterday after taking my dog for a walk (I power walk) I sat down to relax and literally sprinkled a pinch (like 6 little leaves (leaves were the size of oregano) and I was TOOOOO high - I was on the verge of losing it, everything was heavy and disoriented, kinda like I was walking in a bubble. I chugged some chocolate milk (I convinced myself it would help me feel better) and then I went out side to play with my dog as I couldn't stand to be inside.
I timed it this time (and this is actually what got me to write this post in the 1st place), and here's how the timing went. 10:05am Smoked my pinch in a bowl felt it immediately and it kept getting stronger by 10:07 TOOO high, heading outside to play with dog hoping that will maintain my sanity (my husband was still sleeping so I didn't want to wake him up unless I was REALLY freaking out - which has only happened twice - and both times were on ONLY 1 hit off the pipe (bigger hit though) and holding it in for a bit. Both were diff 'brands' obviously potent stuff - NOT A GOOD TIME - HEART felt likes it was gonna exlplode (probably from the intense panic) and it felt like I was being sucked into a bubble very disorienting- duration is short THANK GOODNESS) - - - - ANYWAY back to yesterday, so it's 10:07 and I'm REALLY uncomfortably high - I can take deep breaths and calm myself, and it felt good when I took the deep breaths, the way to high feeling came in waves (it was always there, but the intensity was in waves). It was very disorientating kinda like I was spinning in a bubble but staying still. At 10:13 I was still VERY high but the insanity high part was passing and now I was just really F***ed up, still disoriented but feeling better knowing I was on my way back down. Pretty much exactly 1 hour after smoking it - I was back to sober.
I have smoked it since then and I haven't had a bad experience, my husband and I mixed it with some smokable herbs (like lavender or some shit - it have NO chemicals in it). It's like this stuff was a super concentrate!
There is no other option here other than to buy blends, you can't just go in the store and ask for some "5F-AKB48", lol. Only option is the internet but I just don't trust that I'm actually going to get what I order. Then the issue what to do with it when I got it would be a whole different adventure - I never really though about it...obviously we can't really talk about what would be done with it (I think it's against forum rules
even though it's legal"ish" stuff, lol)...but I assume people that get the raw synth canniboid chems they just make their own smoking blend.- Status