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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

I sometimes feel like it depends on where I am in life on how my high is gonna feel. If i'm down in the dumps and I got shit to take care of and I shouldn't be smoking.. then my high is gonna consist of me constantly thinking about these things and I develop anxiety. If everything is good and I'm where I wanna be.. then my high can put me in the perfect bliss.

If that makes sense..
 
I think we are missing the big point in threads like these. The real question to address here is why experienced smokers suddenly become terrified with what by now should be familiar grounds for them.

I mean, there has to be an explanation as to why people, who normally experience the high as relaxing and non-threating, suddenly become overwhelmed with the mindfuck it gives.

I know that at least for me, the anxiety experience was carried over from bad stuff I had on heavy psychedelics in the past. It's like once you become depersonalized one time, the impression stays with you forever, just waiting to pop up in a moment of weakness.
Earlier today I smoked way too much (~0.5 g) by my own, which is not uncommon for me (high tolerance and all), and I just went into a world of total mindfuck and ego softening.

You know how usually you don't remember the anxiety and fear so much once the high becomes a smooth experience? And the next time you dose, all those scary stuff hit you back again, and you're like, "Shit! If only I remembered how bad this gets, I would have never done it again!"

Well, this time I made a conscious effort to memorize the fears I had so I can remember and analyze them later, and I really made them to stick with me. I feel like I have more of a grip on them right now, but than again that's what I always say to myself utill another bowl completely blows my mind away.

I'm really not sure whether to dose again right now or not. oh maybe a little bit (:.

Back to the topic anyway, a lot of people believe that stuff that you learn while on cannabis can only be truly encountered and understood once more while on more cannabis. I find this to be very true.
In this same way are also the fears. Forget about rationalizing the anxiety experience as to 'immune' yourself against future episodes, because it hardly ever works. The way to deal with it is to look back on your life. Something there has to point out to development of new stress and problems, which later manifest themselves during a smoking session. Other than that, I'[m really clueless as how to counter anxiety.

I feel as though my anxiety stems from me trying to fight the effects of the drugs, instead of just going with them, which I fear might lead to a full blown ego death. I think I actually have a case of clinical PTSD from lossing my ego in the past.
 
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I just wrote all this, smoked a bowl, and BOOM - it's happening! I'm coming up now, and I definitely notice fear starting to build up. 8o sure hope I'm going to do ok from now on.

Edit - high up, fear virtually gone. doing ok.
Anyway, now that I'm high I'm getting an idea how to aid anxiety go away:

Make your selves a small credit card size note, goes straight in the wallet. On it you write mantras people with anxiety disorder memorize:
1. DON'T continually check for your heart beat! The high makes it feel much quicker than it really is, and besides, no one ever got a heart attack from weed. So cool down.
2. The high is temporary, and you're not likely to remember the essence of these fears when you become sober.
3. Don't remain in the same position. Move around and try to divert your thoughts. also, don't change settings too much (outdoors/inside).
4. Don't try franticly calling anyone you know, just so you can talk to someone. You'll become aware of the confusion in your own voice and become even more freaked out.
5. Music rarely stops anxiety, much better to go out for a quite walk.
6. and last: Fear rushes can also be enjoyed! Think about it like a roller coaster. You know it's safe, so stop holding on to the bars.
 
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I've recently been having trouble with anxiety whenever I smoke weed, especially when it's with a group of people. I get very self-conscious and withdrawn. I'm fine when I smoke alone, for the most part, but when I'm with other people I feel like I'm constantly being judged. My last couple experiences with smoking in groups has been more enjoyable, but that's usually because I got drunk beforehand.

I've pretty much cut weed out of my life except for the weekends, and I find that helps reduce the anxiety it gives me about school/life/etc. I think I just need a change of scenery so I don't feel like such a worthless pile every time I want to get high.

Taking walks definitely helps ease the anxiety, and it's fucking amazing to walk around town stoned (I like to plug in my headphones so nobody tries to talk to me). I think just laying around and smoking weed makes me feel guilty, like I'm just wasting my life, but when I actually go out and do something I feel like a million bucks. I think all my high school years of hanging around in my friend's garage, smoking weed all day are finally starting to catch up with me now that I have to be a responsible adult, haha.
 
Wow...I have heard none about the RCS's.....I have been vaping, but no result? Any relatiable experiances?
 
nearjat said:
I wish there was a way to cure my cannabis anxiety :P I get lots of doomsday type thought patterns. Like something happens, I wildly connect the dots to some random negative situation, then decide that everything's fucked. Quite logical :P I either need total indica weed or hash to avoid this. It's a million times worse when smoking alone. I can't even smoke by myself anymore.

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Yeah. Lately I've decided that weed is basically a pointless drug, for me. Or, whatever positive value I get from it is easily cancelled by all the negative side effects.

*realizes he is posting in CD, ducks and covers*

It's alllllll about serotonergic psychedelics, with the occasional NMDA-antagonistic dissociative thrown in. Psyches were my first love, though, and will no doubt keep my affection till death.
 
Marijuana tends to make many people introvert and have dysphoric thoughts. I would think that would be enough evidence to say that you don't need pot. It, like all drugs, is toxic to the body. If your awareness level is high, you will get untoward consequences from pot use. Many people feel that they have to learn to be happy on pot. If you aren't happy on it, don't smoke it. <snip no commercial links, especially not repeatedly as you have been doing please>
 
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mcbooker said:
It, like all drugs, is toxic to the body.
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This is factually incorrect. Many (maybe even most) drugs are not toxic in recreational doses. Even injected heroin, assuming it's pure and injected with sterile tools, is not toxic over long term abuse. Water is toxic if you ingest enough of it. This is just a stupid, stupid thing to post on a harm reduction forum, especially for a substance that is so fucking nearly harmless to the vast majority of regular users.

If your awareness level is high, you will get untoward consequences from pot use.
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This is nearly equally retarded. Think of the Shiva worshipping mystics in India who who use cannabis. I'm sure you will argue that they have lower awareness, but you'd be wrong.

If you're messing up your life due to the use of cannabis seek help - but not from someone who preaches such patently false BS.
 
For what it is worth here are some of my experiences with Synthetic Cannabinoids: I was a pretty heavy weed smoker, when my sources all dried up. I new nothing of spice, until I walked into my local smoke shop one day, and while the guy didn't tell me specifically that the herbs he was pimping would get me high, he hinted at it, so I gave it a shot, and was pleasantly surprised. That was a bit over a year ago.
I've tried just about every blend, but mostly I've made my own out of JWH-18, 73, and 250. I've tried vaping 250 with limited success, and I also tried mixing 2g of 250 in 750ml of PGA with no success. I never liked 250, as it was very week in comparison to 18, and 73, but since I had so much of it I was willing to waste some in experimentation. But my delivery vehicle of choice was sprayed on mugwort. I tried a couple of other herbs, but mugwort had them beat by having to do very little prep work (removing stems etc.) and in texture.
I would use 2g per ounce of leaf, I think some people would think that was a bit much, but I have a high tolerance. I smoke about 2oz per month, some people might say that is a bit much too. I can't say I've had any ill effects, I've had the anxiety people talk about, but a- I've had worse on weed. b- the high is so short lived, that if you have a hard time, just stop smoking and it's over before you know it. and c- I'm a bit of a weirdo, and will sometimes bring on the anxiety myself on purpose, it's kinda like a horror movie, gets your blood pumping.
Describing the High: Very much like weed. I get blurred vision, especially in my left eye, but it all gets better after it wears off, and I usually don't need my sight too much while high. But my hearing would make up for the blurred vision. I would start hearing things that I normally wouldn't hear. When very high, I would get a kind of synesthesia (sounds would make me see colors), and sometimes, sounds like wind blowing through trees, and the like would become extremely intense, and I would just enjoy listening to the night. It is more a head high than body. I would usually do a half a bowl every 10 minutes until I feel like I want. It will be good for about 25 30 mins, then start to drop off, and be almost non existent after 45 mins to an hour.
Since the ban I have not been able to get anymore, and have not decided on trying a different currently legal chemical in their place. So I ran out in early Feb, and at that time quit cold turkey for about a month, with no real problems. I don't smoke tobacco, so I now have lost that connection with my V.E.L.P. who does, and I miss that.
I understand that their is no history to prove this chemical safe, so for that reason also, Im kind of happy to be done with it, especially in the amounts I was smoking. I have in the past couple of weeks, tried some of the current blends sold in my local smoke shop, but nothing really does it for me anymore, they all seem so weak. And I can go through a lot of money in an afternoon, smoking that high priced stuff. I've noticed the smoke shops are now pretty brazen in explaining what they are for.
I'm looking for a new connection for the real stuff again, but since I don't have a circle of friends that do it, it is tough.
I think that is a good overview of my Synth experience, but if anybody wants to know anymore feel free to ask.
 
The weed kinda snowballs through all the negative parts of your life. I was locked up in the legal system with probation, drug treatments, court dates seemingly every week sometimes multiple times. Plus the hundreds of dollars a month it was costing. For about a year and a half I knew I would have to eventually do some jail time. I wouldn't be able to stop thinking about them while high. I would stop getting anxiety from smoking after I got really high and about 30-45 minutes passed. Then I would have the ability to smoke without anxiety.

I finally ended up doing 4 months in jail. After getting out was my first time in years where I had no future court dates or stipulations. I was getting terrible anxiety when I first got high again. Made me reconsider smoking. After smoking heavy for a couple days it went away . And now that I don't have as many negative things to think about I don't get the anxiety.

I think that if you solve your real life problems, weed will get better.
 
I would stop getting anxiety from smoking after I got really high and about 30-45 minutes passed. Then I would have the ability to smoke without anxiety.
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This is something I have noticed. I believe it is because the active metabolites of THC are less anxiogenic than THC itself. I have a strong hunch that the oral route will lead to greatly reduced anxiety, but have yet to put that theory to the test.
 
trying jwh 081 and 250...

So i was thinking of gettin one gram of each...has anyone tried both together? please include an experience report thanks guys!

p.s. sorry if this is the wrong section for this thread...i figured cannabanoids are kinda like cannabis lol.
 
^ Yes. It's nice. I prefer 250 and 018 with a pinch of 073. 250 is mild but extends the high of the 081. not much more to say.
 
yerg, Hope you don't mind but I updated the front page. I did not edit your paragraph, but if you think it's not needed anymore, or that you need to add something else, feel free to edit as you will.

Alldaykk said:
i would also appreciate much more information about intranasal jwh or any synthetic cannabinoids.
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Don't.

You can take pure JWH in it's powdered form as is - example:
1) take desired amount of JWH to be taken orally.
2) Eat it. Put it in a shot. On some butter. On some bread. On a cookie. In a brownie.

Note: Certain variants of JWH are not as friendly as others - especially orally. If you take JWH orally be sure you have measured the dosage and you are comfortable with the high and can handle a massive panic attack on the scale of a bad LSD trip with fluctuating body temperature and nausia.

I do it all the time and nod out pleasantly. My tolerance is sky fucking high with this stuff and I always react well, only 3-4 occasions where I dosed around 100mg orally and got uncomfortably fucked.

JWH is not water soluble - it is barely soluble in alcohol, even high proof. You need pure acetone to do a wash or bind. P-U-R-E acetone. Using the wrong acetone will get you dead.

FAQ:

Questions You Should Not Ask:

1) What is in blend "XYZ".
-We don't know. Vendors will not give out this information as it opens them up to lawsuit. It is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH safer to use RCs when you know what fucking RC you are ingesting.

2) "I am having XYZ side effects. What could this be caused by?
- Likely by ingesting an unknown chemical that we cannot possibly help you identify.

3) "Are these drugs safe?"
- We do not know. We will not know for some time. Perhaps we will never know for sure. There is very little information about the large majority of these RCs.

4) What color should XYZ be?
- Depends on variant. Pure JWH for most variants are going to be white to off white scale. There is a guide on how to clean your JWH if you think it is suspect in the previous thread. Use the Search Engine.

5) Is JWH water soluable?
- Only use pure, food grade acetone. PURE ACETONE.

6) Can I inhale JWH/powdered forms?
- Yes, but why you would do this is beyond me. First, it's a waste. Second, if you have pure form JWH, why the hell wouldn't you just eat it or smoke it. Don't bother blowing something that isn't water soluable. Waste. And stupid.

7) I bought a prepackaged blend - can I somehow cook with this?
- Shut up. I told you not to buy those pre-packed blends - they are robbery, dirty, and you don't know what they are putting into it. Some have been known to contain WASTE PRODUCTS from the process of making JWH that is TOXIC. If you are dead-set on this, you can try an acetone wash, though what these blends contain is a crap shoot.

8 ) is XZY more safe than XZY2?
- Some are less risky than others. You can do the research on this yourself. I suggest wiki, and bluelight's vast database of information. JWH 250's missing N-ring provides some evidence that it is less carcinogenic than others.

9) Just how unsafe are these?
- Get it through your head. We are the guinnee pigs for these new designer drugs. Use wisely, and with the acceptance that you may grow a third arm or your dick might fall off. Or it might get bigger. Who knows.

Warning: If you insist upon using synthetic cannaboids, use them in their pure form, and learn to make your own blends. I have posted a video guide on how to do this in the last edition of this thread. You can do the work finding it.

So, what can you ask?

Anything that has not been covered before. Any editions to the "don't bother asking" list, PM me and it will be considered.

-Chainer
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^ That's weird... I've always noticed that the first 10 minutes or so are always totally blissed out, and then it slowly starts descending into the anxiety and paranoia from that point...
 
^Not at all man, good job. This is really your area of expertise anyway, I was just keeping your seat warm.
 
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