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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

I've actually found a lot of good, clean, and roughly 96%+ pure AM and JWH vapes oddly, tastes funny, and is less effective then smoking after infusing onto any plant matter. Even tasteless, odorless batches have an odd vape flavor. I generally do not vaporize synthetics though, for some reason they seem to work less well in almost all batches I've had.
 
I don't vape it conventionally. Two metal gauzes in a wooden pipe, 3-5mg ish for AM-2201 at a time. Hover the flame and slow inhale so the flame is 1cm above the powder, it melts, get flame a bit closer and its all gone. Works a bit better if there is some ash properly engrained into the the top gauze.

AM-2233 proved harder to vape too, requiring much more heat. It also clogs up joints it is rolled into making them difficult to toke.

I hope AM-1220 is nice. Not many reports around.
 
I have noticed the clogging effect with JWH-250 and JWH-081 before, but only when I bought from a less than reputable vendor. I'm wondering if perhaps impurities are the reason it won't vape so well? I agree with Chainer though. Even when using the brillo pad method of vaping, you have to use more than you would just putting it onto plant matter and you're going to taste things that burning plant would normally cover up.

I also wonder how consistent reports of AM-1220 and AM-2233 will be, as each has two enantiomers that differ drastically in potency. Now here's a question: Are labs/vendors supplying (R) as they should be, (S) which is nearly inactive (or acts as a competitive antagonist), or a racemic blend (which is probably the most likely option)?
 
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loulou reed said:
Is JWH-210 as good as 250? I loved 250, but it's out of stock at the moment. Thanks.
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210 was too strong for me, I just couldn't get the does right, too little and I smoke damiana until I get a headache with little to no effect too much and you get the panic attacks and everything else associated with overdoes.

250 was the shizzy out of the 7 or 8 designations I tried in home blends, never once got a panic attack or any anxiety or raised heart beat even a extremely high doses (1G JWH-250 per 9~10G of substrate 300ml Everclear), as a matter of fact I had to devise a whole new method of getting the loose powder and tiny crystals to stick to the substrate, a little honey diluted into a bit of warm water evenly sprayed unto the finished spice, swish around the dish and done.

Right now 250 is illegal in PA, so vendors wont send it to me, oddly enough they will send 019 (must be overstocked) even tho it is on the same amendment to PA Senate Bill #1006.

So far so good with the 019, not as good as 250 IMHO but it take quite a bit to overdoes and the buzz is comparable to what I liked about 250 and that was a light buzz closer resembling the pot that was out back in my day that had maybe 7% THC if you were lucky, that's the kind of buzz I prefer since I like to accomplish things with my day and not be a vegetable on the couch playing video games.

jerm %)
 
seeing Chainer in here piques my interest in synthetic 'noids. I have only ever smoked damiana leaf, I thought Dominos would drug test me to be a delivery driver (they never tested me, cause I never had any accidents) Don't get me wrong, I recognize there's a significant difference between mystery herbal blends and synthetic 'noids. I have yet to take any synthetics, but life circumstances change, and I might have to in order to dodge the urinalysis/hair follicle bullet, if I still want to get high, that is. I don't see a lot of people comparing these to cannabis so far, and I know a single compound can hardly be compared to cannabis, since weed contains such a wide variety of compounds.

But, I'd like to know, are these synthetics enjoyable, and in what ways are they enjoyable? dumb question maybe, seeing as the heads around bluelight seem to like them well enough. I'm hearing that some of these give a crisp, clear-headed high, which sounds very appealing, some of my favorite marijuana gives the same effect. understand that I have no experience with any of them. It looks like you've got to be cautious with dosing.

I guess the question is, are they more enjoyable/beneficial than damiana, and which ones seem to give the most enjoyable effects and the least negative effect?
 
Utahrd, you seem like a man after my own heart (don't take that in a wrong way, tee hee) as you may notice my opinion is much like yours in that we both enjoy the mild buzz the classic strands with no hormones and fertilizers and relatively low THC (7~8% ) give us.

I have done much research and study and there were few JWH destinations that do not cause heart palpitations, heavy chest, panic attacks, and anxiety in higher doses.

The problem is the buzz if it is mild just doesn't last long,(45min tops) so in order to be comparable to 60 or so cannabiniods in Mary J you have a find a designation (eg, 019, 250, 081) that is tolerable for your own body chemistry at higher doses without the hyper reactive side effects some of them have or end up mixing two or more destinations to give you both longevity and veracity throughout, it's a trade off.

The ONLY way synthetics are enjoyable for me is if they mimic closely my memories of the kind bud of the late 80's early 90's, I'm not into psychedelic and extreme cardiovascular experiences as I did enough of that in my teens to last me a lifetime which was 20+ years ago.

jerm %)
 
Bad outweighs the good

I used to like smoking a lot (who here doesn't?) but every time I've done it in, say, the last year, unpleasant side-effects have outweighed the benefits and nulled the high. Specifically, the side-effect that really fucks me up is the "heart beating in throat" sensation which I really, really hate despite not being able to fully verbalise why (it makes me very anxious and uneasy and also that it tends to draw all my attention to it). Initially I thought it was a strain thing because I only started getting it strongly after we switched contacts and started buying in cheese instead of unidentified "homegrown". A few months later the matey was released on bail for intent to supply and we hopped back to our old arrangement but the side-effects stayed exactly the same. I got it so strongly and consistently that I eventually gave up trying.

I suspect I'm in a small minority with the whole "bad outweighs the good" thing but does anyone else get this very strongly? If so, did it stop and did anything help you overcome it?
 
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yes, ime this happens to most people eventually. I started smoking all day everyday and after a couple years had to stop cuz of the side effects.
 
It happened to me too. I was usually fine if I only smoked a little bit though. Try stopping for a bit, and then just taking one hit. Take it from there.
 
I am having trouble finding info on JWH-122.

Have googled and searched BL and the god awful "drugs-forum" as well.

I mainly want to know the dosage of this compound. I have heard everything from 1mg to 40mg. Can someone shed some light?

Also, I plan on ORALLY ingesting this, not smoking it or putting it on a blend. If anyone here has any experience with oral JWH-122 for someone with no tolerance (usually smoke pot one time a week give or take) it would be greatly appreciated. Mainly how many mg to eat.

Thanks so much.

EDIT: I am a idiot. I realized that one page back someone asked nearly the exact same question. For some reason the BL search engine didnt pick this up. Sorry. However still if anyone else would care to share some light on oral 122 it would still be appreciated.
 
Utahrd said:
But, I'd like to know, are these synthetics enjoyable, and in what ways are they enjoyable? dumb question maybe, seeing as the heads around bluelight seem to like them well enough. I'm hearing that some of these give a crisp, clear-headed high, which sounds very appealing, some of my favorite marijuana gives the same effect. understand that I have no experience with any of them. It looks like you've got to be cautious with dosing.

I guess the question is, are they more enjoyable/beneficial than damiana, and which ones seem to give the most enjoyable effects and the least negative effect?
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I've only tried JWH-018. The effects are interesting, similar to cannabis but I'd say it gives you more energy and is more cerebral then most cannabis, lacking a strong body high. I also think the high is lacking a bit, I greatly prefer smoking JWH in combination with cannabis then smoking it alone.

Everyone seems to react differently though. The common experiences for most people seem to be that it is very clear headed, gets you stoned but the high isn't as well rounded as weed, and is more energetic then most weed. I and many other people have also noticed negative mental effects after heavy use. If I smoke JWH more then 2 or 3 times in a week I feel depressed and anxious afterwards for several days. So I keep use very irregular. These, like most research chemicals are very much a YMMV type thing- some people can use huge doses and have no problems and love them, some people get negative effects from low level irregular use.
 
Cheers, guys. Sounds like continuing to stay away from it for a while is the way forward. Will try again in the new year. :)
 
How is smoked potency compared to oral potency?

As in, 10mg of AM-2201 smoked would be equal to how many mg orally?
 
I've only tried AM-2201 and JWH-250. While I do have the possibility to measure out 100ug with a satisfying precision of 30ug (windows closed, nobody move a muscle!), I never felt the need to do that and eyeballed it from the start. I've had various batches and only once did I really go over the top, but that might've been related to an unknown substance passing from my ass into my bloodstream at the same time.

JWH-250 imho sucked, I barely felt shit (only had one batch from the same supplier as the best AM batch I had). I've been smoking pot for 12 years straight, at nighttime, but my tolerance is pretty low to actual pot. 100mg weed will get me pretty blasted every night!!

AM-2201 was pretty fascinating, but I could never replace pot with it and since I don't just change my habit and ended up not using it at all anymore. After 2 days I ingested 50mg (!) along with a softdrink and told a friend to be avilable in case of emergency (he was really pissed, but I've never really or got into any sticky situation in years of excessive drug use and was mostly joking). I dropped off my daughter at home, headed for the train station where I started drink 500ml coke with the stuff + 50mg AM2201 solution. Surprisingly it took less than 10 minutes to notice my face being frozen into big fat warm headed smile. It felt pretty trippy and intense, needless to say I was a bit surprised by the sudden onset. I managed to get home fine and followed my routine.

Now I wouldn't recommend anyone to eyeball, but if you feel you have to, just start with the smallest amount you can still see and sprinkle them into a cigarette or whatever. You might even feel some effects, but if you don't, then just double the dose and so on... Liquid dosing would probably be safer, like 10mg per ml in acetone applied to a cigarette with one of them skinny 1ml syringes. But tbh I've never felt the need. I'm a stoner with a very low pot tolerance and AM made it shoot through the roof within a week or nightly smoking. The cross-tolerance seemed limited only to some aspects of the effects, probably won't surprise anyone considering it's just one active substance compared to 60 in cannabis.

I do have a few friends who have made bad experiences with the stuff, but after all it's just a cannabinoid overdose, serves them right. I had a few as well, but nothing that comes close to what people describe (as in full blown trip). Not saying that can't happen or the stuff isn't severely impressive, but it's still in the same league as cannabis, without the richness of the effects.

One more thing to note would be the short duration which would reliably wake me up at 3am like some sort of early rebound effect I guess. Still (or maybe because of that) I felt like a zombie after 3 weeks (of both AM and cannabis use) and pretty much went back to smoking cannabis alone. While the doses seem miniscule, I could easily see myself smoke half a gram a day and that can't be healthy, toluene ring cancer crap or not, half a gram of chemical in my lungs cant be that healthy.
 
any of you tried this black magic hash that a shall remain nameless vendor sells its a solid with am-694 and am-2201 in it and it is the damn fine gear its not to far of been a good soap bar style hash
 
Getting anxiety after having been a regular smoker in the past

I'm a psyconaut.. I've snorted 50+ mg's of 2C-E, I've taken plenty of acid, tripped on everything I can find.. and tripped hard at that. I can tweak for days on end without any paranoia or negative effects. I can stay up for 4 days and never get any sleep deprivation. I can take dissicoactives without problems..
But give me a joint or any cannabinoids and I have panic attacks the whole time. I'll get quiet and trapped in my own thoughts, paranoid, dysphoria..

Does anyone else have this issue? It's like it temporarily puts me into a small psychosis or something..

I use to smoke all the time, in fact there was a period of time were I'd easily smoke a few grams a day. This period of time lasted a few months, close to half a year. I quit, came back and smoked on occasion, then stopped all together... after that time the only time I can remember where I enjoyed pot was a resin hit while I was peaking on two hits of acid my first time ever tripping on acid..

Anyone find a way around this or know why it happens? I always feel like I'm alone on this. I can do just about any drug out there, trip harder than anyone I know, but a single joint will put me into a small freak out..
 
Most well-worn story out there. Pothead for a few yrs, quit for a few yrs, try it again and you get the anxiety. Just happens. Either be a man, get through it and grow a tolerance so you can smoke normally, or don't smoke at all if it gives you bad effects. Pretty simple
 
boiledfruit said:
Maybe your smokables have become so insane-ly bomb and your body hasn't adjusted to it yet.
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I started with the low-grade stuff then moved up to fire.. no difference


RedRum OG said:
Most well-worn story out there. Pothead for a few yrs, quit for a few yrs, try it again and you get the anxiety. Just happens. Either be a man, get through it and grow a tolerance so you can smoke normally, or don't smoke at all if it gives you bad effects. Pretty simple
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Even with a tolerance it still happens.. I've tried several times both gaining a decent tolerance each time and at-last I still get the same feelings...
 
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