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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

How long does it the high last with am-2201 also what is the dosage with mg's exactly? Also the same for 2233 how long does the high last and what is the dosage.
 
2201, I made a 1:100 blend, so single milligram (or even sub-milligram) doses. High lasts for about 15 minutes. No experience with 2233.
 
Hey guys. I've got JWH-122. I tried eating it but it was EXTREMLEY ineffective. Is there a way to prepare this so that i can get high off a 'regular smoking dose' orally? I was thinking perhaps oil or butter? Recipes welcome!
 
Hasn't 122 been linked to some nasty side effects? Chainer eats JWH, I'm sure he'll be more help, but I think that you want to double or triple a smoked dose if you're using it orally.
 
Vader said:
Hasn't 122 been linked to some nasty side effects? Chainer eats JWH, I'm sure he'll be more help, but I think that you want to double or triple a smoked dose if you're using it orally.
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I had to eat easily enough for 3 or 4 'trips' (when smoked) worth of JWH-122. All I got was a buzz, I couldnt even tell if it was placebo or not, thats how little i felt it. Not worth it economically either.

on an unrelated note, has anyone succesfully used opiates (specifically hydrocodone) to treat a JWH 'trip' gone bad? Would respitory depression be a concern or should I be fine as long as I dont go to sleep?
 
^Yeah, using a lipid medium increases oral bioavailability in my experience, but you're still going to have to increase the dosage vs smoking it (2-3x usually). On the other hand, this should make it last longer too (2x at least, depending on the noid). Also I've heard that benzos help, but haven't heard anything about use of opiates. Respiratory depression is a concern, but yes you would fall asleep first.

@Vader, what side effects do you speak of? I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary, especially when you compare it to 210 or even more so, 2201.
 
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Kipo - one of my VERY FEW ODs were from mixing opiates and JWH. Respiratory system just shut down on me >< Use benzos instead.

As Vader said, oral JWH is generally 3x your normal smoked dosage. There have been times JWH has kicked in HARD and kicked my ass, and times it has done much less. I don't know why some variants are so hit and miss.
 
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In relation to the guy who mentioned he just eyeballs then hits it until he's good, that is what I also do except that I'll weigh an average-high dose except I will just periodically hit the freebase pipe until I reach a nice level. When I decide I want another hit, it makes it pretty convenient to do so. I do weigh my doses prior to putting them in the pipe, however.

I will probably be able to give a response on the AM-2233 in a week or two btw, I'm just looking into this phenomenon people keep reporting online-some sort of "buzzing" sensation. Are you guys familiar with what I'm talking about?
 
^ it's possible to do safely after developing a tolerance to the drug, but we try not to recommend that here just purely for HRs sake. Also for the fact that many people will not do a safety test on their new batches of RCs to see if what they got is what it was pro ported to be - thus hyper low dosages are rec'd for new users or for new batches. I recall once I had ordered 1g of 2c-e, and then one week later ordered another which was 40% or so stronger (fortunately my vendor warned me of the potency change).
 
Thanks for the help! Should I cook it hotter or cooler than when you bake with cannabis? The same? Should I even cook it?
I will make sure not to mix opiates and jwh, thnx!
 
Is JWH-210 as good as 250? I loved 250, but it's out of stock at the moment. Thanks.
 
^JWH-250 is one of the most immediate and shortest lasting ones I have researched... it is definitely on the milder side compared to JWH-210 which is the longest lasting and quite easy to overdose.

LogicSoDeveloped said:
I will probably be able to give a response on the AM-2233 in a week or two btw, I'm just looking into this phenomenon people keep reporting online-some sort of "buzzing" sensation. Are you guys familiar with what I'm talking about?
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I've noticed this buzzing, but only with several of the more potent CB2 agonists (notably 018). As the dose is raised and the sensation gets stronger, it can turn into dissociation of the limbs. The only way I can describe this is as if you had a replaced your hand or leg with a nub that feels like a cloud of tactile input.

Chainer said:
Kipo - one of my VERY FEW ODs were from mixing opiates and JWH.
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I have noticed this too, and it makes alot of sense to me. Opiates and aminoalkylindoles both lower your seizure threshold and therefore taking them together would produce synergistic effects (I wouldn't recommend mixing them with nitrous either, as this almost guarantees a seizure/OD).
 
Opiates lower the seizure threshold? That's news to me. I know tramadol does, but that's hardly typical of the class.
 
Tramal has been reformulated in Australia because of the seizure risk at doses higher than 400mg a day. The 200mg sustained release tablets have been reformulated at 150mg.
 
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Opiates lower the seizure threshold? That's news to me. I know tramadol does, but that's hardly typical of the class.
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I don't think so, I never noticed this while using or in any research I did....

I have read 1-2 reports of warnings, using too much oxy = increased risk of seizure, but I've yet to read anything besides that line in the warning label that suggests it is so.
 
I've never seen anyone have a seizure on opioids alone, but it most certainly lowers your threshold. I have experienced and witnessed doses of nitrous oxide (and on a separate occasion with JWH-210) which would not normally induce convulsions that have caused seizures when used in tandem with several different opiates. And yes, tramadol is worse in this regard, probably because of its added NMDA action.
I'll do some more reading on the topic later, but for now here is a short bit of info that states morphine is proconvulsant: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6319915
EDIT: I'm not sure if you guys can read these full articles, but I'm having difficulty finding studies on any other databases. Either way, this one is a little more on topic: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3015659
 
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I went and decided to try out a spice blend...they had like 20 diff kinds and I'm looking kinda puzzled but the guy knows me and says he recommends "sora" aroma theropy (yes its spelled with an O...)... and has kinda japanese looking symbol on it... anyone tried it or know if its been confirmed by lab testing?... I smoked a bowl and I'm retarded.... I'm not sure if I can walk... I think ima give it a try....
 
AM-2233 was a weird one, don't even want to consume what I have of it it. In amounts for a good high (7mg+) it tastes funny (vaping, not burning) and most worryingly/annoyingly produces loud tinnitus!
 
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