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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

AM 2201 isn't impossible to mix with alcohol, but in my opinion they do not go well together. Both are strong depressants and both produce nausea as you continue to dose. Be cautious as they compound each other. Like a night of teenage drinking, it can go from super awesome to super terrible in a minute if you are going too fast ;-)

Anyone have experience with AM-1248?
 
Different substances affect different people in different ways. You have no idea what his position in life is.

i only feel that way because i know what it feels like to w/d of benzos, and many other users on this site have had serious, serious drug habits and experienced debilitating w/d from opiates/benzos ( 'done and benzos being the most deadly). thankfully, i was on a lower dose daily, but the taper was one of the worst moments of my life. depression and anxiety for 6-12months, but after exercise and diet i finally began to feel normal.
 
When I was smoking JWH regularly I had a decent tolerance built up, one day I took way too big of a bong rip of some pre-packaged blend my friend bought. I spent the next three hours in misery feeling like I was going to die. At the time I was on probation for a possession charge, otherwise I would have been smoking cannabis and not synthetics. When I started smoking cannabis again I got panic attacks and anxiety while high, and was anxious more than usual in every day life. The most useful advice I can give is to keep smoking and just get used to it again. I think stimulation of my cannabinoid receptors was associated with negative things like being arrested and smoking way too much JWH.

It may be a similar situation for you. I still have the occasional episode where I start to feel bad, but I read some advice online that helps to do away with the negativity. Imagine your anxiety and negative feelings are a person. Personify your negativity, then in your mind make it dance with you. Just imagining it usually works, but actually dancing and not just imagining that you're dancing helps a lot. It never fails to make me laugh when I get paranoid from marijuana, and when using psychedelics it always turns a bad trip into a good one.

I may have read the advice about dancing somewhere around here on Bluelight, but honestly don't remember where I got it so I'm sorry for not crediting whoever I got it from.

I hope you get it worked out. Ganja is my favorite too. It's still your friend. You just need to get reacquainted.
 
I've dosed this stuff orally three times.

I'm a fairly experienced MJ smoker, with some tolerance from semi-daily use, I love oral MJ but am too lazy/hassled to bother extracting. So I've been searching the synthetic stuff for something that's good for oral doses.

The first time it was 50mg dissolved (poorly - didn't dissolve so great) in a shot of scotch. After 2 hours I still hadn't noticed any effects. (and never did) My stomach was maybe 2/3rds full.

Because after that was the second time I dosed orally, 110mg eaten straight (no dissolving or such). Stomach about half full. Started to come up into a very euphoric sort of high. By one hour in I was fully up, felt very much like psychedelic induced euphoria, rather stimulant in feeling. Euphoric sort of high lasted at least 4-6 hours, and gave way to a very sedative type high that lasted into a night's sleep. Several hours after I got up I still felt sketched and sedated like after a long night of hitting the bong. I also felt a general anxiety effect that carried over into the next day.

Third time: 100mg, eaten straight on a 3/4 to 2/3rds full stomach. Felt some mild effects, giddiness and such, but never reached any point I'd call 'high'. However I did feel a very long lasting sketched out/sedated sensation that lasted from about 5 hours in onward for a good night's sleep of about 8 hours and then several more hours after I got up. Made it hard to feel awake the next day. Figure it must have been the fuller stomach that kept me from reaching what'd I'd call recreational levels of effect combined maybe with less than ideal oral availability.

I tend to screw up vaping these so I intend to keep trying to find the best way to orally dose this stuff as I think it's got the best potential of any jwh series that are legal where I live. I have vaped/indirectly heated this stuff in a glass dick, and four 20-30mg works ok for a decent high, although I've found this stuff to be very picky (more so than the 18 it seems) to being overheated and blowing away before I can inhale it. I seem to have a naturally high tolerance for the jwh series cannabinoids since most people seem to report vaped doses that do nothing to me. That or I just really suck at vaping.
 
^ You don't suck at vaping it, the JWH series are notoriously difficult to correctly vape. I couldn't tell you why. I agree with the oral route being the most effective, longest lasting, most powerful ROA. Dose wise, I find a general rule of thumb to be 3x what your normal smoked dosage would be. E.G. 20mg JWH-018 translates to a 60mg oral bomb. Tolerance obviously is something you MUST figure out beforehand.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/465075-MEGA-Synthetic-Cannabinoid-Discussion-2nd-Toke

might be of interest to many of you
 
*First time using ANY drug ever in my life(except coffee and alcohol)*

First of all I have to say that I ordered the product from a well-known company with a lot of feedback, but it was my first time working with them.
I ordered 1 gram of JWH-250 in powder form. It came, a guy named exactly like me took it, I relate to him and asked it and after a lot of search in the garbage we found it.
I took only the baggie with the product, dumped the letter. It was useless anyways. I neither had a scale, nor the intention to buy one, and I was ready to eye-ball it. I filled the aluminion-foil spoon 3 times.

*First time using ANY drug ever in my life(except coffee and alcohol)*
First time goes like this;


I fill the spoon with less than a rice of salt. I put the lighter under the aluminium-foil spoon and it evaporates. I inhale the smoke through a drinking straw.

T 0:00 Inhale the smoke.
T 0:01 No noticable effects.
T 0:02 Lay on the bed waiting effects.
T 0:05 Stand Up after the dissapointment of no effects. I feel something's wrong with my walking skills. I walk like being lightly drunk, but no other alcohol effects. I go play video games at the net cafe of my hood. Noone notices anything different on me.
T 0:30 When I stood uo from my pc-chair walking effect vanished. Effects were over.

Second time was like 5 minutes after finishing playing video games:

I fill more than double the previous dosage on the spoon. I do the same.

T 0:00 Inhale the smoke
T 0:01 Notice walking effects.
T 0:05 Notice thinking a little strangely.
Black out of memory. I can't remember anything in particular but parts that are common. No more effects on second dosage.

Third time I was angry that I didn't have a real "high" or something, so I take the bag, turn it upside down and it gets filled with jwh-250 of the size of like 15-20 rices of salt. I thought I overdid it, but I just wanted to try. Things get messy from now on.

T 0:00 Inhale the smoke. It was a lot more and I could feel it in my lungs. I exhale the smoke and a cloud of gas appears. It wasn't harsh.
T 0:01 It hit me right in the head. Feel the effects almost when I stand up after exhaling. I couldn't walk normally. I will explain the "waves" now. I waves coming and going every 15-20 seconds or so. Each time I had a wave, the direction I leaned and went to, while being dizzy changed. I could almost see the direction as a hallucination. It was mild.
T 0:02 I start walking. I feel light-headed. The effects were like 15x from the last time. I knew it was the onset so I knew there was A LOT more coming. Thinking of that absorbs me into something.
T 0:03 PANICKING. That's the only thing I can say. I panicked at the thought that it would be like that forever. I panicked so much. I reassured myself by thinking that the doctors can take the drug out of me if I wanted and the effects would be over. Then, I remember I took a drug and feel like that.
T 0:05 I relax at the reassuring thought that I still have options. I don't feel that well. I remembre being on drugs again. Fortunately I thought it would be good to write down the time the effet will ease and the time it will be gone completely. I remembered it was 30 minutes till the peak. I see the clock. I count wrong. I notice it and erase it. Then I write:
----- 16:06
---- 16:36
-- 17:36
- 18:06
I drew the thing on the left. It meant the effects will ease at these certain times. I didn't think to write on the paper that it is the effects of the drug. The new wave dumped all these(watch T 0:10). I then saw the paper. I put it on my pocket without understanding it's meaning, I just thought it was important as I was writing a moment before on it.
T 0:07 I go down the street. I can barely walk down the stairs. When I open the door to get out of the appartment and see the sky I feel like entering somewhere completely else. I feel good at that thought. Waves still coming and going. Now here's the deal. A new effect gets added to each new wave. Subjects of thinking. I think deeply. Really deeply. I am more concentrated to what I think than ever. Each new wave dumps completely the old subject. If I try to remember it, I get nothing. Short-time memory loss detected.
T 0:10 I head to my friend's house. He didn't know anything about me on drugs at the moment. Didn't tell him. His house is like 200 metres away from mine. I think various stuff while going there and what I notice is the main subject that I think again and again: These are the effects of a drug, or am I just panicking? If it's the drug, what if it lasts forever? If it last forever will I cope with it?(I was thinking mostly yes, but I wasn't sober and I thought it would be normal). If it ends did I like it enough to try again the stuff?(Didn't answer that)
T 0:15 One second passed. I really thought I teleported from my house to his. I now knew it was the effects of the drug. Time was really distorted. At the present I felt a second like eternity but when I thought the past I felt like it all passed in one second.
T 0:20 Effects are really strong. I can barely talk. I walk up the stairs with many problems. Reach the door. New wave dumps my thoughts. I feel bad, really bad, don't know why. I see the door, and remember it was my friend inside. I ring the bell. My friend was playing video games with 2 friend online. He opens the door fast and goes back to the pc. I enter the house. It feels familiar. The dog barks and wants me to play with him. I can't understand the calling. He gets something's wrong(That's what I thought at the moment). I tried to think of a way to dump him. That thought got dumped by the new wave. I see the living room. Didn't notice I was there. I continue and enter my friend's room. I know I have to act normally and do my best.
T 0:22 He was talking on skype with 2 friends. I spontaneously told "Hi" to the mic to act normally. He laughed and I guess I said it weird. I feel tired. I feel like being sick. Exactly like that. He asks me some questions, I don't really give attention to them, I just answer with the first thing coming in my mind. No thinking on asnwering, I just have to pass the question fast to get back to the other world of deep thinking. At each new wave I stayed for like 3 seconds in the real world. The other one was in my head. I remember only one question: Wanna play? I answer that I don't feel really good so he should be better to play. I go up his bed. Tireness goes up. I almost sleep. I don't care what he would think, but I thought already an excuse if he asked me what I was doing so I could go back to the thinking world fast. He sees me, pokes me. I get up and act like it was a joke. I couldn't remember the excuse at all.
T 0:27 I watch the clock. Remember something about hours. I touch my pocket. I feel the paper. I pull it out and read it. The time was 16:something. Can't remember but it was a little before the peak. Then I remember that clock went wrong. I already passed the peak. I could feel the effects go down already(or it was just a placebo that they went down). By the way, some waves had some orders for me like "Drink water". If they were achievable in less than 20 secs I instantly did them. If they were more I had the feeling like the one when you wake up and you have to do so many things but you just wanna stay to bed. One was "Bitter taste". I asked for some sugar. He leads me to the kitchen. He gives me some salt as a prank. Then munchies hit. The following orders were almost all of them like : Drink cola/Eat chocolate/Eat chips. These stuff never fullfilled my hunger or thirst but I just kept taking them.
T 0:45 Effects went down to the start. Only walking ones and mild-waves. Thinking effects were almost gone.
T 1:10 I had left my friend's house and went to mine to eat and drink. Then I remembered my appointment with my friends at 17:10. Just on time I thought. Go down the street, meet one of them. He didn't notice anything strange. I go play video games with them at the net cafe of my hood. I sucked at playing really hard. I laughed a lot on my mistakes.
T 1:45 All effects are gone. Everything turns back to normal.

So these are my stories, but I have the feeling that it wasn't synthetic marijuana because there was no good feeling called "high". Just dizzy and thinking stuff were the main effects. I don't know if this is what you call "high" but I hope it was just a bad trip because of overdose, so when I dose right I can feel the "high".
If it wasn't JWH-250, what drug do these effects remind you? Opinions on dose?
 
We don't do ID threads here.

It reminds me of a person who have never done drugs doing a designer drug, of all fucking things. :/ Sounds like you got high. Congrats.

Actually, you're getting an infraction. You posted this 3 times and were told not to 3 times... yet you continue.
 
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cutting JWH / AM

I have some JWH 122 and some AM 2201 in small amounts currently (1 gram of each).

Other than purchasing damania and acetone and making "spice mix" I was wondering if anyone knew of something which would be safe to cut it with so it would be safe to smoke straight (versus risking overdosing as I currently do not own a mg scale). has anyone tried this? i think it would be a decent idea so I could pack a bowl of it just like normal bud.

thanks in advance... if this belongs in the cannabis forums please feel free to move it. thanks!
 
Cutting it to smoke it out of a bowl? I don't think you'll find anyone that smokes chunks of powder out of pipes =D

If you don't wanna lay it onto some herb, you could smoke it off foil or sprinkle it into a rollup (baccy or weed).
 
i smoke my AM-2201 through my bong. i put a tiny pinch of already-vaped-bud in the bowl, my desired amount of AM-2201, and another wee sprinkling of vaped bud on top.
Voila!
 
Effects of daily cannabis use on a young developing brain

When I young I was naiive in terms of drug use, so I used cannabis pretty much daily from about 14-19. Had a few week/month breaks for holidays and exams and things, but I've always wondered what effects that has had on my deveopment as a person since. Now if I smoke weed (at 24 yrs old) I can not bear the effects, I get extremely socially paranoid, brain-dead, lazy, and restless around other people. I even show signs of these symptoms now when totally sober. Something has definately changed over the years.

Anyone else like this after very frequent use from a young age? I'm not sure how much of my personality now is due to this excessive use from a young age or is just how I am normally.

[Since my cannabis use I have done a hell of a lot of other drugs in place of stopping using weed, but these symptoms seem to have started from my cannabis use onwards]
 
And if people have experienced similar effects are their any sort of solutions to these symptoms (drug related or otherwise) that will help?
 
I started smoking weed when I was 15... I'm 57 now and I still smoke weed....my brain is fine.. some people can't smoke weed or they find out later that they have to stop because it's causing them anxiety and paranoia...I'm merging this with the [mega](you guessed it) anxiety and paranoia thread...
 
^ I know. Some of my friends that used the same as me are 100% fine, I seem to fall in the unlucky bracket of users that do get negative anxiety effects from weed use.
 
one of my best friends is the same way...he smoked weed for over 20 years and then, all of a sudden, it started making him extremely paranoid..he had to stop. every once in a while, he'll ask me for a small amount just to see what happens. I always ask him how it was and he always gives me the same answer... no good man..
 
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