Opioids Mega Merged: Ultimate poppy pod/seed tea thread - Part II

[Good info girl]

What about eating a poppy seed bagel, would that do anything?

 

[Foul Play]

is it worth it ? are there reliable places to get from ? i hear if u use more than once a week u get a bad habit . so sounds like dope is safer lol

There are plenty of reliable sources for pods. PPT would not be a wise way to kick other opiates because it would be hard to titrate a daily dose. You have no way of knowing the content of each pod..some will be strong, some will be weak. Plus, they're quite intoxicating, which is the opposite of what kicking is all about.

 

[Foul Play]

What about eating a poppy seed bagel, would that do anything?

You would have to eat hundreds of poppy seed bagles to get anything out of it.
I actually sat down once and figured how many one would have to ingest (based on the common fact of two bagles will make you test positive for morphine) I don't remember the actual number..but I think it was in the 500+ range iirc.

 

[Good info girl]

I remember seeing that on a Seinfeld(don't know how to spell) episode but I never kneww it was true. My pain managment doctor test me every two weeks to see exactly what I'm taking. Does that mean I should stay away from poppy seed bagels? He already acted like a nazi when I forgot to tell about a kadian pill I took from an old script.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^many of the poppy seeds used are rinsed so the residual alkaloids aren't present but that's not always the case.

In re: to heroin being cheaper... When I was using 6 large pods a day (it cost me ~$5 a day) it took 2 bags ($20) of insufflated chicago heroin to just keep me well for 24 hours. Of course shooting will be much stronger but I think overall pods are most cost-effective.. of course it depends on price and quality of both.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

You just got MERGE'd.

Ever heard of the OD Directory? The search engine? They are your comrades!

 

[Foul Play]

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You are correct, I forgot seeds get washed most of the time.

 

[Levvytation]

PPT would not be a wise way to kick other opiates because it would be hard to titrate a daily dose. You have no way of knowing the content of each pod..some will be strong, some will be weak.

^yep. The best way to get round that problem is to grind your whole batch of pods in one go & mix the powder well. Then take a moderate dose from the batch to guage its strength (it may vary a lot from previous batches, even ones of the same variety from the same supplier)

Store your grounds in an airtight container in the freezer, they'll keep indefinitely.

 

[Bojangles69]

So I've been thinking "withdrawal time" for quite a while now.

Just to get an idea of what its gonna be like this time around, I forced myself into wds (which I havent done in a while). Had a big dose fri, skipped sat and sun. Sunday night I felt it coming on but it was more a tired out of it feeling then kicking legs.
I wound up passing out at 9pm (which is super early for me) woke up at 9am this morning and my ENTIRE BODY was crawling.

This is one thing I particulary cant stand about poppy withdrawls. I can handle pain and achey joints, I can handle stomach problems fine, but its the NERVES I just can't deal with.
I laid in bed shaking from about 9am to 11am and knew I had to get ready for classes so I rolled over, strained some juice I had prepared and took just one cup.

Laid back down and its so amazing how just 1 cup of tea can end a world of hell. Its making me hate this shit more and more the way it just owns my body.
Even today I was coming home from class at 8pm and started getting the "crawling" feeling again, I was driving home literally yelling at myself.
I get crazy like that sometimes lol but it was like "body you are so fvckn stupid, dont you know the different between hot and cold? I turn the heat on cause Im cold and I start sweating.. I turn the heat off and I get cold.. off... on off on."

My whole ride in the car I had to turn the heat on and off at least 20-30 times. So the one cup did hold be over but I guess it really wasn't enough.

Man I love pods. I've already been to a psychward/dual detox one time over this shit, but if I can't do it alone this time I really don't know what to do. And because I have to up the dose every couple of months its just emptying my bank now.. and soon I'm not gonna have the money anymore.
Why does it have to be so friggn hard just to get some bupe? I have no insurance anymore so I gotta get it online.. but gzzz quitting opiates should not be this hard. I've been planning out how I'm gonna stop for the last 2 months and still have no plan at all.

Last thing I was thinking was getting 2 or 300 codienes and using them for a month with a taper but I just don't know. This is the same way I got last time too. For some reason when I stay on pods for longer then 8 or 9 months I start getting depressed. Same crap happened the first time I made it to 14 months and it seems like slowly everyday I just hate my life more and more..

 

[Bojangles69]

"Bojangles69", I feel your pain when you said,

"For some reason when I stay on pods for longer then 8 or 9 months I start getting depressed. Same crap happened the first time I made it to 14 months and it seems like slowly everyday I just hate my life more and more..".

I kind of feel that way at the moment from only a 3 month or so Oxycontin binge, just depressed for no reason. I am feeling that way right now to be specific and it sucks. You have to tell yourself that it's only the drug making you think and feel that way unless you actually do have something to be depressed about.

As for the Poppy Pod withdrawals, hang in there... I been there and it's a tough battle especially how long you been at it. Try to get a hold of Gabapentin AKA Neurontin, it helps tons for me with the depression, anxiety, restless leg syndrome and just straight helps me feel okay while withdrawing. I'm not saying it will COMPLETELY help but it definitely DOES help.

Thanks I really appreciate it!
And no I'm generally a happy person no matter what so I'm sure its the poppies getting to me again. Just not sure why it happens.

The thing that makes it harder is when you withdraw THATS when the depression really is suppose to kick in, so withdrawing when your already depressed just compounds it all and makes it that much more difficult.

I'll def look into the gaba/neuro but in the meantime I'm still making up my mind on what my taper opiate is gonna be.

I know I have a lot of choices just gotta make up my mind and do it I suppose. Good to see you got through it though, seems like a common thing around here (people beating the beast) so it does seem like theres a chance. I have done it before just never did it alone (detox.. yes for pods lol) so obviously a lot more worried this time.

 

[Levvytation]

"body you are so fvckn stupid, dont you know the different between hot and cold? I turn the heat on cause Im cold and I start sweating.. I turn the heat off and I get cold.. off... on off on."

Fuck I hate that, worst part of pod withdrawals for me. Like your inner thermostats gone awol..

Probably heroin or oxy withdrawals are worse? I wouldn't know cos not been there...just codeine & pod addiction for me...but pod withdrawal is nasty enough...

Man I love pods. I've already been to a psychward/dual detox one time over this shit, but if I can't do it alone this time I really don't know what to do. And because I have to up the dose every couple of months its just emptying my bank now.. and soon I'm not gonna have the money anymore.

Its not so bad cutting down on em as you might be dreading, honestly. I've tapered recently, from several large pods a day near enough every day over a six month period, to just a couple of teaspoons of pod powder a day. Done over 3 weeks, hardly any withdrawals. Much easier than I was expecting

And yep, codeine is well helpful when tapering, very. Just a bit short-acting is all...

 

[jake99]

can anyone PM me to tell me a place to order pods

 

[Bojangles69]

Fuck I hate that, worst part of pod withdrawals for me. Like your inner thermostats gone awol..

Probably heroin or oxy withdrawals are worse? I wouldn't know cos not been there...just codeine & pod addiction for me...but pod withdrawal is nasty enough...



Its not so bad cutting down on em as you might be dreading, honestly. I've tapered recently, from several large pods a day near enough every day over a six month period, to just a couple of teaspoons of pod powder a day. Done over 3 weeks, hardly any withdrawals. Much easier than I was expecting

And yep, codeine is well helpful when tapering, very. Just a bit short-acting is all...

WOW 6 months!! That seems like forever haha! So if start now I can be good by summer lol?
I'm just bustn, that really did put a smile on my face just the fact you said "its not so bad as I may be dreading", cause I'm sure I'm dreading it more then I should.

I just don't understand how your will power is so strong that everyday for 6 months you resisted the temptation to splurge. Or maybe thats why it took 6 months in the first place.
Whatever the case you do give me a lot of hope. =]
As long as it can be done is all that matters to me really.

 

[Levvytation]

WOW 6 months!! That seems like forever haha! So if start now I can be good by summer lol?

No, I meant 3 weeks tapering down from a 6 month 'habit'.

I was doing 5 or 6 large pods per day nearly every day over a six month period. Now, after 3 weeks of tapering I've got my intake down to a couple of teaspoons of grounds a day (eaten). Kratom & codeine helped tremendously with it.

 

[Bojangles69]

No, I meant 3 weeks tapering down from a 6 month 'habit'.

I was doing 5 or 6 large pods per day nearly every day over a six month period. Now, after 3 weeks of tapering I've got my intake down to a couple of teaspoons of grounds a day (eaten). Kratom & codeine helped tremendously with it.

Ok great!! I'm so much happier now lol.

You know what I think I just made up my mind.

Because honestly as much as I found Kratom to overstimulate me, one thing it DID do perfectly (when I use to take it) was remove any withdrawals I ever had. I use to use Kratom a lot years ago so its always reserved a sort of "safe spot" in my mind with opiate withdrawals. Not to mention its cheap and easily available.

I know people who have not even tapered off poppies, just jumped straight onto Kratom from their regular pod dose and made it through with almost no wds at all.
But what appeals to me about Kratom (more then codiene - Ill prob pick some up just to have though) is what Kratom does for your MOOD.

Im not sure that a lot of people who use bupe, or a weaker opiate to withdraw are really conscious of the fact that Kratom helps SO MUCH with your mood. It keeps you happy and motivates you during the process.

Thats it, you just made up my mind! Ordering 2 ounces right now!!! I'm happy I waited as long as I did to plan this out. As much as I knew Kratom is great for this I forget how much I actually know about Kratom and the fact I've played around with it before for wds. The only other opiate that makes me cheerful like Kratom is Tram, and theres no way I'm taking tram so thank you.

I'm really psyched about this lol. And to think I was actually considering Loperamide at one point.

 

[Larson0]

Thats it, you just made up my mind! Ordering 2 ounces right now!!! I'm happy I waited as long as I did to plan this out. As much as I knew Kratom is great for this I forget how much I actually know about Kratom and the fact I've played around with it before for wds. The only other opiate that makes me cheerful like Kratom is Tram, and theres no way I'm taking tram so thank you.

I'm really psyched about this lol. And to think I was actually considering Loperamide at one point.

careful now. dont get addicted to kratom.

i would give loperamide and other OTCs a shot before you order kratom. take a couple days and take OTCs and no pods. even 1 or 2 days cold turkey has to be better than tapering for speeding up the process.
take the bare minimum pods if you need to get some sleep or school or whatever. although i personally dont like to have pods in the house if im withdrawaling for an extended period. i end up just getting high.

i personally know if i switched to kratom i would just try to get high with it rather than maintain myself and taper. eventually when withdrawaling you always get those bad days or good days or whatever and talk yourself into getting high, or at least trying.

good luck though. i am in the same boat as you and need to clean it up soon.

for anyone wondering about my post last week about tapering slowly and just skipping days, i didn't really do that. i did however get much higher than i've been in a while for some reason. this past week i've taken the same and even less than my normal dose on different days. tuesday, thursday, friday, and saturday i was completely wasted and didn't up the dose at all. all i can think of is the pods vary that greatly in strength.
does grinding the pods into powder and then letting them sit in a ziplock bag open for a day or 2 affect portency? perhaps it was from me grinding up my dose right before i did it a couple of times?

 

[Levvytation]

Ok great!! I'm so much happier now lol.

You know what I think I just made up my mind.

Because honestly as much as I found Kratom to overstimulate me, one thing it DID do perfectly (when I use to take it) was remove any withdrawals I ever had. I use to use Kratom a lot years ago so its always reserved a sort of "safe spot" in my mind with opiate withdrawals. Not to mention its cheap and easily available.

Good luck! You'll do fine. And yep, its very important to psyche yourself up for these things. You've looked into & considered all the options first, without just jumping into it, wise.

Larson O is right to warn about becoming addicted to kratom of course...but if you're careful it shouldn't be a problem. Withdrawals from kratom are childs play compared to opiates anyway imo.

My advice is to take the kratom in the mornings, that way you'll get the benefits of its stimulant effects to get you through the day, then take either your reduced pod dose or codeine in the evening, that way you'll get a good nights sleep. Sleep deprivation on top of withdrawals makes it all much harder ime...

Also, eat the pod grounds rather than making tea from em...you'll need far less, and the effects last far longer. By eating em, you'll be able to cut your dose of pods down by about half straight away! Chug em down with GFJ or if you prefer orange juice etc. Again, good luck, and keep coming on here for moral support etc

 

[spacefacethebassace]

Larson O is right to warn about becoming addicted to kratom of course...but if you're careful it shouldn't be a problem. Withdrawals from kratom are childs play compared to opiates anyway imo.

On that note, I've been taking 5-15 grams of kratom (occasionally more) everyday, without fail, for about a year. When I left town for Thanksgiving break I purposefully left my supply at home and experienced no withdrawals to speak of. This is purely anecdotal though, so take it for what it's worth.

 

[Bojangles69]

Good luck! You'll do fine. And yep, its very important to psyche yourself up for these things. You've looked into & considered all the options first, without just jumping into it, wise.

Larson O is right to warn about becoming addicted to kratom of course...but if you're careful it shouldn't be a problem. Withdrawals from kratom are childs play compared to opiates anyway imo.

My advice is to take the kratom in the mornings, that way you'll get the benefits of its stimulant effects to get you through the day, then take either your reduced pod dose or codeine in the evening, that way you'll get a good nights sleep. Sleep deprivation on top of withdrawals makes it all much harder ime...

Also, eat the pod grounds rather than making tea from em...you'll need far less, and the effects last far longer. By eating em, you'll be able to cut your dose of pods down by about half straight away! Chug em down with GFJ or if you prefer orange juice etc. Again, good luck, and keep coming on here for moral support etc

I have gotten more great tips from you then I have the entire time I've been here researching, seriously thank you.

I was thinking in my head "if only I could make the pods last a bit longer, it would be easier to cut the dose" (because recently wds have been happening a lot quicker - has actually been on my mind a couple of weeks now) but you literally just outlined what I consider a PERFECT routine.

I have 100 - 30mg codeine coming and 2 ozs Kratom. I'm gonna get one more 50 pod box tommorow, and I think I'm ready to go when the Kratom gets here.
I have tried eating pods once when my blender broke, literally took one bite and started chewing it into a powder so I could swallow (actually did use OJ too) but I gagged ridiculously for about 5 mins and gave up on one bite. I have no idea how anyone chews the pods whole, but I'm sure if I powder it first and mix with something thick I can get it down.

Really havent' been this excited in a while cant thank you enough!

 

[thatbird]

Quick Question - Is Potentiating PST/PPT the same as for all other opiates? I've been going page by page through this thread and have found virtually nothing in regards to that.

Anyone have experience potentiating? Does it work?