[MEGA] Hash/Honey Oil Extraction Thread

[AcidRain]

wow this looks interesting. . might have to try it..

 

[9mmCensor]

last couple days I made a butane tube out of a pill bottle and got about .5gs of honey oil and about 2gs of iso hash. not a bad way to use up half a zip for crappy weed.

 

[thujone]

So you followed the erowid directions except you used a smaller metal tube and this worked only using 6 grams huh? I was thinking that extraction was more for those who have extra material laying around that they were gonna throw out anyway. But the way you put it i might wanna sacrifice a sack and use it to make some honey oil instead.

Anyone else extracted only using a small amount, 5-10 grams?

Do you still use an entire bottle of Butane?

Damn now i gotta do some more reading up

erowid directions? i first saw a design using a stainless steel turkey baster and the drilling seemed pretty unnecessarily difficult... i felt like getting high instead of going out to every store nearby and trying to find a stainless turkey baster so I just sawed off some copper tubing that was left over from home repairs, crimped one end and drilled a slanted hole into the crimped end for the butane nozzle to fit into.

On the other end I strapped up two coffee filters and some dense chicken wire I had laying about and held it on tight with a hoseclamp off my car (good place to find one of varying sizes) then grabbed some oven mitts and began pumping butane into the tube... turned frigid hella fast then I realized butane was leaking out of the crimped end from all the pressure in the tube so I had to pull the can off and bend back the crimped and as far as it would go with a vice-grip...

i had a hell of a time fitting the can nozzle back in since the cold and extra crimping really shrunk the hole so I had to take off the adapter and go with the bare nozzle but it eventually consumed the whole can of Colibri (the only butane you should be using, or any other brand that claims ZERO IMPURITIES, which you can easily test for by spraying it onto a polished mirror and checking if any residue remains... pure butane leaves no residue) and when I took the filters off I saw a bunch of frozen weed with frozen mold spores still clung to it and the excellent THC was all gone into the collecting dish

i did it on the fly and managed to get a top-notch oil (i still prefer that copper prototype over other designs i've tried)... it doesn't require too much fussing over as long as you use a quality metal that won't leach. such as steel or copper (not good if oxidized,) some zero-impurity butane and remember to do it safely (i.e. outdoors; away from flames or sparks, wearing safety goggles, and wearing oven mitts to protect your hands from the extreme endothermic reaction that takes place when the pressurized butane is released from it's can )

 

[Frump420]

Hash/Honey Oil Extraction Thread [merged]

So SWIM decided to try a butane extraction on about 6oz of fan leaf and trim that they had lying around the other day. It came out perfect, yielded wonderful golden goo. Here's where it went a bit wrong. SWIM was running the plate under hot water to try and get rid of what little butane may have been left.

A bunch of water got in the plate, so SWIM set up a hotplate outside with a pot of boiling water, with the BHO plate on top. The water eventually evaporated, but now the oil is like crusty or something. It used to scrape off gooey and easily. Now it's near impossible to scrape and when it finally will, it flakes into little pieces and melts into everything around it. When you get to a spot that still looks thick, it turns black/dark when it accumulates on the razor.

Anyone know what SWIM can do to get back the nice oily texture? It still looks great, just won't scrape well. Here's a pic:

http://www.imagebeaver.com/view.php?mode=gallery&g=344457&photo=1

 

[thujone]

a bit of heat, like from a lighter. that's a nice fair bit of oil though! have fun

 

[Frump420]

a bit of heat, like from a lighter. that's a nice fair bit of oil though! have fun

Yea I guess SWIM's just gonna heat it back up and scrape while its still hot. I was surprised at the yield, because that pic is from the trim that was about to get thrown away. Let's just say SWIM has a LOT more where that came from.

 

[MONSTA!!]

Yea I guess SWIM's just gonna heat it back up and scrape while its still hot. I was surprised at the yield, because that pic is from the trim that was about to get thrown away. Let's just say SWIM has a LOT more where that came from.

Let's just say who gives a shit SWIY. 8)

 

[Frump420]

Well, heated it back up, scraped up nicely.. pretty odd though. It resembles ISO hash oil now. It's denser, very dark, and I can mold it without it melting into my hands. That plate came out to about 1.5g of finished product.

I just popped about a .3 in an empty capsule and ate it.. never done that before. Anyone have experience eating BHO?

 

[clamjuice]

nope cant say i have. But you know now whether it was a waste or not.

 

[Vladicus]

Well, heated it back up, scraped up nicely.. pretty odd though. It resembles ISO hash oil now. It's denser, very dark, and I can mold it without it melting into my hands. That plate came out to about 1.5g of finished product.

I just popped about a .3 in an empty capsule and ate it.. never done that before. Anyone have experience eating BHO?

and what happened?

 

[bingalpaws]

I just popped about a .3 in an empty capsule and ate it.. never done that before. Anyone have experience eating BHO?

nope, but I've gotta ask, why? Why do a butane extract for an extract you'll eat, wouldn't it have been a million times easier to just do green dragon shots? They would've been easier to prepare, and you would've gotten higher per weight of pot used in the process (if consumed orally).

 

[9mmCensor]

I made some honey oil, and used 99% iso to soak up the scraps of it from the plate then made some more hash with it. It works pretty good to get the crusty bits into something more maliable. Reheating will make it more liquid as well, but its gonna end up abit darker.

Green dragon might be easier, but honey oil will be more pure cannaboids and THC, also it lacks the alcohol some people dislike.

.1g honey oil knife hits are the shit though.

 

[bingalpaws]

Oh don't get me wrong, when I woudl do these things back in the day i seldom did green dragons, almost always iso hash or butane hash. But he was talking about consumption, I just can't imagine eating something like homemade honey oil. The yields are crap (well, maybe I just sucked at it...), and oral consumption further reduces your 'bang fer ya buck'. If you're going to use it orally, I'd only opt for green dragon (even over brownies) because the alcohol solution will at least be digested quicker than brownies, and have a waaaay higher surface area compared to a capsule of honey oil. If you were to consume an 1/8 of pot orally, I'd imagine cooking it down to hash, especially sticky honey oil hash, would be one of the least efficient methods you could find (unless maybe you decided to include a wax matrix lol).

 

[9mmCensor]

Oh don't get me wrong, when I woudl do these things back in the day i seldom did green dragons, almost always iso hash or butane hash. But he was talking about consumption, I just can't imagine eating something like homemade honey oil. The yields are crap (well, maybe I just sucked at it...), and oral consumption further reduces your 'bang fer ya buck'. If you're going to use it orally, I'd only opt for green dragon (even over brownies) because the alcohol solution will at least be digested quicker than brownies, and have a waaaay higher surface area compared to a capsule of honey oil. If you were to consume an 1/8 of pot orally, I'd imagine cooking it down to hash, especially sticky honey oil hash, would be one of the least efficient methods you could find (unless maybe you decided to include a wax matrix lol).

Just because your yeild is low in terms of precentage from total original plant matter to final hash product, doesn't mean its an inefficient extraction.

If you take 10 grams, and get 1 gram of 90% pure hash. its a 10% weight yield. and 9% hash yield.
If you take 10 grams, and get 2 grams of 40% pure hash, its a 20% weight yield, but a 8% hash yield.

 

[bingalpaws]

Oh that's not how I meant that to come across, I know yields are crazy low relative to starting material.

I've got a couple questions about your response tho - how do you get different yields on honey oil? I can see slight variances, but when your example demonstrated you could double a potential yield, I'm confused. There's a variance in how much you'll get, but double? (I think you may be referring to how much there was to extract in the first place, something like purple haze has higher yields than mexican brick). If you mean using the same batch of weed, and getting way different yields, how could that be? For instance, on iso extracts you can make a bigger yield by letting it sit there longer, but the bigger yield is useless as you're just letting more chlorophyl/wax/etc dissolve (same thing for green dragon extracts, the cannabinoids are stripped very quickly and the loner it sits, the more just dissolves, but you've got your desired extract very quickly, letting it sit just ads more useless material). When doing a honey oil extract, at least the way I was taught, there's no option of 'letting it sit longer', you do the spray and that's that ----> (that's at least the way I was taught, perhaps there's other techniques. The way we'd do it was essentially:
grind up pot
get metal tube, put panty hose on bottom of tube
rig up a coke bottle's bottom for the top of the metal tube (w/ small hole for butane)
drop pot into tube, layin on panty hose
hold top guide (soda can piece) in place, put on gloves (tube freezes), hold tube, have buddy spray butane through into collection plate

When we did this, there wasn't an option of letting the extract take longer for higher yields (like iso extractions, green dragon, brownies, etc), you just shot the butane through and that was that).





Also, I should add that, despite it definitely being lower yield than your starting material, I question how efficient butane (or iso, for that matter) extracts really are. Maybe I suck at them, but for instance, I would usually do maybe 10-20grams at a time. No matter what my starting material's weight, I always got way less high from the honey oil made, and I'm talking a significant discrepency. I could smoke an ounce's worth of honey oil from pot that I could never ever have smoked even a half ounce from. Was I doing it inefficiently, is my comparison flawed (maybe all the cannabinoids were in my oil after all, but missing the bulk matter makes it easier to smoke tons of it)?


(**obligatory disclaimer - this isn't the safest of methods out there and lots can go wrong, so in no way should my post be used as any sort of guideline or recipe on making honey oil.)

 

[mikemikemike]

Ive never seen this before and am curious. Any idea what the potency of that gooish substance is? How do you normally smoke it?

 

[bingalpaws]

Again, I wasn't intending to give instructions, and I want to further add that when you do it the way I used to, you're essentially holding a bomb in your hand. The butane evaporates insanely fast at room temperature, so you have a combination of high explosives (inside a metal tube) and the tube is freeeeeezing cold, so you need gloves.

Anyways, the potency is unreal. Very strong. I've always found yields to be crap (as I said, I could literally smoke an ounce's worth of this stuff. I only ever made it when i was able to get insanely cheap pot). Potency *should* be somewhere on the order of at least 80% I'd imagine, if not closer to 100%. Smoked any way you'd smoke an insanely sticky lil lump - off a knife, on top of a bowl pack, etc.

Couple more notes - the way I made it, the stuff was like glue. It was a major pita just maneuverin the crap. A tip for that (well, to anyone who uses a kif grinder anyways) - just roll the honey oil ball around in some kif, then it's much easier to handle.

Oh, and the butane needs to be a certain kind or there will be crap in your final product. (another reason to find a real instruction guide somewhere besides this thread) I've made that mistake before, smoked it anyways, and am still alive. But i'm sure it's not good. Only smoked it cuz I couldn't bear throwing it out.

 

[9mmCensor]

Ive never seen this before and am curious. Any idea what the potency of that gooish substance is? How do you normally smoke it?

some of the hash ive made .1 grams felt like smoking a gram in one toke, super stoned. so x10 extract of the weed.

I smoke it in bongs, gravity bongs, or hotknives.

 

[thujone]

merged with the unofficial mega thread...

Oh, and the butane needs to be a certain kind or there will be crap in your final product. (another reason to find a real instruction guide somewhere besides this thread) I've made that mistake before, smoked it anyways, and am still alive. But i'm sure it's not good. Only smoked it cuz I couldn't bear throwing it out.

testing for impurities are addressed on the second page of this thread

 

[bingalpaws]

killer, thanx

you need 99% period there's no way around that. half assing something gives you half-assed results.... go buy some 99% or get some butane from a gas station its really not that hard.

Yes, there is a way around it. I always used 70% and it worked just fine. The 30% water will just let more stuff dissolve - you'll have more finished product, but a lower potency. You don't lose anything though, when you use pure iso you just get a lower yield with higher potency.