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[MEGA] Hash/Honey Oil Extraction Thread

bingalpaws said:
Yes, there is a way around it. I always used 70% and it worked just fine. The 30% water will just let more stuff dissolve - you'll have more finished product, but a lower potency. You don't lose anything though, when you use pure iso you just get a lower yield with higher potency.
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water is a polar substance and will not affect the nonpolar thc (or the chlorophyll as well for that matter.) In other words, any amount of water will not affect the product at all and will only mean a longer wait for it to all evaporate.

Hash made with water (bubble hash) is accomplished with very cold (read: dense) water that facilitates the trichomes to brush off the plant matter and float on the surface of the water, but it still does not DISSOLVE anything as water is polar and doesn't react with thc.
 
I make BHO on a weekly basis. I use a stainless steel turkey baster. If you put the pan that youre dumpng the tane in another pan with hot water itll evap the butane much faster. After that i continue to purge the oil by putting the 2 pans on the stove and turning the burner on medium for about 10 minutes to keep the water hot around the dish. I am fortunate to have the best device ever invented for bho

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If you want to know more about BHO go here

https://secure.eu-server.net/~wwwtoke/forums/showthread.php4?t=45
 
Don't get any of that shit; use good old hexane to extract the thc, you can also pick up some nitrious oxide while you're at it ;)
 
thujone said:
water is a polar substance and will not affect the nonpolar thc (or the chlorophyll as well for that matter.) In other words, any amount of water will not affect the product at all and will only mean a longer wait for it to all evaporate.
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Then why are 70% ISO extracts always darkgreen to black whereas butane and 99% ISO extracts are a yellow-gold-amber colour?
The only way to get a really good extract with 70% ISO is the "quickwash" method. Soak the grinded bud in the solvent for 2 minutes max. Longer than that and much more chlorophyll will dissolve compared to THC. Sure you'll be wasting some THC but if you really want it all you could do a second, longer extract. And then maybe eat that nasty black goo. Because compared to the wonderful golden oil you can get, it's pretty much worthless.
 
I was gonna say the same (may have already in this thread), but figured he's the cannabis mod so I'm probably wrong lol.

Junglistvibe, I've *always* noticed the same as you when using 70% iso - I do a very quick wash, and the longer I leave it in, the darker it gets and the higher my (weaker potency) yield is.
 
Junglistvibe said:
Then why are 70% ISO extracts always darkgreen to black whereas butane and 99% ISO extracts are a yellow-gold-amber colour?
The only way to get a really good extract with 70% ISO is the "quickwash" method.
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chlorophyll won't dissolve in water... which is why the water in a vase doesn't turn green when there are plant stems sitting in it. like you say, 70% is still enough solvent content to QWISO well with, but try rubbing your fingers in that hash and washing it off with water; it won't work because water won't dissolve nonpolar compounds

that's a sweet oil pipe (bubbler?) launchpad :)
 
thujone said:
chlorophyll won't dissolve in water... which is why the water in a vase doesn't turn green when there are plant stems sitting in it. like you say, 70% is still enough solvent content to QWISO well with, but try rubbing your fingers in that hash and washing it off with water; it won't work because water won't dissolve nonpolar compounds

that's a sweet oil pipe (bubbler?) launchpad :)
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Yea its basically a little oil vape bubbler The metal pad is titanium The titanium makes the oil taste the best even better than glass I dont know why. one or two .003 hits out of this thing will have u soaring even if the oil is from shwag.
 
Junglistvibe said:
Then why are 70% ISO extracts always darkgreen to black whereas butane and 99% ISO extracts are a yellow-gold-amber colour?
The only way to get a really good extract with 70% ISO is the "quickwash" method. Soak the grinded bud in the solvent for 2 minutes max. Longer than that and much more chlorophyll will dissolve compared to THC. Sure you'll be wasting some THC but if you really want it all you could do a second, longer extract. And then maybe eat that nasty black goo. Because compared to the wonderful golden oil you can get, it's pretty much worthless.
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Not all iso extraction are black the key to qwiso is not washing it longer than about 30 secs tops thats all u need. Also put the alcohol in the freezer first I make shiloads of BHO and alot of times its darker because of the material I use. What you start with is what will depend on what your oil will look like period Shwag= amost gurantee dark oil. Use some nice dank and your oil will be anywhere from almost milky white to redish amber to yellowish green It really varies on strand a great deal
 
thujone said:
chlorophyll won't dissolve in water... which is why the water in a vase doesn't turn green when there are plant stems sitting in it. like you say, 70% is still enough solvent content to QWISO well with, but try rubbing your fingers in that hash and washing it off with water; it won't work because water won't dissolve nonpolar compounds

that's a sweet oil pipe (bubbler?) launchpad :)
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Well chlorophyll isn't nonpolar because then butane would extract it. There has to be something watersoluble that's getting extracted and giving the oil a bad green taste and a black/green colour. I've always thought it was chlorophyll. And I'm pretty sure it is...

LaUnChPaD said:
Not all iso extraction are black the key to qwiso is not washing it longer than about 30 secs tops thats all u need.
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Yeah that was basically what I was saying :)
 
Junglistvibe said:
Well chlorophyll isn't nonpolar because then butane would extract it. There has to be something watersoluble that's getting extracted and giving the oil a bad green taste and a black/green colour. I've always thought it was chlorophyll. And I'm pretty sure it is...
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i'm not really a great chemist but i would suppose that the reason butane doesn't extract chlorophyll is because it has very low solubility regardless of solvent in such extremely low temperatures. i may be wrong, but if you want concrete proof of chlorophyll not being very soluble in water then like I already said just examine the water from a vase or shake some leaves up in water for a few days and then you can see for yourself instead of us arguing about it

or perhaps butane simply becomes more polar than non-polar during an endothermic reaction
 
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LaUnChPaD said:
I make BHO on a weekly basis. I use a stainless steel turkey baster. If you put the pan that youre dumpng the tane in another pan with hot water itll evap the butane much faster. After that i continue to purge the oil by putting the 2 pans on the stove and turning the burner on medium for about 10 minutes to keep the water hot around the dish. I am fortunate to have the best device ever invented for bho

DSC00067.jpg





If you want to know more about BHO go here

https://secure.eu-server.net/~wwwtoke/forums/showthread.php4?t=45
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oh my god. u has an unobtainium bong. I AM SOOOO JEALOUS.
 
LaUnChPaD said:
Dont be jealous Ill share u must be on TC no?
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yeah, but I mostly lurk their, I basically read the hash forums like a bible.

Someday I hope to get a GonG unobtainium attachment for my bong.
 
9mmCensor said:
yeah, but I mostly lurk their, I basically read the hash forums like a bible.

Someday I hope to get a GonG unobtainium attachment for my bong.
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All those dudes are major hash heads and def know there shit when it comes to oil.
 
i remember back in the 80's a 'friend' was making this. he was using either as the solvent, and then heating it to quickly flash it off. he was running a big operation in his back yard, maybe moving 100+ good sized bottles a day.

it all ended when he burned down his house. moral of the story, do it outside, with lots of ventilation, a strong breeze, and in the rain. and don't use either.
 
^^^^^^


I only use butane , and I drip it in a pan thats sitting in a pan of almost boiling water. The Plate is quite warm, so the butane evaporates in a minute or less.

EDIT: Never attempt to make butane oil high. I think it's very important to be sober when doing this extraction. Butane isn't something to handle without 100% concentration a few people have died making oil.
 
I'm gonna second that. I would also suggest outside use. When we did it we were indoors, and had 2 people doing the process. we had the plate on water, but not hot water. And we made sure to have a fan in the window sucking out the fumes (the plate was right next to the fan sucking out, and also had a supplementary fan blowing across the plate/product). We also checked all pilot lights, etc that could've been an issue. Of all the little pot experiments I've ever done, i was the least comfortable performing this one.
 
Are there? Yes.


Will it be something you can do if you're asking about it here? Almost certainly not.


Any of these extractions are just ripping ALL (or almost all?) of the cannabinoids out of pot, and are not selectively ripping out only THC (one of hte many cannabinoids in your bud). I honestly have never even seen a recipe for that, but it'd likely involve some serious chemical work to isolate THC out of a hash product or from buds.

I can almost promise you that it'll be a 1000 times easier to just find pure THC through those pharma pills that are THC. Also, ask yourself why you want pure THC, because if you think you're going to be getting a better product, I think the general concensus is that a real cannabinoid mix (whether pot or hash) is preferable to pure THC.
 
WWWWAIT!!!!

Someone can step in here and correct me, because I'm only half sure on this, but are the trichomes on pot pure THC, or are they a mix of cannabinoids? Because if trichomes are pure THC, then just get yourself a screen or a grinder with a screen, and then you'll have your product. I am leaning towards the trichomes containing more than pure THC, but someone else in this thread will surely know.
And even if it is a mix of cannabinoids, I'm assuming you didn't post as accurately as you intended - if you're just looking for 'pot powder' then the trichomes would do that. I'm just going out a limb and assuming that you don't truly desire a pure THC preparation, but rather just a potent powder/crystal.
 
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