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SoHiAllTheTheTime
Why the arrogance. Can I ask you, do you believe it is possible that mayby someone has openly looked at all the facts, thought about all of the arguments to the best of there ability, and just does not see any validity in christianity?. You act as If it all must be so obvious. Which is bizarre considering your talking about an opinion that is based upon faith not knowledge.

Also can I ask, do you say you know christianity is right or believe that christianity is right. Please explain your answer.
 
Sohi:

You are an idiot. My whole discussion of suicide as the unforgivable sin FOLLOWED my statement "I believe the one except is suicide" and was thus inherently limited in that I was just conjecturing off what I thought might have been the unforgivable sin. What, you want me to preface each sentence in the same paragraph calling it "what I believe is the one unforgivable sin" because you are going to look for any nitpicky, stupid-ass way to read the later sentences separate from the first sentence and then jump up and down like an idiot shouting "Hey, you said it was a fact that suicide was the one unforgivable sin! You're dumb! You're dumb!"

Geez, get a clue.

By the way, I just did a google search on suicide and unforgivable sin, and there is a ton of discussion on whether suicide is an unforgivable sin, including many references to how a lot of Christians mistakenly call suicide the unforgivable sin. Which supports my claim that I have heard suicide called the unforgivable sin, even if the people I heard saying this were wrong. Apparently it is a very common misconception. Yeah, I'm so dumb I made a mistake that many Christians make on a regular basis. Whoop-di-doo.

~psychoblast~
 
scottahit said:
SoHiAllTheTheTime
Why the arrogance.
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Because me and PB have had more of these discussions than you can even imagine, and i have seen him at work too many times to try and be civil with him at times. I respect his knowledge and views on most things he writes, but the way he twists things and tries t ocome off like he knows about Christianity pisses me off. Because, for those who dont know any better - they may believe his garbage (referring specifically to Christianity and the bible)! I wont let him get away with it, which is why i give him an attitude. This isnt our first discussion by any means. :)
 
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PB, the first part of your last post was utter nonsnese and backpeddling...We will leave it at that as far as i am concerned, and yes i admit i was being nitpicky - with you especially.

The second part i do agree with you on, that there are a lot of people who think just like you do, and a lot ofthem are christians, but those christians arent basing their views off of what the bible claims, they are basing it off of what seems logical (at first thought), just like you did. :) I have no problems admitting that to you, you are right on that account. The rest - way off dude. :\
 
How can you two argue logic vs faith? ?!?!

Christianity is built on faith. You then use logic to reconfirm that faith.

PB is placing logic before faith, in that first you logically prove or agree with something, then you put faith into your conclusion.

Quick question SoHi, but which version/interpretation of the Bible is correct? I'm sure there are a myriad of interpretations, but are any of them correct? Is there a such thing as a correct interpretation?
 
Thats easy, his or his church's interpretation. Thought you would of figured that one. From his answers I'm guessing thats a middle of the road baptist slightly fundamentalist but not completely anti intellectual denomination or something similar. Of Course most of these beliefs have only been around for 100 years. (yes I know baptists have been around a lot longer but your modern type of baptist with its embrace of dispensationalism interpretation style of bible exegesis is only 100 years old.)
 
Why doesn't God do more miracles to alleviate pain?

This question was brought up in my philosophy class and it stumped the professor (he brought it up because we were discussing Hume).

Anyways...

Why doesn't God do more miracles to alleviate pain?

I really don't know, all I can say is, He has a reason.
 
maybe because he is sleeping or a huge cloud is in front of his face and he can't really see right now so he is trying to get this huge cloud out of his way

Which reminds me I am going to put on my brand new socks *jumps*
 
He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
He's got the answers to ease my curiosity
He dreamed a god up and called it christianity
Your god is dead and no one cares
If there is a hell I will see you there
He flexed his muscles to keep his flock of sheep in line
He made a virus that would kill off all the swine
His perfect kingdom of killing, suffering and pain
Demands devotion atrocities done in his name
Your god is dead and no one cares
Drowning in his own hypocrisy
And if there is a hell I will see you there
Burning with your god in humility
Will you die for this?
 
see you you there
see you
see you there
do you believe in miracles
not really
god is dead
your god is dead
no one cares
and no one cares
drowning in his own hypocrisy
see you you there
see
i'll see you there
you there
god is dead
 
Sylvan:

In my opinion this is the most damning evidence against the idea of a Christian model god.

If I understand their theology correctly their god has three attributes (among others)...

1. Omniscience
2. Omnipotence
3. Benevolence

An all knowing God is cognizant of suffering in the world and has the power to put a stop to it but doesn't - thus making Him not very nice and nixing attribute number three. Theologians go on about free will and mysterious ways but it seems like equivocation to me, especially considering all the evil around us.

Ozymandias
 
Ah, why blame God? We create this world, though god created the fundementals we build society, economics, class systems, and the conditions in which starvation and war reigns. Putting aside the need for free will, in this world we not only make decisions that effect others but everyday we see the results of those decisions. Just cause we cant be fucked making a better world, it aint down to God. If you see pain as such a problem then consider what you yourself have done to help solve the problem. Your not powerless.
 
Ozymandias0811 said:

In my opinion this is the most damning evidence against the idea of a Christian model god.

If I understand their theology correctly their god has three attributes (among others)...

1. Omniscience
2. Omnipotence
3. Benevolence

An all knowing God is cognizant of suffering in the world and has the power to put a stop to it but doesn't - thus making Him not very nice and nixing attribute number three. Theologians go on about free will and mysterious ways but it seems like equivocation to me, especially considering all the evil around us.
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This is exactly's Hume's argument we were goign over in class and my professor, a priest, said it was the best evidence and that even he had trouble with it at times.

I think Void has an excellent answer, but I just woke up, am hungry, and have to study for a mid-term, so I will try to respond more thouroughly later.
 
God already creates miracles everyday but people just look for bigger and bigger things - He says dont expect or look for miracles, they are not going to be done to order you know.

If one day we all woke up and there was world peace adn you had a wad of cash magically in your bank account - would you put that down to the love and will of God - a miracle? pain alleviated? Or would you put that down to humans and a stroke of luck???
 
life hurts-pain indicates life & stimulates growth

Why don't youl cry about it? That might get his attention. ;)

n.b. For the miracle, see void's post.


IMO Pain sensation is the price you pay for thinking about it.
 
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Ah, why blame God? We create this world, though god created the fundementals we build society, economics, class systems, and the conditions in which starvation and war reigns. Putting aside the need for free will, in this world we not only make decisions that effect others but everyday we see the results of those decisions. Just cause we cant be fucked making a better world, it aint down to God. If you see pain as such a problem then consider what you yourself have done to help solve the problem. Your not powerless.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be saying that humans get the world that they deserve because of the choices that they make and I tend to agree. But is everyone responsible? Right this second there is a child somewhere in the world being abused. What sort of deity is this that knows and could stop it but chooses not too? He/She/It must want that child to suffer, no?

Ozymandias
 
I know this isnt the right answer at all ok? dont quote me on this, but... certainly in school when one person is bad and the teacher keeps everyone behind as punishment, sure makes them all behave....???

giggle - I am sorry - God is not like that and I know it and I love and worship Him and He and I are friends.

just a flippant remark
 
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