[MEGA] God v.2

[MynameisnotDeja]

I was talking with an 96 year old scientist who was in a wheel chair for the last twenty years. He told me, of his inventions, of his articles and books he has written, and how refreshing it was to be able to talk to someone who understood, since where he is at the moment he has a lot of people with dementia around him, and unfortunately he has some form as well.
He told me with anger, how his mother forced him all his childhood to go to church every weekend, and how he came to hate it. It made no sense to him as a scientist. No rationality behind it he said. No inner reality he insisted when I inquired if at least he could see it as a tool to go within. Non existant he argued....though with a smile. When I asked him where he derives his inventions and his writings, he looked at me perplexed. He had no answer! I asked him if his fantacy had any play in it, and if his inner life he insisted does not exist, layed a hand in it. He stood there looking at me. He came to reflect for a while, and though he tried to deny it over and over there was none, he came to agree, that what I was saying had reasoning in it, and yes, he agreed, there is an inner reality, where he draws from his fantacy to at the moment write about the green creatures from out of space.
He came to agree after my persistence to think, could the weekend persistence of being guided to religion, have perhaps given him the tool, with which to go within, where he exercised his phantasy? He had to think again and again, to come to say, I think that what you say, may after all have a validity. I had not being able to see any value at all of the religious irrational thinking before. So perhaps, I should stop being so angry at my mother for that.

Great little story, thanks.

 

[lostNfound]

The discussion between you two has ended here. It's no longer a discussionas I see.

Agree to disagree and move on maybe%)

 

[Enlitx]

Great little story, thanks.

Lol, you must really hold a low bar for literature. That story consisted of person A - rationalist , person B - "But where does imagination come from", person A - "You are right, I am going to change 96 years of thinking because you asked a question that was probably asked 1000 times in my life"

No witty punchline or sudden turn in story.

I mean, cmon.

 

[lostNfound]

Seriously, where do you get off?

Must you have the last word ever time!

The threads been derailed enough. Back on topic please.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

The discussion between you two has ended here. It's no longer a discussionas I see.

Agree to disagree and move on maybe%)

If you're referring to me and Enlitx, no worries, I can't go around in circles with him anymore. I don't like that sort of negativity. He'll be ignored from my end from now on. I spent massive amounts of my energy trying to get him to see what I mean and if he doesn't want to, that's his deal. I want people to respect each others views but if they simply refuse to, then I have nothing else to say.

I'm thankful for this discussion though, in the end. It gave me some good ideas for my writing. So thanks Enlitx, for that..

And yes, back on topic. :D

 

[Enlitx]

Seriously, where do you get off?

Must you have the last word ever time!

The threads been derailed enough. Back on topic please.

So you blame me when both of us have been doing the exact same thing?

Furthermore, you tell me what to do since you have issued the proclamation that I must cease my discussion.

Where do you get off?

 

[lostNfound]

There was no blame initially, I directed a comment at you both.
You chose to find a new reason to retaliate with a personal attack disagreeing why someone would appreciate another person sharing a story.
The discussion, ceased when both of you had nowhere further to go, you were only headbutting each other in the end.

I get off here actually.
Bye.


edit - if you have further issues nopt related to the topic you wish to discuss furher please use the pm function, thanks.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

On topic, a very good read which I feel describes my views on spirituality almost perfectly is the book "Eat Pray Love", I'm almost finished with it now and it's amazing. (cant remember if I mentioned it in here yet or not)

 

[lostNfound]

I have also read that, if you enjoy that you may like The Monk who sold his Fearrari.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

Reading this book has been pretty amazing. This woman is a lot like me. The way she experienced awakening kundalini and described it very much like I would.. That alone made me connect to the book so much. Plus she's funny and sees things in such a similar way. I swear, reading this book I have to laugh hard and yell out "YEs! Oh my god yes!" every few pages when she points out some remarkable truth in just the way I would.

Thanks for the suggestion, I will check that out. Always looking for new stuff to read.

 

[LivingInTheMoment]

Actually I err MDAO-because when I posted a response to Enlitx's comment about some of the ideas in here being bad-responing to him that perhaps the idea of HIM being in P&S is bad, I was told to try not to fan the flame! I hope you can see MDAO that it did not need fanning the flame enlarges when you don't put it off early!!!!!

Every time Enlitx comes in a thread, prediction is right, he is in there just for the sake of ruining the thread. He has nothing else to project and get his anger in more useful posititve ways, so he comes in the P&S to post his smack comments.
If you do not believe in something don't try to attack it for the ones who believe out of personal experience, with the only stupid tool of"prove it with [[ science". We have repeated again and again that science is not the tool for this area, but over and over, his need for attention and desperation for involvement whichever way it comes, pulls him in here.

Please stop responding to his rediculous comments-cut out any response, he has proven he will not stop, his negativity is relentless!

Enlitx-Get off your high horse cowboy!!

Be more useful and go give some advise in the drug forums. Since you have said you have given drugs up, then good, go give some advise to the ones who need it. Your involvement is not wanted here!

Having said all that, I apologize in advance to the mods.


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******Quote:Enlitx: (In response to my comments but the answer directed to someone else who gave a positive response![/B)

[[[ Lol, you must really hold a low bar for literature. That story consisted of person A - rationalist , person B - "But where does imagination come from", person A - "You are right, I am going to change 96 years of thinking because you asked a question that was probably asked 1000 times in my life"
No witty punchline or sudden turn in story.]]] <<No, JUST your usual misconception of things, that don't agree with your misleading thinking!! I did not place all the conversation that took place which validated what i am saying!!!!!!!!!!>>

I mean, cmon.]]]

>>>It was in response to his inventions that the conversation took place with him, and how he used his imagination to make his inventions+his writings of both scientific and science fiction.<<<

Now you are undermining and undervaluing a 96 year old scientist.]]] I must remember to tell him of your comments next time I see him, I am absolutely certain he will find you amusing-at the very least!!

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Lost Nfound^^ As you say yourself, please don't come into a decent thread just to attack someone whom you don't like, ignore them.

I don't think enlitx is all bad, just has very different points of view to what may be the majority, if their posts seem to come across aggressively try to ignore it and if you find nothing the person posts worthy of valuable discussion do not respond, however, you may find something worthy to respond to once you get beyond what you don't like.

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*****^^^^^ Lost&Found=It was the paragraph above to which I reacted towards, which he was in referance to me, but my Internet usage locked me out and had not time to add it!

He was offensive in an underhanded way when he commented this: That story consisted of person A - rationalist , person B - "But where does imagination come from"

He is well known for putting people down when they don't fit into his equation of "Science does not =phylosophical discussion".
He also does it so, in a cunning and underhanded way as well!

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[lostNfound]

^^ As you say yourself, please don't come into a decent thread just to attack someone whom you don't like, ignore them.

I don't think enlitx is all bad, just has very different points of view to what may be the majority, if their posts seem to come across aggressively try to ignore it and if you find nothing the person posts worthy of valuable discussion do not respond, however, you may find something worthy to respond to once you get beyond what you don't like.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

I agree, there is no reason to respond like that Livinginthemoment. All this has gone on long enough, we have tried for 12+pages in multiple threads to reason with this person. If he just doesn't get it, he just doesn't get it. There's nothing we can do.

Do you know how to use the ignore feature? You can put him on ignore if you want.

 

[LivingInTheMoment]

^^ As you say yourself, please don't come into a decent thread just to attack someone whom you don't like, ignore them.

I don't think enlitx is all bad, just has very different points of view to what may be the majority, if their posts seem to come across aggressively try to ignore it and if you find nothing the person posts worthy of valuable discussion do not respond, however, you may find something worthy to respond to once you get beyond what you don't like.

^^ It was the last paragraph I reacted towards, but my Internet usage locked me out and had not time to add it!
He was offensive in an underhanded way when he commented this: That story consisted of person A - rationalist ,(THE OLD SCIENTIST) person B - "But where does imagination come from" (ME)

He is well known for putting people down when they don't fit into his equation of "Science does not =philosophy/discussion", because only this way he appears to look good by demeaning others and trying to get the upper hand.

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I will not put him on ignore, when he tries to put me down indirectly or not, with his scummy behavior! He attacks, he gets attacked.
......and no I don't think he is always bad-surely he is good when he is asleep!

Others read his comments, which are attempts to discredit someone!!!

Are you suggesting to lay down and let him walk all over our self esteem and run us down, and attempts to discredit us?

I also studied and work in scientific environment-it does not affect my philosophical aspects like him-he appears unbalanced to me!

I don't go off like that, unless someone attacks me-underhandedly or not and this one does it as a job!!
Especially when people don't know him and his pathetic attitude, and reading his degrading remarks and insinuations-or unable to see through these, and take what he says as IF true of the person he attempts to discredit!!!!
It has been going on continuously-endlessly!!
WHEN is enough-enough? One starts to become sensitized after a while, even if they are not to start with!

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Thanks

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

He attacks, he gets attacked.

Hm... that's not a very productive attitude, IMO, but to each their own. I just don't see the point of arguing with him anymore. It's clearly not going anywhere.

 

[LivingInTheMoment]

Hm... that's not a very productive attitude, IMO, but to each their own. I just don't see the point of arguing with him anymore. It's clearly not going anywhere.

^^Hey, that is imposed upon people who have to continuously deal with such moronic behavior which has no end! Someone owes to stop him, even if that means to do just that! Attack him back!!

You have done that yourself many times over-you obviously refrained just recently, because you were advised to do so! This person is relentless! Ignoring him does not do it, he becomes more arrogant and is worse! He won't go away either!

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

Stop him? We can't stop him. All we can do is ignore him until he goes away.

 

[L2R]

I wasn't talking about premonitions or dreams. You are confident that inexplicable healing has been explained thoroughly? What are your credentials?

I said "looked at thoroughly".

I am guessing you don't know how telekinesis is performed because no one knows, it doesen't happen.

Why are you getting so hot and bothered over something you are merely guessing about? Witnessed phenomena trump each and every of your wild guesses. Wild absurd guesses which is what your entire argument is made up of. You assume you know of our experiences and you've demonstrated your complete ignorance on the topic throughout this thread.

Just like people swore they saw bigfoot, people swore they saw aliens over area 51, and people will swear things like this happen. anecdotal evidence is the worst kind. If it is happening as often as people on this board suggest, it should be pretty easy to confirm it somehow. I'm afraid we are going to have to chalk it up to wishful thinking.

I was there. It happened before my waking eyes.

I haven't considered this because the mechanism for telekinesis doesen't exist.. How could you possibly say that something might counteract it if you don't have a clue how it works in the first place? That is like me saying that my happy energy is going to counterat the sad force in Tokyo today, a completely meaningless and arbitrary statement.

Hardly. It's just greek to you since you have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes, educated people tend to find better explanations than superstition.

nice. how old are you?

I did drop the past discussion.

This is the same discussion.

No, because it is a lot more likely that a person is crazy or experienced a random event rather than aoutlandish claims being true.

Quite the contrary, all of your dismissals are outlandish since you have not even pursued any investigative process prior to leaping to your conclusions.

One subjective story hardly counts for anything. I understand why you so desperately cling to the idea that a personal story is good evidence, but it just doesen't make it so.

No one here is trying to prove anything to you. How dumb do you have to be to still be to think this?

They might believe they actually saw something, but that doesen't mean they did.

Of course they might not have seen anything. They also might have.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

No one here is trying to prove anything to you. How dumb do you have to be to still be to think this?

That's the difference with people like us. We trust ourselves enough to not need to prove anything to ourselves or others. Our experiences are the proof. A personal story might not be good evidence for someone who's never had such an experience, but that's their problem. It's all I need.

 

[L2R]

^well i, personally, need more than just my own experiences. i get the "more" i need when i talk to others and find how common these things can be. It may not make complete sense in ways, but it makes far more sense than to discount it entirely.